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Frank Shamrock recently appeared on BJPenn.Com Radio and covered a wide variety of topics, including Dana White, Jon Jones, and the UFC 151 cancellation.

White and Shamrock have engaged in a long and public feud, quotes from which form an encyclopedia of insults. Is there any chance of reconcilliation?

“I don’t see that being a possibility," said Shamrock. "I say that because I knew Dana before he bought the UFC. I knew what he was like and they made promises that things were going to be different and I didn’t sign with them. That made me a mortal enemy because I refused to sign with them. I have no intentions of going with those people who misled and tried everything to end my career.”

There will be little surprise to hear that Shamrock comes down firmly on the Jones' camp side of the UFC 151 cancellation.

“I don’t know if Jones made the right decision or not, but I liked the decision,” said Shamrock. “I personally don’t like Dana so I like that he stood up to him. Dana is just a big bully and a blow hard. It’s sad to see someone of Jones’ stature brought down by the President of the company. He was basically laid out and destroyed because he didn’t take one for the team. I feel bad for the fans, but fighting is fighting.”

“I definitely think it’ll be a negative factor in the long run. I mean these are our sport's heroes, guys we want our children to emulate. You got a guy like Dana who doesn’t care about the talent or the fans. He puts himself, his ego and his desire to make money in front of everything.

"He’s destroying Jones’ brand in the process, it’s not Jon’s responsibility to save the card. Dana White has $100 million, why didn’t he pay the fans back or the fighter’s salaries? Jones made a decision that was right for his family; it has nothing to do with the billion dollars the Fertittas are sitting on. It’s ridiculous in my opinion, the whole sport is ridiculous."

"MMA is being promoted as something cool to do on television,” Shamrock continued. “It’s not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle and something that can enrich and better your life. It’s being promoted with hot chicks and guys with tattoos beating the heck out of each other in a cage. That’s cool and all, but there are a lot of shortcomings to that.

"I don’t want my family to see that, I don’t want them to hear Dana dropping F-Bombs. The guy who has made himself the star of MMA is the biggest douche bag and loudmouth on the planet and he’s bringing the entire industry down. If there’s no reason for us to be beating each other up than money then we should probably be doing something else. For me it was about surviving, helping people and sharing my knowledge. I don’t think Dana has that going for him, he’s not a martial artist!”

One thing Shamrock is positive about is Daniel Cormier.

“If there’s anyone that can beat Jones, Cormier definitely stands a chance,” said Shamrock. “Jones has the really crazy reach, it’s really scary. Cormier would be a major test for Jones because of his wrestling and how confident he is in the cage. The guy is an Olympian and he’s been through it all, but I also think he can do it all as heavyweight.”

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 I feel about DFW like President Lincoln felt about Gen. Grant. Everyone was complaining about Grant's boozing, and Lincoln said “Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.”
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90 percent right.
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Kirik -  I feel about DFW like President Lincoln felt about Gen. Grant. Everyone was complaining about Grant's boozing, and Lincoln said “Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.”
Great analogy Phone Post
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 Man I wish these two could get along.

Having met both guys (Shamrock 3x) I know they both really care about MMA, and they're both really good guys to shoot the shit with, argue mma, etc... Let the past be the past guys.



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"MMA is being promoted as something cool to do on television,” Shamrock continued. “It’s not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle and something that can enrich and better your life. It’s being promoted with hot chicks and guys with tattoos beating the heck out of each other in a cage. That’s cool and all, but there are a lot of shortcomings to that."

Anybody care to dispute this?
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"The guy who has made himself the star of MMA is the biggest douche bag and loudmouth on the planet "

lol. What is Frank trying to say?
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smoogy - "MMA is being promoted as something cool to do on television,” Shamrock continued. “It’s not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle and something that can enrich and better your life. It’s being promoted with hot chicks and guys with tattoos beating the heck out of each other in a cage. That’s cool and all, but there are a lot of shortcomings to that."

Anybody care to dispute this?
Frank is right that it is not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle or spirit, but it isn't being promoted n the way he says it is either. Seems to me the UFC is trying to promote it as a legitimate pro sport. Phone Post
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Kirik -  I feel about DFW like President Lincoln felt about Gen. Grant. Everyone was complaining about Grant's boozing, and Lincoln said “Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.”

Why would you want to replicate someone as obnoxious, insecure, and psychologically maladjusted as him? Especially from someone who championed Fedor so much. I get that this forum is in bed with Zuffa, but the amount of glad-handing is getting absurd.

This is an example of what Frank was talking about. mma culture glorifies machismo because so many of the fans are insecure about their masculinity and sexuality that they feel they need to caricature what they perceive to be masculine archetypes to compensate.
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fuck ya Shammy, fuck ya.
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Kirik -  I feel about DFW like President Lincoln felt about Gen. Grant. Everyone was complaining about Grant's boozing, and Lincoln said “Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.”

Why would you want to replicate someone as obnoxious, insecure, and psychologically maladjusted as him? Especially from someone who championed Fedor so much. I get that this forum is in bed with Zuffa, but the amount of glad-handing is getting absurd.

This is an example of what Frank was talking about. mma culture glorifies machismo because so many of the fans are insecure about their masculinity and sexuality that they feel they need to caricature what they perceive to be masculine archetypes to compensate.

  Because of how much he has done to make MMA successful, and because as a result so many people I know and admire can make a good living at it. Pre Dana MMA was something you did instead of having health insurance.
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Kirik -  I feel about DFW like President Lincoln felt about Gen. Grant. Everyone was complaining about Grant's boozing, and Lincoln said “Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.”

Why would you want to replicate someone as obnoxious, insecure, and psychologically maladjusted as him? Especially from someone who championed Fedor so much. I get that this forum is in bed with Zuffa, but the amount of glad-handing is getting absurd.

This is an example of what Frank was talking about. mma culture glorifies machismo because so many of the fans are insecure about their masculinity and sexuality that they feel they need to caricature what they perceive to be masculine archetypes to compensate.

  Excellent post, Voted up.

I finally met Frank a few years ago while at an event in San Francisco. I had ringside seats,as did Frank.
There was a mistake, and several people flew a thousand miles and didn't get there seats.
Weren't enough seats, and a little melee occurred. Jake Shields and Gil Melendez were guest commentating, but they weren't allowed in the gate. (They finally made it in the front entrance)

Frank walks around the ring looking for his seat, I offered him mine, he declines and goes to sit 20 rows back in the audience for the entirety of the 16 bout card.

That's who I want for president.
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 frank and dana hate eachother, they will always bash eachother in the media
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Kirik -  I feel about DFW like President Lincoln felt about Gen. Grant. Everyone was complaining about Grant's boozing, and Lincoln said “Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.”

Why would you want to replicate someone as obnoxious, insecure, and psychologically maladjusted as him? Especially from someone who championed Fedor so much. I get that this forum is in bed with Zuffa, but the amount of glad-handing is getting absurd.

This is an example of what Frank was talking about. mma culture glorifies machismo because so many of the fans are insecure about their masculinity and sexuality that they feel they need to caricature what they perceive to be masculine archetypes to compensate.

  Because of how much he has done to make MMA successful, and because as a result so many people I know and admire can make a good living at it. Pre Dana MMA was something you did instead of having health insurance.

  I always said, "I won't use a vote on Kirik, he doesn't really need it because he owns the place". But damn.. VTFU.
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Agree 100% <br /><br />

oops. Meant to quote 12sixelbow's post above
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smoogy - "MMA is being promoted as something cool to do on television,” Shamrock continued. “It’s not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle and something that can enrich and better your life. It’s being promoted with hot chicks and guys with tattoos beating the heck out of each other in a cage. That’s cool and all, but there are a lot of shortcomings to that."

Anybody care to dispute this?
Frank is right that it is not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle or spirit, but it isn't being promoted n the way he says it is either. Seems to me the UFC is trying to promote it as a legitimate pro sport. Phone Post

That's how it seems to me as well.

They aren't promoted as brawlers, nor are they promoted as martial artists. They're promoted as athlete.

If you look at the big "ambassadors" of the sport, guys like Randy and GSP, they're cut from the classic pro-athlete cloth.
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THESE WORDS FROM FRANK SHAMROCK SUM UP WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THINKING FOR YEARS:

“I like that he (Jon Jones) stood up to him. Dana is just a big bully and a blow hard"....

"You got a guy like Dana who doesn’t care about the talent or the fans. He puts himself, his ego and his desire to make money in front of everything"...

"It's not Jon’s responsibility to save the card. Dana White has $100 million, why didn’t he pay the fans back or the fighter’s salaries? Jones made a decision that was right for his family"...

"MMA is being promoted as something cool to do on television...It’s not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle and something that can enrich and better your life. It’s being promoted with hot chicks and guys with tattoos beating the heck out of each other in a cage"...

"I don’t want my family to see that, I don’t want them to hear Dana dropping F-Bombs. The guy who has made himself the star of MMA is the biggest douche bag and loudmouth...and he’s bringing the entire industry down"...

"If there’s no reason for us to be beating each other up than money then we should probably be doing something else. For me it was about surviving, helping people and sharing my knowledge. I don’t think Dana has that going for him, he’s not a martial artist!”

............................

SO TRUE.

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12SixElbow -  Man I wish these two could get along.

Having met both guys (Shamrock 3x) I know they both really care about MMA, and they're both really good guys to shoot the shit with, argue mma, etc... Let the past be the past guys.




How'd you meet them? What did you talk about?

Even though he comes off as a loudmouth, Dana actually strikes me as the type of guy who would be fun to hang out and have a beer with.

Frank, even though he pushes the whole "budo" angle (which I love) has always struck me as kind of a pretentious d-bag. Obviously, I haven't met him, it's speculation; I just thought he came off that way in interviews.
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Kirik -  I feel about DFW like President Lincoln felt about Gen. Grant. Everyone was complaining about Grant's boozing, and Lincoln said “Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.”

Why would you want to replicate someone as obnoxious, insecure, and psychologically maladjusted as him? Especially from someone who championed Fedor so much. I get that this forum is in bed with Zuffa, but the amount of glad-handing is getting absurd.

This is an example of what Frank was talking about. mma culture glorifies machismo because so many of the fans are insecure about their masculinity and sexuality that they feel they need to caricature what they perceive to be masculine archetypes to compensate.

  Because of how much he has done to make MMA successful, and because as a result so many people I know and admire can make a good living at it. Pre Dana MMA was something you did instead of having health insurance.

He didn't do it out of the kindness of his heart as a gift to the sport of mma. Zuffa is for-profit after all. He helped in creating a business and is compensated for it, and viewing it that way prevents all this emotional enmeshment nonsense that many here seem to have with being loyal to Zuffa Propaganda because of the growth of the sport. It's the same logic as a kid covering up for an alcoholic or abusive parent because it feels indebted for being alive and taken care of.
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Frank is closer to the situation than anyone else. He really knows the MMA game, and the people in it.

I trust his opinions.
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 Damn Bert !   SMACK !!!
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smoogy - "MMA is being promoted as something cool to do on television,” Shamrock continued. “It’s not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle and something that can enrich and better your life. It’s being promoted with hot chicks and guys with tattoos beating the heck out of each other in a cage. That’s cool and all, but there are a lot of shortcomings to that."

Anybody care to dispute this?
Frank is right that it is not being promoted as the martial arts lifestyle or spirit, but it isn't being promoted n the way he says it is either. Seems to me the UFC is trying to promote it as a legitimate pro sport. Phone Post

That's how it seems to me as well.

They aren't promoted as brawlers, nor are they promoted as martial artists. They're promoted as athlete.

If you look at the big "ambassadors" of the sport, guys like Randy and GSP, they're cut from the classic pro-athlete cloth.
I agree, and I think that is the best way to go. Phone Post
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Nothing but sour grapes. Zuffa has created the global market and lifted MMA to where it is. Maybe Frank doesn't remember that the UFC he fought for died. Like every other organization.

People can whine and cry all they like, and they can criticize, but suggesting that DW has done something to hold MMA back will just make you look stupid. He's an outstanding promoter. Zuffa is full of smart people who have blown away every expectation.

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