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8/2/12 3:00 PM
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On an empty stomach, before breakfast, or eating anything.

Any of you do it?

Do you go for a jog or go for a swim?

If so, for how long is your session? What intensity?

Low intensity, longer session Or
High intensity, shorter session.

Given the fact you have been fasting overnight, your blood sugar isn't high, so does your body take less time to start metabolizing fat? What about glycogen stores?

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8/2/12 6:13 PM
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8/2/12 7:36 PM
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always lift or run in the morning on an empty stomach(aside from 2 cups of coffee)

just used to it by now after switching to morning workouts like 10 years ago

squats..deadlifts...4 mile runs...whatever the day's workout is
8/3/12 12:44 AM
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Now that I'm on a holiday I usually lift in the morning at a fasted state. I just take a protein powder + some water and a pre workout booster before training.

Sometimes I come home, take a protein shake and go for a run with my dog before eating a larger meal.

If I'm not on a holiday, I usually just do some dynamic stretches and wake my body up in the morning (10-20 minutes). It builds a bit of a sweat but I wouldn't call it cardio.
8/3/12 12:45 AM
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edit. double
8/3/12 1:47 AM
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Excellent at burning fat and horrible if your trying to build muscle. Phone Post
8/3/12 1:56 AM
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WestCoastMXC - Excellent at burning fat and horrible if your trying to build muscle. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Bit off an odd statement. If it's excellent in burning fat then why would it burn muscle? Or what's your point? Just keep the intensity low and eat enough. The only issue I see is recovery, but if the intensity is low it shouldn't be a trouble.
8/3/12 2:01 AM
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WestCoastMXC - Excellent at burning fat and horrible if your trying to build muscle. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Bit off an odd statement. If it's excellent in burning fat then why would it burn muscle? Or what's your point? Just keep the intensity low and eat enough. The only issue I see is recovery, but if the intensity is low it shouldn't be a trouble.
What does it take to be in a catabolic state in which you are metabolizing muscle?

When all glycogen is depleted doesnt one "hit the wall"? Therefore has to stop?

And you can't burn ALL the fat you have. To much Ketosis can be harmful also right? Phone Post
8/3/12 2:25 AM
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Prioritize things. Even though I'm bulking and trying to gain weight I do some light cardio 25-45 minutes three times a week. Fasted cardio works best for my schedule. I might be burning all the muscle with that... don't really know. LOL.

Someone who actually knows his shit might want to chime in.

Edit. The only thing I avoid considering cardio is doing it right after lifting weights.

From what I've understood doing extensive cardio straight after lifting weights impairs the protein synthesis and thus prevents muscle hypertrophy from occurring as efficiently.
8/3/12 5:44 AM
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I usually just have some protein prior to training. I've managed to run/lift just as well without "hitting the wall" so I guess my body still has glycogen left from the earlier day since I eat a shitload of carbs on the days I train.
8/3/12 7:27 AM
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I pretty much hit the wall after 100min if i havn't had something substantial to eat.(thats when im on my roadbike)

A 60min run on the other hand would be no problem.I guess it really comes down to volume.
8/3/12 8:04 AM
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Some people go a little overboard with the science. You arent going to go into ketosis and start burning muscle just because you havent had any carbs prior to a morning workout. The body doesnt just adapt that quickly. The success people are having working with fasted training following the IF 16:8 rule speaks to the contrary actually. <br /><br />Do whatever allows you to get the most out of your morning workout. I dont like to eat before morning workouts because it slows me down a bit and it can make my stomach uneasy. I stick to fluids, whether it is water, a protein shake or whatever. No difference if I am lifting, HIIT or kickboxing.
8/3/12 9:34 AM
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12ealdeal - Given the fact you have been fasting overnight, your blood sugar isn't high, so does your body take less time to start metabolizing fat?


fasting and low blood sugar = HGH spike and fat burn.
8/3/12 9:43 AM
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WestCoastMXC - Excellent at burning fat and horrible if your trying to build muscle. Phone Post
This.

B/c your body will use your muscles are energy source after your glycogen stores get depleted. And that would be pretty dam quick since your haven't eaten.

Have some carbs and protein prior to training. This means getting up earlier for your morning.

If only i followed my own advice. Phone Post


that's borderline hysteria IMHO. get a read on fasting, blood sugar levels, sprint training and HGH release. Also the time that you ingest carbs and protein isn't nearly as important as your daily net.
8/3/12 8:34 PM
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I eat a banana and a 16-20g protein shake with water 30-60 minutes before any work out.

Then a 32-40g protein shake after the work out. Sometimes I drink a big ass class of plain ole' chocolate milk after a work out.

I prefer to work out first thing in the morning vs. in the evening.

That is how I was trained, has always worked for me.

8/4/12 1:56 AM
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LiftStrong - Some people go a little overboard with the science. You arent going to go into ketosis and start burning muscle just because you havent had any carbs prior to a morning workout. The body doesnt just adapt that quickly. The success people are having working with fasted training following the IF 16:8 rule speaks to the contrary actually. <br /><br />Do whatever allows you to get the most out of your morning workout. I dont like to eat before morning workouts because it slows me down a bit and it can make my stomach uneasy. I stick to fluids, whether it is water, a protein shake or whatever. No difference if I am lifting, HIIT or kickboxing.
"The success people are having working with fasted training following the IF 16:8 rule speaks to the contrary actually"

Care to elaborate more on this? Or tell me what to google. Haha Phone Post
8/4/12 2:02 AM
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^^^intermittent fasting, eating 3 meals a day at 16 hour and a 8 hour intervals, that's the way to go.

Eating every 3 hours is not only impractical, but also stunts HGH release and makes you a pain in the ass to hang out with. People who need to snack every like 2 hours are really annoying to spend time with.
8/4/12 2:15 AM
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http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html
8/4/12 2:21 AM
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good piece on skipping breakfast

http://articles.elitefts.com/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/
8/4/12 2:28 AM
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8/4/12 10:09 AM
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12ealdeal - On an empty stomach, before breakfast, or eating anything. <br><br>Any of you do it?<br><br>Do you go for a jog or go for a swim?<br><br>If so, for how long is your session? What intensity?<br><br>Low intensity, longer session Or<br>High intensity, shorter session.<br><br>Given the fact you have been fasting overnight, your blood sugar isn't high, so does your body take less time to start metabolizing fat? What about glycogen stores?<br><br>Thanks <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



Here is an Q&A on this by Lyle McDonald.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/fasted-cardio-and-fat-loss-qa.html
8/4/12 10:54 PM
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mkou - Now that I'm on a holiday I usually lift in the morning at a fasted state. I just take a protein powder + some water and a pre workout booster before training.

Sometimes I come home, take a protein shake and go for a run with my dog before eating a larger meal.

If I'm not on a holiday, I usually just do some dynamic stretches and wake my body up in the morning (10-20 minutes). It builds a bit of a sweat but I wouldn't call it cardio.
Well your training in a fasted state then are you? Phone Post
8/5/12 1:17 AM
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No shit? Where did I mention doing differently?
8/5/12 6:50 AM
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mkou - No shit? Where did I mention doing differently?
How is taking protein before you train lifting in a fasted state? Phone Post

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