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7/26/12 7:17 AM
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these look remarkably similar to my limey ass and yet i detect there is a difference, judging by the way people differentiate between them when talking so, someone please help me out here
7/27/12 2:40 PM
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Crackdown- head on outside
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9/6/12 9:54 PM
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Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post
9/7/12 5:31 AM
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blacksamurai -  Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post

seems that way and yet jake shields uses it a lot/outside single, so what is it that he's doing different that protects him?
9/7/12 6:15 AM
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blacksamurai -  Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post

GSP mainly uses head outside when doing a single
9/9/12 2:30 AM
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blacksamurai -  Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post

seems that way and yet jake shields uses it a lot/outside single, so what is it that he's doing different that protects him?

Keeping the near arm trapped with his head and neck, prevents the guillotine from putting you in bed
9/9/12 8:36 AM
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blacksamurai -  Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post

seems that way and yet jake shields uses it a lot/outside single, so what is it that he's doing different that protects him?
Man you ever watch his wrestling damn its hard to watch! Shit Shogun even took Henderson down that guys bottom game is garbage he couldnt even get back to his feet after Shields got lucky...

I bet Shields prayed he never get back to
His feet... Phone Post
9/9/12 8:38 AM
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blacksamurai -  Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post

GSP mainly uses head outside when doing a single
Yeah he gets the guy hoping to set up his double... Phone Post
9/9/12 10:34 AM
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Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post



GSP mainly uses head outside when doing a single


Yeah he gets the guy hoping to set up his double... Phone Post



Not always infact ive only seen gsp go head outside single to double once and that was against sherk. Hes hit purely head outside single with run the pipe finish on many occasions though. Something ive noticed which is very very crafty of gsp's single he uses what i call a flank,or split the legs finish,to see it youl have to literally slow mo his training sessions and his fights to catch it,he used it very succesfully against hardy.
9/9/12 10:40 AM
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blacksamurai -  Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post

seems that way and yet jake shields uses it a lot/outside single, so what is it that he's doing different that protects him?

Keeping the near arm trapped with his head and neck, prevents the guillotine from putting you in bed

Gsp seems to shell his neck and shoulders up and tuck his chin right in completly when hitting a head outside shot,theres no space at all to slip a hand in to capitalize on the gteen,theres also massive penetration and bump,so much so that his opponent is almost folded in half at the waiste. So along with there being no space to slip a hand in,there folded in half,along with trying to balance and stop the takedown so there not really concentrating on the shot,and even if they were theyd be on the matt by the time theyd even succeeded in slip the arm in.
9/9/12 10:44 AM
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blacksamurai -  Crackdown gets you guillotined in MMA/Grappling match Phone Post

seems that way and yet jake shields uses it a lot/outside single, so what is it that he's doing different that protects him?
Man you ever watch his wrestling damn its hard to watch! Shit Shogun even took Henderson down that guys bottom game is garbage he couldnt even get back to his feet after Shields got lucky...

I bet Shields prayed he never get back to
His feet... Phone Post

Shields used a good old fashioned high crotch on Henderson it was knee on the matt too which is very unusual in mma lately as its an easier shot to defend by sprawling off to the side which can put you in a precarious position and almost face down crucifixed. I feel Hendersons greco background{no leg attacks} along with the simple element of suprise made it easier for sheilds to finish the high c.
9/9/12 2:36 PM
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Head outside is VERY nice for MMA and prevents the accidental knee-in-the-face chance while shooting.

You just have to have guillotine awareness.

Look at Phil Davis also RE: MMA.
9/11/12 3:58 PM
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Crackdown is taking it to the mat (both yours and your opponents hips are on the mat) to continue the scramble there, running the pipe is trying to finish while still standing and having your opponents hips on the mat and yours up.

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