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7/16/12 6:31 AM
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So your admitting that guys getting paid 8k by UFC don't get much by Sponsers.


and a person working at a retail store makes more than a UFC fighter.
7/16/12 6:33 AM
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Macedawgg -  So you agree Blah-apologist, that sponsors HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UFC?

Ian earned his shot on merit, yes?
No the UFC is huge for sponsors when did I say otherwise? Phone Post
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UGCTT_BlahBreh - Oh shit u made over 80k in 1 night? That's nuts. Considering Ian said his sponsors pay him monthly. You must be a genius <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Nah I can work a regular job at a retail store and make more than the guys getting 8k or 6k a fight....in a year.


Just to put it into perspective.
I'm putting it into perspective, but just like any job you are given an opportunity IF..... accepted, If you perform you go up, if not you go down. <br><br>They aren't obligated to pay these guys the extra money they dish out in bonus's... They do it cause they performed well. just like any job. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



ORLY?


The point is that the UFC is worth around $2 billion....Lorenzo said that in a New York Times articles, thats how much the company will sell for right now.



Yet they can't pay a guy more than 8k....at least to make more than a person working in retail.

Sorry but thats a joke....
7/16/12 6:35 AM
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Macedawgg -  So you agree Blah-apologist, that sponsors HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UFC?

Ian earned his shot on merit, yes?
No the UFC is huge for sponsors when did I say otherwise? Phone Post

 What do you mean the UFC is huge for sponsors? 

That isn't money out of the UFC's pocket at all. 

Do you agree that Ian earned his shot in a main event based on merit? 

If so, the UFC gets NO CREDIT for what Ian made in sponsors--right?

Do the New York Yankees pay Derek Jeter less because he has greater "sponsor" opportunities?
7/16/12 6:36 AM
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DeusEx - So your admitting that guys getting paid 8k by UFC don't get much by Sponsers.


and a person working at a retail store makes more than a UFC fighter.
Jesus are u trolling?? I said OPERTUNITY !! Just like a normal job except they get an opertinity to make it to the big show. From Facebook to prelim, from prelim to main card, just like a retail store Exept better, if you kill it at sales selling shoes your not making 80k in 1 day Phone Post
7/16/12 6:38 AM
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Macedawgg -  So you agree Blah-apologist, that sponsors HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UFC?

Ian earned his shot on merit, yes?
No the UFC is huge for sponsors when did I say otherwise? Phone Post

 What do you mean the UFC is huge for sponsors? 

That isn't money out of the UFC's pocket at all. 

Do you agree that Ian earned his shot in a main event based on merit? 

If so, the UFC gets NO CREDIT for what Ian made in sponsors--right?

Do the New York Yankees pay Derek Jeter less because he has greater "sponsor" opportunities?
Doesn't have to be out of the UFC's pocket, but as sad as it is nobody gives a shit unless ur in the UFC, when you are sponsors will pay u way more cause the UFC has all the exposure. Phone Post
7/16/12 6:40 AM
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DeusEx - So your admitting that guys getting paid 8k by UFC don't get much by Sponsers.


and a person working at a retail store makes more than a UFC fighter.
Jesus are u trolling?? I said OPERTUNITY !! Just like a normal job except they get an opertinity to make it to the big show. From Facebook to prelim, from prelim to main card, just like a retail store Exept better, if you kill it at sales selling shoes your not making 80k in 1 day <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


They are already in the UFC....According to Dana you are the "best" if your in the UFC.


Yet a person working in Retail can make more money a year.


When the UFC is a $2 billion company....you see nothing wrong with that?

Nobody is say saying that a guy in prelims should do 80k for a fight.


All that is being said is that 8k is way too little.....How about something decent, where they can dedicate their full time to training?

Sorry is a joke.
7/16/12 6:41 AM
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Macedawgg -  So you agree Blah-apologist, that sponsors HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UFC?

Ian earned his shot on merit, yes?
No the UFC is huge for sponsors when did I say otherwise? Phone Post

 What do you mean the UFC is huge for sponsors? 

That isn't money out of the UFC's pocket at all. 

Do you agree that Ian earned his shot in a main event based on merit? 

If so, the UFC gets NO CREDIT for what Ian made in sponsors--right?

Do the New York Yankees pay Derek Jeter less because he has greater "sponsor" opportunities?
Doesn't have to be out of the UFC's pocket, but as sad as it is nobody gives a shit unless ur in the UFC, when you are sponsors will pay u way more cause the UFC has all the exposure. Phone Post

 You didn't answer the question Blah--if it is not out of the UFC's pocket, and Ian earned the shot on MERIT, why does the UFC get credit for that component of pay?

Don't include Ian's sponsors in your calculation of UFC pay--they aren't paying that amount--at all.  Ian got that amount because he merited a main event bout. . . NOTHING the UFC did, NOTHING the UFC paid--you agree?

Does Jeter get paid less because he is with the NY Yankees? 

7/16/12 6:42 AM
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I think Ian can beat any flyweight in the world including DJ as he did In the first fight, but i think we all know he got
Screwed by the athletic commission and lost his chance the second fight. So ya he deserves millions imo. So does every fighter that talented. But the facts are facts, sponsors don't give a fuck if ur not in the UFC they aren't paying ur monthly bills. Phone Post
7/16/12 6:44 AM
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Macedawgg -  So you agree Blah-apologist, that sponsors HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UFC?

Ian earned his shot on merit, yes?
No the UFC is huge for sponsors when did I say otherwise? Phone Post

 What do you mean the UFC is huge for sponsors? 

That isn't money out of the UFC's pocket at all. 

Do you agree that Ian earned his shot in a main event based on merit? 

If so, the UFC gets NO CREDIT for what Ian made in sponsors--right?

Do the New York Yankees pay Derek Jeter less because he has greater "sponsor" opportunities?
Doesn't have to be out of the UFC's pocket, but as sad as it is nobody gives a shit unless ur in the UFC, when you are sponsors will pay u way more cause the UFC has all the exposure. Phone Post

 You didn't answer the question Blah--if it is not out of the UFC's pocket, and Ian earned the shot on MERIT, why does the UFC get credit for that component of pay?

Don't include Ian's sponsors in your calculation of UFC pay--they aren't paying that amount--at all.  Ian got that amount because he merited a main event bout. . . NOTHING the UFC did, NOTHING the UFC paid--you agree?

Does Jeter get paid less because he is with the NY Yankees? 

Ian said himself the UFC paid em an extra 25k on his last loss for no reason. For performing. What are you asking me? Phone Post
7/16/12 6:45 AM
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 Correct--they paid him an extra 25k. 

So, given Ian's own posts, the UFC paid him at most 33k--do you agree?
7/16/12 6:50 AM
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UGCTT_BlahBreh - Oh shit u made over 80k in 1 night? That's nuts. Considering Ian said his sponsors pay him monthly. You must be a genius <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Nah I can work a regular job at a retail store and make more than the guys getting 8k or 6k a fight....in a year.


Just to put it into perspective.
I'm putting it into perspective, but just like any job you are given an opportunity IF..... accepted, If you perform you go up, if not you go down. <br><br>They aren't obligated to pay these guys the extra money they dish out in bonus's... They do it cause they performed well. just like any job. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



ORLY?


The point is that the UFC is worth around $2 billion....Lorenzo said that in a New York Times articles, thats how much the company will sell for right now.



Yet they can't pay a guy more than 8k....at least to make more than a person working in retail.

Sorry but thats a joke....
Look how much the UFC has grown, it'll only get better man I remember seeing guys getting 800$ now u see nothing less than 6,000. It's a growing sport being ran by smart businessman that aren't gonna dish out 8,000$ to 100's of fighters that they don't know are worth marketing yet. Phone Post
7/16/12 6:52 AM
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Macedawgg -  Correct--they paid him an extra 25k. 

So, given Ian's own posts, the UFC paid him at most 33k--do you agree?
34k I agree with for his last fight I agree with that why? Whats the point? If he won he woulda got over 40 from the UFC than the UFC made em a main event which almost doubles his sponsor money.. What are you getting at? That's a shit ton of cash where I'm from Phone Post
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And I live in orange county lol Phone Post
7/16/12 6:55 AM
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UGCTT_BlahBreh - Oh shit u made over 80k in 1 night? That's nuts. Considering Ian said his sponsors pay him monthly. You must be a genius <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Nah I can work a regular job at a retail store and make more than the guys getting 8k or 6k a fight....in a year.


Just to put it into perspective.
I'm putting it into perspective, but just like any job you are given an opportunity IF..... accepted, If you perform you go up, if not you go down. <br><br>They aren't obligated to pay these guys the extra money they dish out in bonus's... They do it cause they performed well. just like any job. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



ORLY?


The point is that the UFC is worth around $2 billion....Lorenzo said that in a New York Times articles, thats how much the company will sell for right now.



Yet they can't pay a guy more than 8k....at least to make more than a person working in retail.

Sorry but thats a joke....
Look how much the UFC has grown, it'll only get better man I remember seeing guys getting 800$ now u see nothing less than 6,000. It's a growing sport being ran by smart businessman that aren't gonna dish out 8,000$ to 100's of fighters that they don't know are worth marketing yet. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



Is not like they have contracts that the UFC can't cut when ever they want.


All Im saying is pay decent......which they can afford to do.


I know the UFC uses the money to expand their business mostly instead of them just holding it for themselves...but sorry that doesn't cut it.

7/16/12 6:56 AM
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Macedawgg -  Correct--they paid him an extra 25k. 

So, given Ian's own posts, the UFC paid him at most 33k--do you agree?
34k I agree with for his last fight I agree with that why? Whats the point? If he won he woulda got over 40 from the UFC than the UFC made em a main event which almost doubles his sponsor money.. What are you getting at? That's a shit ton of cash where I'm from Phone Post

 That's all I wanted--for a fair discussion, all HAVE to be discussing the same thing.

Ian says he got over 80k, but clearly, from his own posts, the MAJORITY of that is from sponsors. 

If the UFC is involved in a legitimate sporting competition promotion, they should not get ANY credit for sponor pay---and it should not be included, at all, in the discussion.  In fact, the UFC itself is getting PAID by these very same sponsors on many occasions. . . pursuant to the sponsor "tax."
7/16/12 6:58 AM
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It has to cut it or nobody gets paid cause there won't be a UFC if they don't keep growing it man. It's not rocket science they pay a lot more than anyone else will and with a UFC contract comes huge oppertunity to make a lot more. Phone Post
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Macedawgg -  Correct--they paid him an extra 25k. 

So, given Ian's own posts, the UFC paid him at most 33k--do you agree?
34k I agree with for his last fight I agree with that why? Whats the point? If he won he woulda got over 40 from the UFC than the UFC made em a main event which almost doubles his sponsor money.. What are you getting at? That's a shit ton of cash where I'm from Phone Post

 That's all I wanted--for a fair discussion, all HAVE to be discussing the same thing.

Ian says he got over 80k, but clearly, from his own posts, the MAJORITY of that is from sponsors. 

If the UFC is involved in a legitimate sporting competition promotion, they should not get ANY credit for sponor pay---and it should not be included, at all, in the discussion.  In fact, the UFC itself is getting PAID by these very same sponsors on many occasions. . . pursuant to the sponsor "tax."
How is the majority from sponsors when the UFC paid him 50,000 plus 12k on top of that of the 80k? Phone Post
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He got FOTN plus his win bonus on 6/6 that means almost all of it came from the UFC Phone Post
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I think u mis-read his posts. Phone Post
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UGCTT_BlahBreh - It has to cut it or nobody gets paid cause there won't be a UFC if they don't keep growing it man. It's not rocket science they pay a lot more than anyone else will and with a UFC contract comes huge oppertunity to make a lot more. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

lol....you really think if they paid fighters a decent ammount of money.


Lets say 18k per fight...so 3 fights a year would be 54k....They will go out of business...lol.


Keep in mind, they could fire the guys they don't want.







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UGCTT_UncleCreepy - they pay you to do your job, i did my job twice people were entertained and i got paid a lot more than what i was supposed to get paid...

i signed a contract to fight for a certain amount of money and they paid me almost 10x the amount i signed for based off my performance, they didnt have too? dana just did.

 So assuming 6/6, and he lost, he was paid $31k. 

His first fight, a draw, and I am assuming that same 6/6 (that you did, and he was paid an additional 6k anyway). 

That is a total of 43k between the two fights.  

He also, in another post, mentions that he is getting 5k plus a month in sponsors. . .

I don't think I misread his posts at all. 
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UGCTT_UncleCreepy - they pay you to do your job, i did my job twice people were entertained and i got paid a lot more than what i was supposed to get paid...

i signed a contract to fight for a certain amount of money and they paid me almost 10x the amount i signed for based off my performance, they didnt have too? dana just did.

 So assuming 6/6, and he lost, he was paid $31k. 

His first fight, a draw, and I am assuming that same 6/6 (that you did, and he was paid an additional 6k anyway). 

That is a total of 43k between the two fights.  

He also, in another post, mentions that he is getting 5k plus a month in sponsors. . .

I don't think I misread his posts at all. 
Your not taking about his first fight that he made over 80k man ur taking about the fight everyone said me made 9k and he cleared it up by saying he made a lot more than 9k he got a 25k bonus Phone Post
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nobones - Being "worth $2 billion" isn't the same as having $2 billion on cash for payroll. A company usually has a fraction of what they are worth as available funds for payroll. The Zuffa/Forza runs ~34 cards per year between Strikeforce and UFC. They have enormous production, marketing and coordination and logistics budgets. They have a staff of nearly 200 employees in 5 offices and they have to finance these operations on a day to day basis...can you imagine what they pay in hotels and airfare in a given month? So they have to cover the published fighter purses with the revenue from the gate. And while they publish low numbers, several UFC fighters like Matt Brown, Uncle Creepy, Scott McCorkle, Jacob Volkmann have stated that they get anywhere between 50-100% above the published payout from the UFC before OTN bonuses. Also, the low published payouts allow the UFC to take chances on guys. Would the UFC have taken a chance on Jon Jones to come in as a last minute substitution if they had to pay him $50k up front? Probably not. Phone Post
Someone actually gets it.


Lol at Scott McCorkle though hahahah Phone Post
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 Ok--clear it up for me.

If his contract was 6/6, how did he make over 80k?

Did they bonus him 72k?

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