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Jack Slack
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Hey guys! 

Time for the start of another series, I'm going to run this one up to the Vitor Belfort fight, and if Jones keeps learning it might go on even longer! This is the first piece in the series and will focus on a controversial kick. Do weigh in - is the oblique kick a dick move or not? 

Hope you don't mind clicking the link and as always, all feedback is welcomed!

Cheers,
Jack

 
 
For those of you who haven't kept up with the ridiculous UFC 151 debacle; Jon Jones and Vitor Belfort are slated to meet in a title match at UFC 152, and as is my job I will be educating the fans over the coming weeks in the techniques that they are most likely to see from both men. Jon Jones has caught the public imagination as almost an unfair match to most in the light heavyweight division due to his Dhalsim-like reach and height, but the assertion that fighting with an 84 inch reach is easy is a flawed one. It takes a great deal of skill for Jones to strike as well as he does and you only need to compare him to Stefan Struve to realize the difficulty of fighting to your reach advantage.
 
Stefan Struve also owns an 84" reach - yet he has none of the success on the feet that Jon Jones does. This is entirely because Struve fights a shorter man's fight; stepping in with hooks, swings and stepping knees - often running right onto his opponent's punches or allowing them to tie him up and take him down with ease as Sean McCorkle did. (G) (G) 
 
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Jon Jones is a unique case because he does not just have an 84 inch reach, he is absolutely ruthless with it - to the point where ridiculous talk of how he should move to heavyweight because it's unfair to make light heavyweights fight him is now commonplace.
 
Jones' excellent use of his reach comes firstly from excellent coaching in lengthy techniques - as his team mate Carlos Condit also demonstrates - but also from his own discipline as a student. Where Condit will get caught up in exchanges at close range and look sloppy, Jones will immediately re-establish the distance or tie his opponent up and throw them when he is forced to fight too close for his coaches' liking.
 
The technique that we'll look at today is the controversial push kick to the knee or Oblique kick.
 
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Greg Jackson and Mike Winklejohn have produced several fighters who are keen on the so called chasse or oblique kick. For those of you unfamiliar with the oblique kick it is rather a specialist kick that features in both Muay Thai and Savate, but it is also fairly simple to apply. Here's a quick video demonstrating one variation of the oblique kick.
 
This type of front kick to the knee joint is a favourite of Mike Winklejohn's students at Jackson's MMA and can be seen in almost all of Jon Jones and Carlos Condit's recent fights. It is also seen as something of a cheap shot by many fighters as kicks to the front of the knee are very dangerous - easily capable of hyper extending the knee - and severe knee injuries are career changing affairs. Supposedly the human knee joint takes only a few points of pressure to hyper-extend when it is in a neutral or straightened position. If there is not suitable flex in a fighter's knee when he eats one of these kicks it could not just be the end of the fight but the end of his career. Mauricio Rua and Norifumi Yamamoto's recent performances should be example enough of how severe knee injuries affect the style and ability of former pound for pound greats.
 
The chasse / oblique kick is an extremely useful technique to strikers because it limits the action. Men like Jon Jones and Carlos Condit do well at range when they are dictating what is happening and are landing their biting kicks - they give away all of their advantages on the feet when their opponents are allowed to run at them.
 
An excellent example of this kick in action is Carlos Condit's use of this kick to defeat Dan Hardy. Watching the fight it was clear that Hardy was the better boxer - hitting Carlos with left hooks every time the latter ran in. Condit's boxing is not great, he throws looping punches with flared elbows and lifts his chin up as he does so - but his kicking game is excellent. Hardy's money punch is his left hook at he gave Condit trouble with it all night. To throw a powerful left hook the weight must start over the left leg, so that one can drive off of it and rotate the left hip and shoulder to the right. By using the oblique kick into Dan Hardy's lead knee repeatedly, Carlos Condit forced Hardy onto his back foot.
 
 



 
 
9/1/12 5:03 PM
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  In the above stills you will notice that Condit really troubled Hardy as soon as he started throwing his chasse / oblique kick. In the top two stills Hardy attempts a right hand lead, doubtless to set up his left hook, but his knee is almost hyper extended by Condit as Hardy puts his weight forward. In the bottom two stills you can see that Hardy's stance is much shorter and his legs are underneath him, rather than spread to drive off of and create power. (G)

 
Condit's kicking of Hardy's front knee literally put Hardy on the back foot, as Hardy was reluctant to put weight on his lead leg so that he could pick it up and get it out of the way. This removed the power from Hardy's left hook as he could not plant his left foot deep in front of him to throw it. Notice in the last sequence - the three punch exchange that everyone remembers is immediately preceeded by the chasse to the knee which again almost hyper extends Hardy's knee joint. Hardy draws his lead leg back as Hardy dives in.
 
You will notice that Hardy tried to use his usual left hook counter (bottom right still, end of the sequence) but his feet were so close together underneath him that he had no power in his punch, where Condit was driving from his legs and hips with his own left hook. The UFC commentary played up the "Condit got there first" angle, but Hardy's punch connected anyway and had none of it's usual power, simply due to the fact that he was forced out of his usual sprinter's style stance.
 
The chasse is excellent against big punchers because men with a great right hand need to dive on to their left leg as they throw their right, and men with a great left hook need to put their weight on their left leg before they throw their left. You cannot punch effectively if you are can't transfer your body weight onto your lead leg, and the chasse takes away the ability to do that by threatening to hyper-extend the knee joint every time weight is placed on it.
 
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excellent read as usual
9/1/12 5:32 PM
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Your articles are always a great read. Thanks for sharing. Phone Post
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excellent stuff, thanks again
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Fantastic read.

To answer your question, yes, the oblique kick is a dick move.
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In the Jones/Rampage fight, it was hillarious when Rampage was taking those kicks to the knee and he kept on looking at the ref. like "Come on man, he's fucking my knees up, make him stop"
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Twostep - Fantastic read.

To answer your question, yes, the oblique kick is a dick move.

Soccer kick is a dick move.
Front kick to the face is a dick move.
Spinning backfist is a dick move.
A punch to the head is a dick move.

But this is a fight.. so no one cares if it's a dick move or not. If it works and it's legal in the situation.. do it.
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Almost forgot.. nice analysis Jack.
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That was a great analysis Jack.
Great perspective on the Condit/Hardy fight, had never realized that. Good stuff.
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There's a difference between trying to win a fight and Intentionally injuring somebody. Yes, dick move. Phone Post
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Has anyone ever actually SEEN someone get seriously injured by an oblique kick? I've heard for so long how dangerous it is, yet I'm unaware of anyone actually getting their knee blown out by one in MMA, Muay Thai or Savate. If someone has seen it or knows of examples I'd be curious to know. 

Great analysis, btw.



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Great analysis of the Hardy fight.

Anyone know which leg GSP injured?

I wonder if Condit is going to aggressively go after GSP's injured knee. If GSP injured his lead leg Condit might use this technique a lot.
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Not a dick move. The overestimation of this kick sounds like old school TMA death move worship.
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LilBrockonmychest - Anderson throws oblique kick:  Nice move

Brandon Vera throw oblique kick:  Great strategy

Condit throw oblique kick:  Sweet kick

Jon Jones throws oblique kick:  DIck move.  What a piece of shit coward fake ass bully that's too big for his weight class throwing such a cheap kick. 

Made me laugh, however people actually criticized Anderson a lot for using this in his fights. It was pretty controversial.

IMO it should be illegal. But if it's not illegal, you can't say much about a fighter using it.
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Awesome breakdown. Always thought Condit just "got there first" as well, or Hardys punch wasn't as flush.

Great analysis, man. Phone Post
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Clarence Parents -
Twostep - Fantastic read.

To answer your question, yes, the oblique kick is a dick move.

Soccer kick is a dick move.
Front kick to the face is a dick move.
Spinning backfist is a dick move.
A punch to the head is a dick move.

But this is a fight.. so no one cares if it's a dick move or not. If it works and it's legal in the situation.. do it.
There is debate over whether it should be made illegal. Strikes that have a high risk of permanent injury are typically illegal in mma. It's not as bad as eye gouging or snapping fingers but it's pretty dangerous. Phone Post

Heel hook must be a huge dick move than.. I'll let Palhares know to cut that shit out and just be cool until we ban it.
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Hate seeing that move and I hope its banned soon

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