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9/5/12 5:15 PM
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Can I make it a career?..I think im going with an Ace certification..is that the best route?...Any input would be great thanks! Phone Post
9/7/12 8:22 AM
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 from what I understand the biggest and most respected (subjective I suppose?) is the NSCA. You could and I've friends who made it a career, the problem I believe is that more people are getting into it and there's a TON of nonsense in terms of knowledge going around in that fielt. I do nutrition counseling to a small chain of gyms here in NYC and when I first came on board (I am very miliant in my approach in a way) I saw the owner drinking soda, counting her calories, eating fast food, white bread, etc...She was "in shape" because she's a cycler and all but honestly, I lost a ton of respect for her real quick.

that was a bit ranty, but it also depends I suppose on where you live. I think here it's a blessing and a curse because we've tons of overweight people but a lot of competition. On the East Coast there's a ton of pros also but seemingly less potential clients as Cali and even Oregon have more of a healthier mindset.

obviously doing your "market" research, SEO, website, blog, etc is crucial in this day and age :)

edit: Also, share your story! If you're like a former fattie like myself or whatever people may relate to you greatly (not may but will if you "pitch them out" right)
 
9/7/12 11:57 AM
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Thats great advice.Thanks...Im glad someone replied Phone Post
9/7/12 12:21 PM
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Also, the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) offers a personal trainer certification.
9/7/12 12:50 PM
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Which one is most regarded highly?...Ace is the 1st company who shows up when you google personal training certificate Phone Post
9/7/12 12:53 PM
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I know Arthur answered that but just want more than one reply...and dont worry Arthur Im a really clean eater...Multi grain or wheat occasionally for carbs...almond milk...granolas..brown rice..you name it Phone Post
9/7/12 1:15 PM
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"I saw the owner drinking soda, counting her calories, eating fast food, white bread, etc...She was "in shape" because she's a cycler and all but honestly, I lost a ton of respect for her real quick."

Why did you lose respect for her? Was she suggesting those particular foods for overweight people or was she saying that eating that stuff is healthy?
9/7/12 1:44 PM
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 You'd be hard pressed to find someone who'd go as far as to say they're "healthy" (which is a very subjective term) but because that junk has no place in the gym. Especially when you deal with overweight clients and they see you consuming that stuff what do you think they will do? Working with clients is a very psychological art also. If you preach to them but are untruthful they will not listen to you and worse yet not give you their or their friends' business.  She was essentially saying that the stuff she ate didn't matter as long as she worked out for a few hours a day. 
9/7/12 2:29 PM
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ArthurKnoqOut -  You'd be hard pressed to find someone who'd go as far as to say they're "healthy" (which is a very subjective term) but because that junk has no place in the gym. Especially when you deal with overweight clients and they see you consuming that stuff what do you think they will do? Working with clients is a very psychological art also. If you preach to them but are untruthful they will not listen to you and worse yet not give you their or their friends' business.  She was essentially saying that the stuff she ate didn't matter as long as she worked out for a few hours a day. 
I'm sure it will eventually catch up to her Phone Post
9/7/12 2:45 PM
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After reading imkeithhernandez last post, I'm thinking y'all are posting in a troll thread.
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Not a troll..genuinely interested Phone Post
9/7/12 3:23 PM
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Rusty Shackleford - 
ArthurKnoqOut -  You'd be hard pressed to find someone who'd go as far as to say they're "healthy" (which is a very subjective term) but because that junk has no place in the gym. Especially when you deal with overweight clients and they see you consuming that stuff what do you think they will do? Working with clients is a very psychological art also. If you preach to them but are untruthful they will not listen to you and worse yet not give you their or their friends' business.  She was essentially saying that the stuff she ate didn't matter as long as she worked out for a few hours a day. 
I'm sure it will eventually catch up to her Phone Post

  It will, healthwise certainly...

I did also think it's a troll post because he said "whole wheat and granola is healthy" but who knows lol 
9/8/12 12:52 PM
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 I have both the NSCA and the ACSM certs. I personally would not recommend either. My top recommendations are:

1. If you are planning to work for someone else, the only cert that matters is the one that they like.
2. If you are planning to work for yourself, the only cert that matters is the one that you like.
3. If you are getting a cert purely to learn about stuff...Don't waste time and or money, just study.

My top recommendations for certs these days are as follows:

1. NSPA
2. I.A.R.T.
3. S.P.A.R.T.A.

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9/8/12 3:01 PM
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Thanks Taku Phone Post
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Taku -  I have both the NSCA and the ACSM certs. I personally would not recommend either. My top recommendations are:

1. If you are planning to work for someone else, the only cert that matters is the one that they like.
2. If you are planning to work for yourself, the only cert that matters is the one that you like.
3. If you are getting a cert purely to learn about stuff...Don't waste time and or money, just study.

My top recommendations for certs these days are as follows:

1. NSPA
2. I.A.R.T.
3. S.P.A.R.T.A.

TAKU

TAKU totally drops truth here. The only certification that matters in the alphabet soup world of certifications is the one wanted by whatever gym you are trying to work at/for.

If they don't care, then you shouldn't either. Get some sort of alphabet soup after your name for insurance purposes, study your ass off so that you can actually train and not just assign the alphabet soup bullshit, and then get to work.
9/8/12 11:45 PM
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Yeah I totally get the idea of getting whichever certificate that specific gym is looking for...But I may want to leave the area and go to a bigger town (Im in Scranton,Pa) so I figured Id ask which would be best to impress a new gym on my resume.Ill def look into Takus suggestions. Thanks Phone Post
9/9/12 9:21 AM
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 Taku, what's your reasoning there? Also, do you think the same for CSCS ?
9/9/12 5:19 PM
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AKO,

I can answer for myself for a couple of reasons. First, there are many gyms that will only take certain certifications. Sure, the CSCS is one of the more accepted ones, but I know of gyms that don't care about a CSCS. Or if they do hire you, you have to immediately also enroll in another type of cert with another group.

Secondly, as for TAKU's reason number 3, its because certification classes don't really teach you how to be a GOOD trainer. What they tend to do is teach you how to be a SAFE trainer, as in, not doing stupid shit that gets people hurt. Now, a lot of trainers will take this knowledge and then design workouts that they ignorantly think are cutting edge, and are really no more effective than me jacking off left handed.

Self study is the most important part of becoming a GOOD or GREAT trainer. And the study has to be a mix. Sure, you have to do a good amount of reading, but you also need to do a lot of time under the bar, working your ass off seeing what works.
9/9/12 8:04 PM
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Great advice man...I liked Sparta alot...Seems like something id be interested in down the road. In for more advice too.Kind of a career 180...switching from teacher aide to potentially this. I practically live and breathe the gym anyway might as well make it a career. Phone Post
9/10/12 11:32 AM
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You know, good discussion here. Absolutely, life (and your certification) is what you make it...
9/10/12 4:08 PM
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 Chocolate, what I meant was does Taku and perhaps yourself think the same thing about the CSCS license/certification since the CSCS scope is a bit different than the CPT one. As in do you guys still think one is more superior to the other or whatevers. great input btw brother :) 


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I personally do think that the CSCS is a bit higher in level than your average CPT cert. But, in all honesty, I've met just as many retarded CSCS guys as CPT guys. The main difference being that the CSCS guys can usually toss out more scientific sounding jargon than the CPT guys.

Realize that the CSCS or CPT is nothing more than what should be the first level of having someone educated. It's kinda like engineering or even medical training. Sure, the kid who's got his bachelor's degree knows some shit. But, who are you gonna get to build a skyscraper? The kid with a bachelor's, or the guy who has a PhD (if they offer that really)? Who would you have drill on your teeth, the kid with a bachelor's in pre-med, or a DDS?

While personal training is nowhere near as education-heavy as getting a DDS (although you can make it that way), the reality is that ANY cert is really nothing more than at most a single course of a university degree.

You know what cert I would prefer over any CPT or CSCS if I was hiring a trainer for a gym? I'd prefer a BS in exercise science or kinesiology from a good university.
9/10/12 8:46 PM
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 The NSCA cert was the very first one I got way back in early 90's. Over the years I have lost faith in the NSCA because they publish a lot of total crap research and also are essentially a good old boys club promoting their own personal preferences and patting each other on the back.

The NSPA has been around almost as long as the NSCA and their C.C.S. cert it just as well rounded and in depth as the C.S.C.S. They were founded by former NSCA members who were not happy with the way that organization was heading.

I.A.R.T. is probaly the best cert for gaining knowledge...it has changed in the past few years and is not as tough as it used to be. They now break it into multi-levels for more access (and probably more money for them).

Besides the NSCA cert, I have

ACSM HFI
ACE Personal trainer
YMCA Strength training Instructor Trainer (Very in depth cert)
YMCA Group Ex instructor
NSPA Personal Trainer
NSPA Conditioning Specialist
USAW Sports Performance Coach
S.P.A.R.T.A. Master Trainer
And various others such as Spinning, Kickboxing, etc...

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9/10/12 9:35 PM
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I'll add one more to a list of qualifications that I would prefer over any degree or certification. That is someone who has experience being mentored by a respected institution or coach. If someone came to me after being an intern with the strength training department at the University of Arizona, or the Pittsburgh Penguins, or with Dave Tate at EliteFTS or Mike Boyle, I'd take their recommendation over any alphabet soup.

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