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7/17/12 9:08 AM
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"Yes, that's correct. I feel bad. This sport's gonna so far in such a short amount of time. I hope this doesn't become an epidemic, you know? What type of message are we trying to send to the youths that are watching our sport? If you're doing performance enhancing drugs, this is the same thing we've been trying to stop from happening. All of a sudden, in the last six months, it's legal to do?"

"You're allowed to be six times over an average? You're gonna be six times over a normal person? Let's play on an even field. I mean, since day one that I've been competing, I've always been on an even field. Why, all of a sudden, can a fighter be higher, six times the amount of an average person? I think we're sending the wrong message out to fans and to the kids who wanna be UFC fighters and mixed martial arts fighters. If they're not able to compete on an even field, now they're able to use some kind of supplement to enhance them to become on a higher level. They're able to push themselves, able to recover faster, able to push themselves harder during the fight.

Now, what happens to their mind? What happens to their body? Now I look at it, I look at the way Forrest reacted after the fight, now I know why he reacted the way he did. So, it's just too bad that this epidemic is starting to happen."

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7/17/12 9:13 AM
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7/17/12 9:17 AM
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Says a man who's head looks like someone that's taken large amounts of HGH
7/17/12 9:29 AM
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Tito looked sauced to the gills IMO in his last fight, in fact, I don't ever recall him looking that big for a fight ever. It's really impressive that he can achieve such results naturally, especially at his age. Props to Tito.<br /><br />
7/17/12 9:30 AM
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Hired Gun - Says a man who's head looks like someone that's taken large amounts of HGH
You sound like a jackass. This guy wants the sport cleaned up. Im sure he could get a prescription for trt too, but he's not a cheater. Phone Post
7/17/12 9:44 AM
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 Tito bitches more than anyone all the time lol.  TRT most of the time is for people who have juiced in the past, there are def cases where men naturally have low test but lets not kid ourselves.  
7/17/12 9:55 AM
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Hired Gun - Says a man who's head looks like someone that's taken large amounts of HGH
You sound like a jackass. This guy wants the sport cleaned up. Im sure he could get a prescription for trt too, but he's not a cheater. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Last time I checked TRT is LEGAL but if anyone needs to go on it, it's Tito maybe it could help him could win a fight.
7/17/12 10:03 AM
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Hired Gun - Says a man who's head looks like someone that's taken large amounts of HGH
You sound like a jackass. This guy wants the sport cleaned up. Im sure he could get a prescription for trt too, but he's not a cheater.

Last time I checked TRT is LEGAL but if anyone needs to go on it, it's Tito maybe it could help him could win a fight.

OR maybe he has some integrity and thinks no matter what you call it, it's still juicing and CHEATING.
7/17/12 10:17 AM
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7/17/12 10:18 AM
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Didn't Tito have a quote a few years back saying something to the extent of "If you not cheating, you're not trying hard enough" ?
7/17/12 10:24 AM
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Tito's massive head begs to differ. THEY DONT TEST FOR HGH FOLKS
7/17/12 10:32 AM
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Hired Gun - Says a man who's head looks like someone that's taken large amounts of HGH
You sound like a jackass. This guy wants the sport cleaned up. Im sure he could get a prescription for trt too, but he's not a cheater. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Last time I checked TRT is LEGAL but if anyone needs to go on it, it's Tito maybe it could help him could win a fight.

You meant to write illegal i assume,last time i checked you have to have a fucking good medical reason and a excemption to use it.
7/17/12 10:50 AM
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Hired Gun - Says a man who's head looks like someone that's taken large amounts of HGH
You sound like a jackass. This guy wants the sport cleaned up. Im sure he could get a prescription for trt too, but he's not a cheater. Phone Post

I wouldnt rule it out, there's been speculation of his hgh use for a long time.  Tito's prev fights with Forrest, Forrest was the larger man and in this last fight Tito was much larger than Forrest.  Tito can say whatever he wants but it's hard for me to believe that he's been 100% his entire career. 
7/17/12 10:56 AM
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Hired Gun - Says a man who's head looks like someone that's taken large amounts of HGH
You sound like a jackass. This guy wants the sport cleaned up. Im sure he could get a prescription for trt too, but he's not a cheater. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Last time I checked TRT is LEGAL but if anyone needs to go on it, it's Tito maybe it could help him could win a fight.

You meant to write illegal i assume,last time i checked you have to have a fucking good medical reason and a excemption to use it.

Ya because no one can just walk into a Dr's office and get a script when they want one. He or pretty much anyone else can have a script for TRT in a NY Minute if they want it.
7/17/12 10:56 AM
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If this was chuck Liddell or randy saying this people would take this seriously. But people hate on Tito so much they will laugh it off. But he has a point. Their should be no exceptions. And if their r exceptions then allow it legal and let everyone juice. Either way make it an even playing field. Phone Post
7/17/12 10:57 AM
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I wouldnt rule it out, there's been speculation of his hgh use for a long time.  Tito's prev fights with Forrest, Forrest was the larger man and in this last fight Tito was much larger than Forrest.  Tito can say whatever he wants but it's hard for me to believe that he's been 100% his entire career. 


well, the positive test is the measure which Tito must be measured. No positive tests have occurred, but why does he not deserve the benefit of the doubt?


Is there something wrong with him speaking his mind on this issue? He's 100% right by the way.
7/17/12 11:15 AM
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tito wouldn't have said anything about it if he won the fight..

and i was at the fight at thought forest was crazy for running out, because i thought forest won
7/17/12 11:27 AM
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I wouldnt rule it out, there's been speculation of his hgh use for a long time.  Tito's prev fights with Forrest, Forrest was the larger man and in this last fight Tito was much larger than Forrest.  Tito can say whatever he wants but it's hard for me to believe that he's been 100% his entire career. 


well, the positive test is the measure which Tito must be measured. No positive tests have occurred, but why does he not deserve the benefit of the doubt?


Is there something wrong with him speaking his mind on this issue? He's 100% right by the way.

 I dont care if he's right!  If I could never hear Tito speak his mind again it would be too soon!  Tito doesnt get the benefit of the doubt because I think he's less than honest about his HGH/Test use. His head and cheecks look like someone who has using HGH and Test for a long time.  Let proffesionals speak their mind on this matter, IMO this is a lame attempt by to Tito to spearhead an anti TRT campaign to stay in the spotlight.
7/17/12 11:29 AM
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TRT for primary hypogonadism = good.
TRT for functional hypogonadism = bad.
7/17/12 11:32 AM
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I've been saying this for a while, he's 100% correct Dana doesn't give a shit about cleaning up the sport, he just doesn't wanna lose a main event. Trt is cheating in my book. Phone Post
7/17/12 11:36 AM
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making horrendous excuses after every time he loses a fight is a terrible standard to set also.
7/17/12 11:37 AM
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I'm sure Dana wants the fighters to be smart enough to test clean.

7/17/12 11:41 AM
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mrdeezy - making horrendous excuses after every time he loses a fight is a terrible standard to set also.

 THIS

Some people we've just heard too much from. 
7/17/12 11:46 AM
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Tito is right. TRT in MMA is a fucking farce, and so is the 6:1 ratio. It's institutionalized doping.

It could be done real simple.

*Announce to everybody that from a set date, let's say a year from now, should any fighter be caught above the limits, that's a wrap for his career in ZUFFA.

*Set the limit to 2:1

*Demand that all fighters have a 2 hr timeslot every week, where they declare their exact whereabouts, allowing for a 3rd party anti-doping agency to visit and test them. Failure to make themselves available for testing will result in immediate release from contract and banning for so and so long time. The anti-doping guys don't necessarily show up every week, but they might, and that's the point.

So now, because of the limit, because of the semi-regular tests, and because of the consequence, nobody will cheat, because the risk is too high, and so are the stakes, and you now have no more doping in MMA.

They can do this, they just choose not to. The promoters love doping, as long as their guys don't get caught.
7/17/12 11:50 AM
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Motivated Penn - Tito is right. TRT in MMA is a fucking farce, and so is the 6:1 ratio. It's institutionalized doping.

It could be done real simple.

*Announce to everybody that from a set date, let's say a year from now, should any fighter be caught above the limits, that's a wrap for his career in ZUFFA.

*Set the limit to 2:1

*Demand that all fighters have a 2 hr timeslot every week, where they declare their exact whereabouts, allowing for a 3rd party anti-doping agency to visit and test them. Failure to make themselves available for testing will result in immediate release from contract and banning for so and so long time. The anti-doping guys don't necessarily show up every week, but they might, and that's the point.

So now, because of the limit, because of the semi-regular tests, and because of the consequence, nobody will cheat, because the risk is too high, and so are the stakes, and you now have no more doping in MMA.

They can do this, they just choose not to. The promoters love doping, as long as their guys don't get caught.


lol - if there's only a 2 hour time slot they can be tested anyone can pass any current t est. give me 30 minutes warning and i can pass any dope test.

how about - follow the wada (not vada, wada) code, instead of making up a watered down and easily beatable protocol (something that already exists).

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