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7/16/12 7:14 AM
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nobones - Being "worth $2 billion" isn't the same as having $2 billion on cash for payroll. A company usually has a fraction of what they are worth as available funds for payroll. The Zuffa/Forza runs ~34 cards per year between Strikeforce and UFC. They have enormous production, marketing and coordination and logistics budgets. They have a staff of nearly 200 employees in 5 offices and they have to finance these operations on a day to day basis...can you imagine what they pay in hotels and airfare in a given month? So they have to cover the published fighter purses with the revenue from the gate. And while they publish low numbers, several UFC fighters like Matt Brown, Uncle Creepy, Scott McCorkle, Jacob Volkmann have stated that they get anywhere between 50-100% above the published payout from the UFC before OTN bonuses. Also, the low published payouts allow the UFC to take chances on guys. Would the UFC have taken a chance on Jon Jones to come in as a last minute substitution if they had to pay him $50k up front? Probably not. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Orly?


I was just saying that Zuffa is a very big company.

Nobody is saying to pay somebody 50k....They have a lot of expensives since they are trying to expand, I understand but IMO they should slow down and pay those 6k fighters better.

So you heard 4 stories from pros...How about all the other UFC employees?
7/16/12 7:15 AM
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Between his last 2 fights Ian got over 62k from the UFC on the first and over 34k from the UFC 2nd fight. Not including sponsors I believe. I think that's pretty accurate Phone Post
7/16/12 7:17 AM
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Macedawgg -  Ok--clear it up for me.

If his contract was 6/6, how did he make over 80k?

Did they bonus him 72k?
Come on dude it's not rocket science, 12k 50k almost 20k in sponsors.. Re read please Phone Post
7/16/12 7:17 AM
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 So between the two fights, you are saying the UFC paid Ian 96k?

Even though Ian mentions 5k a month in sponsors?

Ian mentions only a 25k bonus?

Ian, where are you at?

Clearly, you can clear this up?

What did you get paid for your first fight (show/win/bonus) and your second fight (show/win/bonus)?
7/16/12 7:18 AM
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Majority of his money is UFC 62k>20k Phone Post
7/16/12 7:20 AM
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Macedawgg -  So between the two fights, you are saying the UFC paid Ian 96k?

Even though Ian mentions 5k a month in sponsors?

Ian mentions only a 25k bonus?

Ian, where are you at?

Clearly, you can clear this up?

What did you get paid for your first fight (show/win/bonus) and your second fight (show/win/bonus)?
Are you dumb man? Look the UFC paid em ( without sponsors at allllll) first fight 62k second fight 34k. And I'm pretty sure he's asleep it's 4:20 on the dot in cali Phone Post
7/16/12 7:21 AM
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And he's technically 0-1-1 since he got robbed so they are paying him nicely. I think his point is that the UFC pays if u come to fight. That's it. Phone Post
7/16/12 7:24 AM
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 Yes, I am clearly dumb!

I am pretty sure this thread will still be available tomorrow though--and will be available for Ian to read.

 
7/16/12 7:25 AM
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Macedawgg - 
UGCTT_BlahBreh -  Incase you don't know how sponsors work when u sign a contract with a sponsor they pay u more to be on prelims, more to be on the main card, even more to be co main event and than if ur the main event they pay you a lot more.. It's how contracts work its negotiated between sponsor and agent Phone Post

 Or in other words, it HAS NOTHING TO DO with the UFC?

 LOL

Ask the guys who fight in Bellator or Tachi Palace fights whether sponsorships have NOTHING TO DO with the UFC.  It may not come out of the UFC's pocket, but you can be damn sure that sponsors have a different pay scale for guys who fight in the UFC and guys who fight in other MMA promotions.  For instance, I am sure Ian's sponsorship income changed dramatically when he entered the UFC. 

You can rage all you want about the UFC having 'nothing' to do with sponsorship money, but the reality is that the UFC brand and exposure have a huge impact on sponsor pay.
7/16/12 7:28 AM
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UGCTT_BlahBreh -  Incase you don't know how sponsors work when u sign a contract with a sponsor they pay u more to be on prelims, more to be on the main card, even more to be co main event and than if ur the main event they pay you a lot more.. It's how contracts work its negotiated between sponsor and agent Phone Post

 Or in other words, it HAS NOTHING TO DO with the UFC?

 LOL

Ask the guys who fight in Bellator or Tachi Palace fights whether sponsorships have NOTHING TO DO with the UFC.  It may not come out of the UFC's pocket, but you can be damn sure that sponsors have a different pay scale for guys who fight in the UFC and guys who fight in other MMA promotions.  For instance, I am sure Ian's sponsorship income changed dramatically when he entered the UFC. 

You can rage all you want about the UFC having 'nothing' to do with sponsorship money, but the reality is that the UFC brand and exposure have a huge impact on sponsor pay.

 I don't dispute that UFC garner more pay in terms of sponsorships.

But, if this is a sport, isn't that only because the UFC promotes the better talent?

Thus, again, it has NOTHING to do with the UFC if a fighter obtains a title shot, you agree? 

Nothing to do with UFC if a fighter is in a main event?

Or, are you going to say this is pure manipulation?  I don't think you are going to say that. . .
7/16/12 7:32 AM
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Macedawgg -  So between the two fights, you are saying the UFC paid Ian 96k?

Even though Ian mentions 5k a month in sponsors?

Ian mentions only a 25k bonus?

Ian, where are you at?

Clearly, you can clear this up?

What did you get paid for your first fight (show/win/bonus) and your second fight (show/win/bonus)?

 You are forgetting his FOTN bonus from the first fight.

6K show + 6K win + 50K FOTN = 62K before sponsors
7/16/12 7:34 AM
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 That could in fact be true, if Ian obtained 2 bonuses instead of one.

You didn't answer my questions Steve.
7/16/12 7:38 AM
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UGCTT_BlahBreh -  Incase you don't know how sponsors work when u sign a contract with a sponsor they pay u more to be on prelims, more to be on the main card, even more to be co main event and than if ur the main event they pay you a lot more.. It's how contracts work its negotiated between sponsor and agent Phone Post

 Or in other words, it HAS NOTHING TO DO with the UFC?

 LOL

Ask the guys who fight in Bellator or Tachi Palace fights whether sponsorships have NOTHING TO DO with the UFC.  It may not come out of the UFC's pocket, but you can be damn sure that sponsors have a different pay scale for guys who fight in the UFC and guys who fight in other MMA promotions.  For instance, I am sure Ian's sponsorship income changed dramatically when he entered the UFC. 

You can rage all you want about the UFC having 'nothing' to do with sponsorship money, but the reality is that the UFC brand and exposure have a huge impact on sponsor pay.

 I don't dispute that UFC garner more pay in terms of sponsorships.

But, if this is a sport, isn't that only because the UFC promotes the better talent?

Thus, again, it has NOTHING to do with the UFC if a fighter obtains a title shot, you agree? 

Nothing to do with UFC if a fighter is in a main event?

Or, are you going to say this is pure manipulation?  I don't think you are going to say that. . .

 C'mon man.

You are smarter than this.

The UFC brand, in and of itself, draws a ton of eyeballs.  Just like the NFL brand draws a ton of eyeballs or the NBA brand draws a ton of eyeballs.  Plenty of 'pure sports' are brand driven. 

Your earlier example of Derek Jeter is a great example of this.  Jeter makes a SHITLOAD more money in sponsorships/endorsements because he plays for the biggest, most history-laden organization in pro baseball.  He wouldn't be making anywhere near the same amount of money if he were playing for the Kansas City Royals or the Cincinnati Reds.  Does that money come out of the Yankees pocket?  Nope.  But they sure as hell play a huge role in Jeter being able to secure those endorsement deals.
7/16/12 7:40 AM
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 AH, you haven't answered Steve.

Do the Yankees pay Jeter less because Jeter has sponsor opportunities?

Do the Yankees get "compensation credit" because Jeter signs outside endorsements? 

Yes, I believe you are smarter than this. 

Why is MMA somehow different?
7/16/12 7:44 AM
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Pumped to see your next fight. Def a future UFC champ and one of the most Down to earth fighters I have ever seen. Means a lot to us fans to have u come on and just shoot the shit and give us inside info on stuff. Phone Post
7/16/12 7:49 AM
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7/16/12 7:54 AM
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all u guys complaining about fighter pay need a fuckin job / reality check. the ufc didn't get to where they are now by paying every fighter a fuck load of $$$. first they gotta prove themselves (like creepy did). then everything else falls into place.

mmalogic, open your eyes, you blind fuckin wombat. ufc fighters that perform well, get looked after. it's common sense. stfu or go pester ronald mcDonald and give him shit for not paying his counter staff enough. it will either give uncle creepy a break or get u a pay rise! win win... Phone Post
7/16/12 8:06 AM
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Do the Yankees pay Jeter less because Jeter has sponsor opportunities?


Nope.

Jeter is the beneficiary of MLB being around for 100 years and having the time to build their brand and work out their labor practices.  The Yankees sure as hell paid guys like Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford, and Mickey Mantle less than their modern counterparts.


Do the Yankees get "compensation credit" because Jeter signs outside endorsements? 


If by 'compensation credit', you are asking if the Yankees get paid by any sponsors who appear on their broadcasts ... damn right they do.  MMA is WAY more lenient than the stick-and-ball sports when it comes to letting the athletes rep their sponsors DURING the competition.  The stick-and-ball sports put them in homogenized uniforms and fine them for straying from the norm. 

The Yankees don't get any of Jeter's sponsorship money for things he does outside of their broadcasts, same as the UFC.  UFC only gets a piece of those sponsors who appear in their cage.  If a sponsor wants to work with a fighter outside the cage, the UFC doesn't get any of that money.
7/16/12 8:09 AM
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UGCTT_UncleCreepy -
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UGCTT_UncleCreepy - they pay you to do your job, i did my job twice people were entertained and i got paid a lot more than what i was supposed to get paid...

i signed a contract to fight for a certain amount of money and they paid me almost 10x the amount i signed for based off my performance, they didnt have too? dana just did.

 Would you have fought any worse if you didnt make 10 times what was on your contract?  based on your past great fights at tachi palace, the answer is likely a resounding NO...

Which supports my argument that the current pay structure is largely unproductive and wastefull in how it's currently distributed.



so if you worked a telemarketing job in a cubicle and made 0 dials you should get paid or promoted?

no, same with my job, i get paid more based off my performance, i understand this when i sign a contract and the UFC has changed my life with the way they pay me and i thought i would share that with you.
I'd like to add something that many posters complain about.

Gsp gets paid a ppv % because of his status. Gsp is one of the very top fighters in the world. Gsp is not paid to perform, all he has to do is win, he does not need to entertain to continue to make the huge pay days.
This has lead to many posters saying that he fights safe and does not go for finishes, fotn bonuses don't matter to him, he's getting paid well over 2/3rds of his payout just for showing up.

So I would have to say that everyone who complains about how gsp has fought since becoming champion has to very strongly disagree with your thoughts on the pay structure.

Anyone who has ever worked in commission sales as creepy suggests knows you work harder when you know where your money is coming from, performance. Phone Post
7/16/12 8:37 AM
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UGCTT_UncleCreepy - they pay you to do your job, i did my job twice people were entertained and i got paid a lot more than what i was supposed to get paid...

i signed a contract to fight for a certain amount of money and they paid me almost 10x the amount i signed for based off my performance, they didnt have too? dana just did.
I think you have an extremely positive attitude towards pay, and i am unsure if the average fighter feels the same as you do. But the way i see it is that some fans think that fighters should be paid more as do some fighters.
The difference being that the fighter signs that deal and agrees to the money. And as you have said the UFC does go out of their way to look after fighters that put on a show, when they are not obliged to
do so.

But to be honest Ian you are one of a
kind in the way you conduct yourself towards the UFC and your fans. Thank you for your honesty! Phone Post
7/16/12 8:47 AM
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Man, you're always so godamn classy Creepy. It must get tedious having to argue with people who often accuse you of covering for Zuffa, a bizarre allegation at its best, and inform you what a fighter or UFC employee has to go through lol Reminds me how everyone accused McCorkle of faking being happy with the UFC

But it's sweet to see a fighter tied in enough with the UG, that you'll come in and help directly calm down fans.Keep kicking ass
7/16/12 8:50 AM
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Please save us from ourselves, mmalogic
7/16/12 8:52 AM
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 LOL @ a fighter posting that he's happy w/ his pay and people arguing with him over it. wtf, you guys will argue about anything, won't you?
7/16/12 8:53 AM
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Wow, this thread was pretty cool until mmalogic and his two other screen names decided to crap all over it
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MMALOGIC should STFU and STFD.

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