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8/19/12 5:02 PM
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buddie
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Look, Olympic boxing is broken, busted, bad. I love boxing, especially amateur boxing AND the US team should be much better. But the boxing in the Olympics needs to be fixed and until that is addressed, it will continue to be bad for boxing.

http://maxboxing.com/news/sub-lead/atlas-back-in-the-pristine-world-of-pro-boxing

8/19/12 9:18 PM
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One of the reasons people tune in for swimming and gymnastics is the storyline. We get a glimpse into the athletes' lives and can connect with them on a personal level. Many of the boxers representing the USA have compelling stories, but for whatever reason they aren't featured as much. Perhaps a reality television show following the team would help. It would also be a good idea to select the team a year or two in advance and have them compete on the international level.
8/20/12 12:15 PM
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419 - One of the reasons people tune in for swimming and gymnastics is the storyline. We get a glimpse into the athletes' lives and can connect with them on a personal level. Many of the boxers representing the USA have compelling stories, but for whatever reason they aren't featured as much. Perhaps a reality television show following the team would help. It would also be a good idea to select the team a year or two in advance and have them compete on the international level.

That IS a good idea, so long as there is not "artificial" competition. I can not stomach the reality tv 'elimination' format.

Just a straight documentary style show about guys trying to make the team, full fights on tv (3 round fights are perfect, or even highlights, but please no 'slo mo' shots to music out of context, ala 'The Contender').

I'd also hope they didn't try to copy TUF. That would only be a failure, no living in the same house etc. Just show it for what it is, poor kids trying to fight for their future.
8/20/12 5:30 PM
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hackett - If you watch enough you'll see the kind of tactics common to ammy success. They use the ring differently, stay center so each judge can see a scoring blow, maintain distance a bit differently, aim a little higher so the head snaps back a bit....


Yeah, they do a lot of things differently. But you seem to be one of the very few who actually likes the current rule set...seemingly everyone else was complaining about the boring fights and protesting the horrible scoring.

Not just sore loser Americans either. Countries like Russia, China, and Thailand all complained during these Olympics.

What will it be like in Rio? I imagine it will be something very similar to what we had pre-1984. A return to the old days is bound to be better in my opinion, but then again almost anything would be an improvement as far as I'm concerned.

One thing I do hope they keep when they go to the 10 point must is the announcing of the scores after every round. Just so that the fighters know where they stand.
8/20/12 7:37 PM
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There was clearly a lot of funny business and bullshit going on at the games. I defy anyone to say that there wasn't. As sure as I'm sure the sun rose this morning, I'm sure that the AIBA is corrupt. That doesn't change the fact that the US team was ill prepared and lacking in a lot of areas, but it does mean that 1. People no longer view boxing - even in the Olympics - as legit. 2. It isn't fair to the fighters. The AIBA needs to be blown up and US boxing needs to start over and make some sweeping changes well before 2016.

8/21/12 3:51 PM
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http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8229973/andre-ward-wants-changes-cure-us-amateur-boxing-woes

Must read + spot on (video) analysis from Teddy Atlas
8/22/12 8:02 AM
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I agree Buddie, boxing is dramatic enough; there is no need for artificial competition. Follow the top contenders as they train, show the box-offs, then follow the team for a year or two's worth of training and international competition.
10/23/12 3:29 AM
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Provided the headgear allows for good vision I would think the discontinuation of headgear would just result in an increase of brain trauma in a sport that is dangerous enough
10/23/12 3:29 AM
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Provided the headgear allows for good vision I would think the discontinuation of headgear would just result in an increase of brain trauma in a sport that is dangerous enough
10/23/12 3:52 AM
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Amateur fights only last 3 rounds. Brain injuries shouldn't be a big problem and as far as I know they weren't pre-1984.

The adoption of headgear that year seems to have been a kneejerk reaction to a problem that didn't exist.
10/24/12 2:35 AM
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PoundforPound - Amateur fights only last 3 rounds. Brain injuries shouldn't be a big problem and as far as I know they weren't pre-1984.

The adoption of headgear that year seems to have been a kneejerk reaction to a problem that didn't exist.

2/12/13 8:44 PM
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TTT before boxing is also eliminated from the Olympics
2/12/13 8:58 PM
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Unbelievable...an Alexander Karelin vignette from the '88 Games is one of my most vivid childhood Olympic memories.

Can't imagine the Olympics without wrestling. :(
2/12/13 10:04 PM
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Its damn near impossible to screw up something as incredible as the Olympics, yet somehow the IOC has succeeded brilliantly at it.
2/13/13 7:07 AM
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mikegoldberghasgrownonme - Provided the headgear allows for good vision I would think the discontinuation of headgear would just result in an increase of brain trauma in a sport that is dangerous enough

Headgear doesn't protect against brain trauma, and boxing is one of the safest sports in the olympics already.

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