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7/25/12 1:51 PM
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http://www.brazenapparel.com/2012/07/25/eddie-alvarez-agrees-to-one-more-bellator-fight-ufc-will-be-calling-next/

Looks like Bellator is losing another star to the UFC. Phone Post
7/25/12 2:07 PM
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Unexpected. I figured after that Lorenzo tweet Alvarez was a sure thing for the UFC. Didn't expect to see him fight in Bellator again, ohh well. I'm sure he will be in the UFC before we know it. Phone Post
7/25/12 2:08 PM
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UGCTT_Fraser_Finlay -  Unexpected. I figured after that Lorenzo tweet Alvarez was a sure thing for the UFC. Didn't expect to see him fight in Bellator again, ohh well. I'm sure he will be in the UFC before we know it. Phone Post
Um, he had one fight left on his contract.  No getting around that without some huge legal hassle.
 
7/25/12 2:14 PM
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UGCTT_Fraser_Finlay -  Unexpected. I figured after that Lorenzo tweet Alvarez was a sure thing for the UFC. Didn't expect to see him fight in Bellator again, ohh well. I'm sure he will be in the UFC before we know it. Phone Post
Um, he had one fight left on his contract.  No getting around that without some huge legal hassle.
 
Ohh, didn't realise that...

My bad. Phone Post
7/25/12 2:40 PM
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He has a fight left on his deal, why not make another 100k real quick before your contract ends, actually this will make his contract end sooner, think he woudl have had to wait another month or two for the contract to expire.

So he gets another fight, makes money and then his contract is up.

Yes its a risk, a loss will kill his deal, UFC aint ponying up big money if he loses to a guy like Pitbull or Cupcake or Tirloni and Bellator can get him on the cheap.

But I wonder if he wins does he go to the UFC right away which would allow Bellator to match or does he wait the 3 months so Bellator cant match?

I expect to see him in the UFC end of the year/early next year.
7/25/12 3:15 PM
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Chris27 - He has a fight left on his deal, why not make another 100k real quick before your contract ends, actually this will make his contract end sooner, think he woudl have had to wait another month or two for the contract to expire.

So he gets another fight, makes money and then his contract is up.

Yes its a risk, a loss will kill his deal, UFC aint ponying up big money if he loses to a guy like Pitbull or Cupcake or Tirloni and Bellator can get him on the cheap.

But I wonder if he wins does he go to the UFC right away which would allow Bellator to match or does he wait the 3 months so Bellator cant match?

I expect to see him in the UFC end of the year/early next year.


You're right that a loss would cost him $ I'm sure, but there'd be no shame in taking an L from one of those guys. Could happen.
7/25/12 3:20 PM
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Definitely shouldn't let the fight go to the judges under any circumstances
7/25/12 9:40 PM
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UFC will sign him even if he loses. He won't get the same deal, but he'll get picked up.

He's better than Melendez IMO. So is Chandler. I want to see the Alvarez vs Chandler rematch in the UFC. That fight was epic.
7/25/12 10:44 PM
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What a stand-up guy, agreeing to fulfill the final fight of the contract he signed.
7/25/12 10:51 PM
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stonepony - UFC will sign him even if he loses. He won't get the same deal, but he'll get picked up.

He's better than Melendez IMO. So is Chandler. I want to see the Alvarez vs Chandler rematch in the UFC. That fight was epic.


That fight WAS epic. It was definitely one of the best fights in the last few years.
7/25/12 11:26 PM
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Chris27 - He has a fight left on his deal, why not make another 100k real quick before your contract ends, actually this will make his contract end sooner, think he woudl have had to wait another month or two for the contract to expire.

So he gets another fight, makes money and then his contract is up.

Yes its a risk, a loss will kill his deal, UFC aint ponying up big money if he loses to a guy like Pitbull or Cupcake or Tirloni and Bellator can get him on the cheap.

But I wonder if he wins does he go to the UFC right away which would allow Bellator to match or does he wait the 3 months so Bellator cant match?

I expect to see him in the UFC end of the year/early next year.



If he wins, he waits the 3 months...

Although risky- it could pay off very good as well
7/25/12 11:47 PM
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 Zuffa essentially renders bellators tape library useless with signing hector and alvarez... if spike was developing a clip show like "ufc unleashed" ... without your 2 biggest stars it's essentially useless.  at the end of the day you're promoting ufc talent.

That's another message zuffa wants to send viacom...   that they will be spending money to promote and develop talent for the ufc.

this is gonna be an interesting war coming up...  on the one hand zuffa cant counterprogram spike to death like they've done everybody else because they dont have a strong enough platform with fuel and fx isnt gonna play that game....   Bellator is also signing guys to 4 year contracts so it's gonna be difficult to drive up costs and steal talent as aggressively as zuffa has done to others.

On the other hand... if viacom was really gonna spend the money neccessary to really compete with the UFC they would have just re-signed the ufc to begin with.
7/26/12 12:13 AM
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MMALOGIC -  Zuffa essentially renders bellators tape library useless with signing hector and alvarez... if spike was developing a clip show like "ufc unleashed" ... without your 2 biggest stars it's essentially useless.  at the end of the day you're promoting ufc talent.

That's another message zuffa wants to send viacom...   that they will be spending money to promote and develop talent for the ufc.

this is gonna be an interesting war coming up...  on the one hand zuffa cant counterprogram spike to death like they've done everybody else because they dont have a strong enough platform with fuel and fx isnt gonna play that game....   Bellator is also signing guys to 4 year contracts so it's gonna be difficult to drive up costs and steal talent as aggressively as zuffa has done to others.

On the other hand... if viacom was really gonna spend the money neccessary to really compete with the UFC they would have just re-signed the ufc to begin with.
Define "stealing talent"? I think it's just something you say because you like the sound of it. They should have told Lombard and Alvarez that they're not welcome in the UFC? They're signing fighters who want to fight in the big show, how is that stealing?

Hopefully Bellator does the smart thing and keeps a friendly working relationship with the UFC. They're not going to eclipse the UFC, they're not going to have the better fighters. But what they can do is be the premier junior-varsity division. "this is gonna be an interesting war coming up", they're stupid if they try to make it a war.
7/26/12 12:16 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see Eddie finally come to the UFC.

Thing is, after the Chandler fight, I lost some of that excitement. Yes, losses can happen, but a loss in Bellator to anyone before coming to the UFC brings the anticipation level down a few notches.
7/26/12 12:34 AM
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And, those 4 year contracts are pretty unethical IMO.
7/26/12 12:40 AM
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^Very.

Because Bellator was just starting, they wanted to establish top talent, and keep them to put their name on the map. But now, no fighter who has high hopes for the UFC is going to sign one of those, let alone think twice about saying "No thanks" to Bellator.

They'll never be legitimate competition for the UFC, and there's no shame in that. But business tactics like that are what's going to pull them under. That Champion Clause was also a load of bull.
7/26/12 12:45 AM
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7/26/12 1:02 AM
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yellow wrkahlc - ^Very.

Because Bellator was just starting, they wanted to establish top talent, and keep them to put their name on the map. But now, no fighter who has high hopes for the UFC is going to sign one of those, let alone think twice about saying "No thanks" to Bellator.

They'll never be legitimate competition for the UFC, and there's no shame in that. But business tactics like that are what's going to pull them under. That Champion Clause was also a load of bull.
How is it a load of bull? If someone isn't comfortable with that clause, they don't have to sign. But once they do, it's only right that they honor their contract. Phone Post
7/26/12 1:02 AM
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yellow wrkahlc - ^Very.

Because Bellator was just starting, they wanted to establish top talent, and keep them to put their name on the map. But now, no fighter who has high hopes for the UFC is going to sign one of those, let alone think twice about saying "No thanks" to Bellator.

They'll never be legitimate competition for the UFC, and there's no shame in that. But business tactics like that are what's going to pull them under. That Champion Clause was also a load of bull.
They would be smart to streamline the transition process. To normalize it. Make it easier for fighters to move up to the UFC when they get called up. And in return, the UFC can help steer fighters their way. Fighters who hit a losing streak and need to go somewhere to regroup. Bellator could get a ton of talent that way. TUF for instance... There are always several fighters worthy of eventually getting that UFC contract. Send them to Bellator if they get signed after the show.
7/26/12 1:04 AM
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Alvarez gets wrestlefucked in the UFC.

7/26/12 1:09 AM
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yellow wrkahlc - ^Very.

Because Bellator was just starting, they wanted to establish top talent, and keep them to put their name on the map. But now, no fighter who has high hopes for the UFC is going to sign one of those, let alone think twice about saying "No thanks" to Bellator.

They'll never be legitimate competition for the UFC, and there's no shame in that. But business tactics like that are what's going to pull them under. That Champion Clause was also a load of bull.
How is it a load of bull? If someone isn't comfortable with that clause, they don't have to sign. But once they do, it's only right that they honor their contract. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Nobody is saying they shouldn't honor a contract that they sign.

They're encouraging fighters to take dives though. A fighter like Lombard or Chandler, with no competition in the organization, is just stuck.
7/26/12 1:13 AM
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stonepony, you know what's up. Props, I was thinking the same way right after I saw your post about keeping a good relationship between them instead of starting a "war." It's just good business for them to work together rather than against.

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yellow wrkahlc - ^Very.

Because Bellator was just starting, they wanted to establish top talent, and keep them to put their name on the map. But now, no fighter who has high hopes for the UFC is going to sign one of those, let alone think twice about saying "No thanks" to Bellator.

They'll never be legitimate competition for the UFC, and there's no shame in that. But business tactics like that are what's going to pull them under. That Champion Clause was also a load of bull.
How is it a load of bull? If someone isn't comfortable with that clause, they don't have to sign. But once they do, it's only right that they honor their contract.

That's what I'm saying though: why would anyone sign that? It's like signing your career away. I'm sure they offer extra incentive to agree to that clause because fighters need the extra cash, but it sucks if that fighter turns out to be a Lombard or Askren of Bellator.

Sucks, that's all. Just don't like the idea of it.
7/26/12 1:13 AM
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lol shit, stonepony, you beat me to it AGAIN.

Smart UG'er.
7/26/12 2:18 AM
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stonepony - 
yellow wrkahlc - ^Very.

Because Bellator was just starting, they wanted to establish top talent, and keep them to put their name on the map. But now, no fighter who has high hopes for the UFC is going to sign one of those, let alone think twice about saying "No thanks" to Bellator.

They'll never be legitimate competition for the UFC, and there's no shame in that. But business tactics like that are what's going to pull them under. That Champion Clause was also a load of bull.
They would be smart to streamline the transition process. To normalize it. Make it easier for fighters to move up to the UFC when they get called up. And in return, the UFC can help steer fighters their way. Fighters who hit a losing streak and need to go somewhere to regroup. Bellator could get a ton of talent that way. TUF for instance... There are always several fighters worthy of eventually getting that UFC contract. Send them to Bellator if they get signed after the show.

 This^...  they need to use game theory.   People would be way more interested in bellator and the tournaments if they knew the winners made it into the ufc...

Just like college football.  You invest your time knowing you can likely follow your players into the nfl.  College ball is relevant...  Bellator currently is not.

The "college ball" niche is wide open in the mma space but nobody wants to take becuase they have some grandiose illussion that they are gonna be the "pepsi" to UFC's "coke" not realizing the marketplace doesnt want 2 brands in the same space... if they did, the wec would still be here.

if they cooperated not only would their product get more attention but they would also get more ex UFC names signing with them (anthony johnson, tyson griffin, etc...), better prospects because they wont need those nonsense contracts, they wouldnt have to compete for talent with the ufc and they could likely sell advertsing to Zuffa to promote their ppv's.

but spike is bitter and alas, we know what's gonna happen.
7/26/12 2:21 AM
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yellow wrkahlc - ^Very.

Because Bellator was just starting, they wanted to establish top talent, and keep them to put their name on the map. But now, no fighter who has high hopes for the UFC is going to sign one of those, let alone think twice about saying "No thanks" to Bellator.

They'll never be legitimate competition for the UFC, and there's no shame in that. But business tactics like that are what's going to pull them under. That Champion Clause was also a load of bull.

 and that's why they have to sign "prospects" from guam... because there's not a top coach or top camp out their that will allow their fighters to sign with bellator if they believe that fighter is or potentially can be the best in the world... they send their second stringers to bellator.

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