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wiggum - What I will say is that as a Division I wrestler with about 4 months of no gi experience, I had trouble when I first put the gi on. Starting on the feet, I was beating blue belts, but purples had my number.

Take that for whatever it's worth.

i wasnt D1 level but after a few months of GI training I liked it and used it.If u are a good wrestler and u put GI on and just wrestle u will have trouble.You have to use it as well Not just defend it.When i grappled people I wouldnt be like oh crap we are in GI Im scared ( of same guy I just grappled no GI )

No doubt. I started feeling really comfortable with the gi after about a month.

I can see JBJ getting comfortable as well and start taking off. I am sure his learning curve is off the charts. But, Put a Gi on him for the first time like I said, He'll be helpless if you ask me.

what belt are u ? do u think u can beat Jones in GI ? helpless ? I doubt u have even ever grappled ? ya Jon Jones the same guy who choked blackbelt Machada a sleep and subbed Vitor would be like a deer Like a Bambi in a GI ? R u like a purple belt who wants to believe somehow with a GI u could beat Jones ?

check a previous post, he said in prime he would beat Jones in the gi, and that Jones might be a bluey. Wonder if Jones could hang with all the blue belts that used to proliferate this board and think they were bad.
9/23/12 10:46 PM
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hermanitor - Jones is not close to a black belt in jiu jitsu. His classic jiu jitsu is not particularly good.

He IS however a VERY good/excellent overall grappler. His wrestling, Positioning, and Ground and Pound are more than a match for ANYONE on the ground.

I do think however, that he can fall into traps set by BJJ players, because he doesn't formally play that game.

His armbar escape in this fight was indeed technically wrong, and he appears how have hyperextended his arm at the elbow. Technically you are supposed to stack the opponent, not pull out, which only completes the armbar. Tim Sylvia made this *exact* same mistake against Frnak Mur. No one was claiming big Tim was black belt caliber.

I think Jones IS at risk for losing via. armbar to a technical formal jiu jitsu player. This fight shows a real issue. A better BJJ player than Vitor might finish that submission. Jones does leave his arms out a bit too much.

So yeah. Jones is a black belt in grappling, but not a black belt in BJJ.

whats classic BJJ LMFAO
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"Didn't Rickson himself say a non-BJJ guy who was world class wrestler was his toughest guy to sub in no gi grappling?"

yup - Mark Schultz said he was tapped twice in about 40mins

great read:
http://www.onthemat.com/node/1011898

and another:
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wiggum - What I will say is that as a Division I wrestler with about 4 months of no gi experience, I had trouble when I first put the gi on. Starting on the feet, I was beating blue belts, but purples had my number.

Take that for whatever it's worth.

i wasnt D1 level but after a few months of GI training I liked it and used it.If u are a good wrestler and u put GI on and just wrestle u will have trouble.You have to use it as well Not just defend it.When i grappled people I wouldnt be like oh crap we are in GI Im scared ( of same guy I just grappled no GI )

No doubt. I started feeling really comfortable with the gi after about a month.

I can see JBJ getting comfortable as well and start taking off. I am sure his learning curve is off the charts. But, Put a Gi on him for the first time like I said, He'll be helpless if you ask me.

what belt are u ? do u think u can beat Jones in GI ? helpless ? I doubt u have even ever grappled ? ya Jon Jones the same guy who choked blackbelt Machada a sleep and subbed Vitor would be like a deer Like a Bambi in a GI ? R u like a purple belt who wants to believe somehow with a GI u could beat Jones ?

check a previous post, he said in prime he would beat Jones in the gi, and that Jones might be a bluey. Wonder if Jones could hang with all the blue belts that used to proliferate this board and think they were bad.

lol Im a purple and I know JOnes would kill me GI or NO GI ? I get it he wants to tell his friends that with a GI he could beat Jones
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hermanitor - Jones is not close to a black belt in jiu jitsu. His classic jiu jitsu is not particularly good.

He IS however a VERY good/excellent overall grappler. His wrestling, Positioning, and Ground and Pound are more than a match for ANYONE on the ground.

I do think however, that he can fall into traps set by BJJ players, because he doesn't formally play that game.

His armbar escape in this fight was indeed technically wrong, and he appears how have hyperextended his arm at the elbow. Technically you are supposed to stack the opponent, not pull out, which only completes the armbar. Tim Sylvia made this *exact* same mistake against Frnak Mur. No one was claiming big Tim was black belt caliber.

I think Jones IS at risk for losing via. armbar to a technical formal jiu jitsu player. This fight shows a real issue. A better BJJ player than Vitor might finish that submission. Jones does leave his arms out a bit too much.

So yeah. Jones is a black belt in grappling, but not a black belt in BJJ.

Am I the only one that finds the following combination of things to be ironic? Oh, the ironing.

1. Vitor has been a BJJ BB for like 20 years

2. Vitor had Jones in a deep armbar

3. Jones, the rankless grappler, used an improper escape to get out of the long time BB tight arm bar

4. Jones, the rankless grappler, then later submits the long time BJJ guy.

5. A better BJJ guy than Vitor would have had the sub. (Are you saying Vitor is a bad black belt? Perhaps he is, but so are a lot of black belts then!)
9/23/12 10:50 PM
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hermanitor - Jones is not close to a black belt in jiu jitsu. His classic jiu jitsu is not particularly good.

He IS however a VERY good/excellent overall grappler. His wrestling, Positioning, and Ground and Pound are more than a match for ANYONE on the ground.

I do think however, that he can fall into traps set by BJJ players, because he doesn't formally play that game.

His armbar escape in this fight was indeed technically wrong, and he appears how have hyperextended his arm at the elbow. Technically you are supposed to stack the opponent, not pull out, which only completes the armbar. Tim Sylvia made this *exact* same mistake against Frnak Mur. No one was claiming big Tim was black belt caliber.

I think Jones IS at risk for losing via. armbar to a technical formal jiu jitsu player. This fight shows a real issue. A better BJJ player than Vitor might finish that submission. Jones does leave his arms out a bit too much.

So yeah. Jones is a black belt in grappling, but not a black belt in BJJ.

whats classic BJJ LMFAO

cut this his technique was wrong this wasnt a BJJmatch He could have slammed out of the armbar which in my opinion wasnt even close
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Smith1234 - If gi and no gi are so separate, why do many legit BJJ BBs say Hughes is black belt level. Including Joe Rogan himself.
I am a wrestling coach and only train No Gi (on and off since mid 90's). I have tapped brown belts and black belts at different gyms training no Gi
I don't care to devote the needed time to Gi classes / testing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the art and tradition of BJJ (and all grappling arts) but I don't think BJJ many purest feel that way about american folkstyle / catch-as-catch can wrestling. Phone Post

I got a question for you...be honest.hehe
Have you ever trained in a Gi before ever? what was your experience like? I have heard from many..but want to hear from someone else who has schooled many BJJ Black Belts and Brown..No-Gi. Thanks
I first started grappling (1994-95) in the FSU combatives room in the basement of fully gym. There was a BJJ brown (Dustin, i forgot his last name) belt under the Silvera brothers in Miami. Anyway I was a 19 year old rookie and took many lumps as I started to learn grappling. He owned / wore a Gi and the rest of us did not.

In the late 90's I threw on a Gi a few times at Marcio Simas school in Orlando, I never liked it (felt claustrophobic, lol) but had good enough base to stop sweeps and not get submitted.

the high school I Coached at in 2000-01 was down the street from Din Thomas gym, I rolled there with some tough cats while Din was training for his BJ Penn fight.

More recently I have trained at the Jungle in Orlando and have been able to submit everyone I've rolled with other then Tom Lawlor, that guy is one tough fucking nut (what do you expect he is a wrestler, lol...). Phone Post
9/23/12 10:53 PM
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Chael did the right defense against the Silva triangle -- so that is better than a Rampage - Arona slam.

The BJJ guys prolly criticise Rampage and congratualte Chael....
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I clicked on a thread called is 'Jon Jones black belt level' on the app, and all I see is gif porn.

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^^ you must surf a lot of porn so they plugged it in for you as an ad or popup or something. More power to you, bro.
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Smith1234 - Didn't Rickson himself say a non-BJJ guy who was world class wrestler was his toughest guy to sub in no gi grappling?

That match is on youtube I believe. It's one of those "Gracie in action" tapes. The guy was a wrestler, Div I champ I believe, and pretty damn big. He sat in Rickson's guard and kept tight, hence the tough sub.
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BertR - mma is sport fighting, not real fighting. Stop thinking of mma as if it simulates a street fight or something. I'd rather be the best at bjj if i loved bjj than be the best at mma if i didn't care about mma. If you want to be the best at street fighting, study that.

mma doesn't simulate street fighting. it simulates fighting that is culturally conditioned to respecting rules and being non-lethal. Being the best mma fighter is like being the best at sparring. It can help in a street fight, but it doesn't replicate it or the mentality of someone who wishes to try to use lethal violence, weapons, etc. and actually attempts it.
As far as real world application (with no weapons involved or else any grappling arts take a back seat to Krav Maga type training) saying a BJJ style approach is superior to wrestling for survival is a matter of opinion. I am a firm believer in takedowns. being on top (especially when you considered street fights don't usually take place on a mat and your enemy / attacker / opponent might have 1 or more friends ready to join the party), to ground and pound TKO style quick hitter quitters. Knowing how to defend submissions coupled with superior takedown skills and heavy hands is a better formula the BJJ IMO. From what i can recall i have been in roughly 50 "street altercations" coming out on top of approx 90-95%. I will say the double leg lift / slam to GNP is highly effective against unarmed adversaries Phone Post
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Immaculata - You need to be proficient with the Gi to be a true BB. I don't know the extent of his training using one.

Matt Hughes never traned gi, but many legit people said he was BB level. Jones is nearing that Matt Hughes wrestler/grappler BB level as well.

I can appreciate that, but I stand by my statement. A true Black Belt is proficient in the Gi.

Jones in a GI without a GI would smash most BBs in BJJ.

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MoomBah -  I clicked on a thread called is 'Jon Jones black belt level' on the app, and all I see is gif porn.

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CAH CAH CAH COMBOBREAKER.
9/23/12 11:01 PM
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Smith1234 - Many people said Matt Hughes was black belt level grappling / BJJ even though he didn't have a formal rank.

I don't know what level Jones would be in pure BJJ, but his wrestling, top game and subs in MMA look black belt to me. Subbing multiple black belts in title fights is also pretty very telling and relevant IMO.

Greg should have someone give this man a black belt in something.

  no sir

many people did not say hughes was bb level

that was joe rogans wild ass yelling it


rogan says all kinds of shit that no one should EVER pay attention to. 
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Random Hero -  you guys are asking if hes a BB at BJJ the answer is no. then your saying he better at other sports like MMA and no gi sub wrestling when the topic is on BJJ in the gi. yes he is a black belt level at mma grappling and wrestling. hendrix had a black belt in playing the guitar. its an analogy. when hughes is said to have a black belt level ground game they werent talking about BJJ in the gi. although hughes probably wouldnt be far from it if he started training in the gi. yes i agree that wrestling is producing better MMA fighters but that not what were here to discuss. a BB beats bones in a BJJ tourny under BJJ rules in a gi.

what belt are you ? do u think u could beat Jones with GI ? Im purple belt in GI and I know damn well Jones would easilly beat me in GI

my rank has nothing to do with jones abilities. it doesnt take a BB to know jones isnt one. i couldnt touch him in a gi match but ive been around long enough to know what the gi does to grapplers who are not used to it, ive also seen wrestler come in and break off whites and blues but never a purple in the gi. jones who is a steller wrestler might be purple, but if you ask me, our brown belts beat him. hes getting swept and choked. its honestly just too hard to say how good he is in a gi if hes never been in one. but all i can tell you is hes not a white belt or a black belt. there is just no way you can be a black belt level in a gi if youv never trained in it. its what makes this sport different from no gi and wrestling. whitebelts are gonna be showing him things hes never seen before. 

by the way... i rarely ever make it into the UG im usually on the otherside. but the lack of name calling and personal attacks on this thread are a nice change. its great discussing your opinions against others and not having it turn into who can yell the loudest lol
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Smith1234 - If gi and no gi are so separate, why do many legit BJJ BBs say Hughes is black belt level. Including Joe Rogan himself.
I am a wrestling coach and only train No Gi (on and off since mid 90's). I have tapped brown belts and black belts at different gyms training no Gi
I don't care to devote the needed time to Gi classes / testing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the art and tradition of BJJ (and all grappling arts) but I don't think BJJ many purest feel that way about american folkstyle / catch-as-catch can wrestling. Phone Post

I got a question for you...be honest.hehe
Have you ever trained in a Gi before ever? what was your experience like? I have heard from many..but want to hear from someone else who has schooled many BJJ Black Belts and Brown..No-Gi. Thanks
I first started grappling (1994-95) in the FSU combatives room in the basement of fully gym. There was a BJJ brown (Dustin, i forgot his last name) belt under the Silvera brothers in Miami. Anyway I was a 19 year old rookie and took many lumps as I started to learn grappling. He owned / wore a Gi and the rest of us did not.

In the late 90's I threw on a Gi a few times at Marcio Simas school in Orlando, I never liked it (felt claustrophobic, lol) but had good enough base to stop sweeps and not get submitted.

the high school I Coached at in 2000-01 was down the street from Din Thomas gym, I rolled there with some tough cats while Din was training for his BJ Penn fight.

More recently I have trained at the Jungle in Orlando and have been able to submit everyone I've rolled with other then Tom Lawlor, that guy is one tough fucking nut (what do you expect he is a wrestler, lol...). Phone Post

Tom Lawlor is great. I went against him back in 2004 in the advanced and I believe I was the only guy that lost to him by points. He submitted the other 2 with a heel hook and toe hold.
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branchdavidian - "Didn't Rickson himself say a non-BJJ guy who was world class wrestler was his toughest guy to sub in no gi grappling?"

yup - Mark Schultz said he was tapped twice in about 40mins

great read:
http://www.onthemat.com/node/1011898

and another:
http://www.jiujitsuforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=7705

/hijack

great reads Especially all the street fight stories.I was told Ryan beat Macaco in a fair fight
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Smith1234 - If gi and no gi are so separate, why do many legit BJJ BBs say Hughes is black belt level. Including Joe Rogan himself.
I am a wrestling coach and only train No Gi (on and off since mid 90's). I have tapped brown belts and black belts at different gyms training no Gi
I don't care to devote the needed time to Gi classes / testing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the art and tradition of BJJ (and all grappling arts) but I don't think BJJ many purest feel that way about american folkstyle / catch-as-catch can wrestling. Phone Post

I got a question for you...be honest.hehe
Have you ever trained in a Gi before ever? what was your experience like? I have heard from many..but want to hear from someone else who has schooled many BJJ Black Belts and Brown..No-Gi. Thanks
I first started grappling (1994-95) in the FSU combatives room in the basement of fully gym. There was a BJJ brown (Dustin, i forgot his last name) belt under the Silvera brothers in Miami. Anyway I was a 19 year old rookie and took many lumps as I started to learn grappling. He owned / wore a Gi and the rest of us did not.

In the late 90's I threw on a Gi a few times at Marcio Simas school in Orlando, I never liked it (felt claustrophobic, lol) but had good enough base to stop sweeps and not get submitted.

the high school I Coached at in 2000-01 was down the street from Din Thomas gym, I rolled there with some tough cats while Din was training for his BJ Penn fight.

More recently I have trained at the Jungle in Orlando and have been able to submit everyone I've rolled with other then Tom Lawlor, that guy is one tough fucking nut (what do you expect he is a wrestler, lol...). Phone Post

Tom Lawlor is great. I went against him back in 2004 in the advanced and I believe I was the only guy that lost to him by points. He submitted the other 2 with a heel hook and toe hold.

So Tom Lawler in 2004 could beat you in BJJ, but current Jon Jones can't? Wow.....
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Random Hero -  you guys are asking if hes a BB at BJJ the answer is no. then your saying he better at other sports like MMA and no gi sub wrestling when the topic is on BJJ in the gi. yes he is a black belt level at mma grappling and wrestling. hendrix had a black belt in playing the guitar. its an analogy. when hughes is said to have a black belt level ground game they werent talking about BJJ in the gi. although hughes probably wouldnt be far from it if he started training in the gi. yes i agree that wrestling is producing better MMA fighters but that not what were here to discuss. a BB beats bones in a BJJ tourny under BJJ rules in a gi.

what belt are you ? do u think u could beat Jones with GI ? Im purple belt in GI and I know damn well Jones would easilly beat me in GI

my rank has nothing to do with jones abilities. it doesnt take a BB to know jones isnt one. i couldnt touch him in a gi match but ive been around long enough to know what the gi does to grapplers who are not used to it, ive also seen wrestler come in and break off whites and blues but never a purple in the gi. jones who is a steller wrestler might be purple, but if you ask me, our brown belts beat him. hes getting swept and choked. its honestly just too hard to say how good he is in a gi if hes never been in one. but all i can tell you is hes not a white belt or a black belt. there is just no way you can be a black belt level in a gi if youv never trained in it. its what makes this sport different from no gi and wrestling. whitebelts are gonna be showing him things hes never seen before. 

by the way... i rarely ever make it into the UG im usually on the otherside. but the lack of name calling and personal attacks on this thread are a nice change. its great discussing your opinions against others and not having it turn into who can yell the loudest lol

not sure where u train and Ive trained at great schools But disagree.
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Smith1234 - If gi and no gi are so separate, why do many legit BJJ BBs say Hughes is black belt level. Including Joe Rogan himself.
I am a wrestling coach and only train No Gi (on and off since mid 90's). I have tapped brown belts and black belts at different gyms training no Gi
I don't care to devote the needed time to Gi classes / testing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the art and tradition of BJJ (and all grappling arts) but I don't think BJJ many purest feel that way about american folkstyle / catch-as-catch can wrestling. Phone Post

I got a question for you...be honest.hehe
Have you ever trained in a Gi before ever? what was your experience like? I have heard from many..but want to hear from someone else who has schooled many BJJ Black Belts and Brown..No-Gi. Thanks
I first started grappling (1994-95) in the FSU combatives room in the basement of fully gym. There was a BJJ brown (Dustin, i forgot his last name) belt under the Silvera brothers in Miami. Anyway I was a 19 year old rookie and took many lumps as I started to learn grappling. He owned / wore a Gi and the rest of us did not.

In the late 90's I threw on a Gi a few times at Marcio Simas school in Orlando, I never liked it (felt claustrophobic, lol) but had good enough base to stop sweeps and not get submitted.

the high school I Coached at in 2000-01 was down the street from Din Thomas gym, I rolled there with some tough cats while Din was training for his BJ Penn fight.

More recently I have trained at the Jungle in Orlando and have been able to submit everyone I've rolled with other then Tom Lawlor, that guy is one tough fucking nut (what do you expect he is a wrestler, lol...). Phone Post

Tom Lawlor is great. I went against him back in 2004 in the advanced and I believe I was the only guy that lost to him by points. He submitted the other 2 with a heel hook and toe hold.

So Tom Lawler in 2004 could beat you in BJJ, but current Jon Jones can't? Wow.....

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hermanitor - Jones is not close to a black belt in jiu jitsu. His classic jiu jitsu is not particularly good.

He IS however a VERY good/excellent overall grappler. His wrestling, Positioning, and Ground and Pound are more than a match for ANYONE on the ground.

I do think however, that he can fall into traps set by BJJ players, because he doesn't formally play that game.

His armbar escape in this fight was indeed technically wrong, and he appears how have hyperextended his arm at the elbow. Technically you are supposed to stack the opponent, not pull out, which only completes the armbar. Tim Sylvia made this *exact* same mistake against Frnak Mur. No one was claiming big Tim was black belt caliber.

I think Jones IS at risk for losing via. armbar to a technical formal jiu jitsu player. This fight shows a real issue. A better BJJ player than Vitor might finish that submission. Jones does leave his arms out a bit too much.

So yeah. Jones is a black belt in grappling, but not a black belt in BJJ.

Am I the only one that finds the following combination of things to be ironic? Oh, the ironing.

1. Vitor has been a BJJ BB for like 20 years

2. Vitor had Jones in a deep armbar

3. Jones, the rankless grappler, used an improper escape to get out of the long time BB tight arm bar

4. Jones, the rankless grappler, then later submits the long time BJJ guy.

5. A better BJJ guy than Vitor would have had the sub. (Are you saying Vitor is a bad black belt? Perhaps he is, but so are a lot of black belts then!)

his technique in an MMA fight was not incorrect He could have slammed his way out which is illegal in BJJ.But he got out and IMO wasnt even near being subbed
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Smith1234 - If gi and no gi are so separate, why do many legit BJJ BBs say Hughes is black belt level. Including Joe Rogan himself.
I am a wrestling coach and only train No Gi (on and off since mid 90's). I have tapped brown belts and black belts at different gyms training no Gi
I don't care to devote the needed time to Gi classes / testing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the art and tradition of BJJ (and all grappling arts) but I don't think BJJ many purest feel that way about american folkstyle / catch-as-catch can wrestling. Phone Post

I got a question for you...be honest.hehe
Have you ever trained in a Gi before ever? what was your experience like? I have heard from many..but want to hear from someone else who has schooled many BJJ Black Belts and Brown..No-Gi. Thanks
I first started grappling (1994-95) in the FSU combatives room in the basement of fully gym. There was a BJJ brown (Dustin, i forgot his last name) belt under the Silvera brothers in Miami. Anyway I was a 19 year old rookie and took many lumps as I started to learn grappling. He owned / wore a Gi and the rest of us did not.

In the late 90's I threw on a Gi a few times at Marcio Simas school in Orlando, I never liked it (felt claustrophobic, lol) but had good enough base to stop sweeps and not get submitted.

the high school I Coached at in 2000-01 was down the street from Din Thomas gym, I rolled there with some tough cats while Din was training for his BJ Penn fight.

More recently I have trained at the Jungle in Orlando and have been able to submit everyone I've rolled with other then Tom Lawlor, that guy is one tough fucking nut (what do you expect he is a wrestler, lol...). Phone Post

Tom Lawlor is great. I went against him back in 2004 in the advanced and I believe I was the only guy that lost to him by points. He submitted the other 2 with a heel hook and toe hold.
Nice..... 2004 wow Tom must have been right out of college. He is way more versed in the ways of the Jedi now...
Im glad he gave up teaching to train full time and chase his dreams. He and Rich Franklin are my heroes, lol... Phone Post
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Smith1234 - If gi and no gi are so separate, why do many legit BJJ BBs say Hughes is black belt level. Including Joe Rogan himself.
I am a wrestling coach and only train No Gi (on and off since mid 90's). I have tapped brown belts and black belts at different gyms training no Gi
I don't care to devote the needed time to Gi classes / testing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the art and tradition of BJJ (and all grappling arts) but I don't think BJJ many purest feel that way about american folkstyle / catch-as-catch can wrestling. Phone Post

I got a question for you...be honest.hehe
Have you ever trained in a Gi before ever? what was your experience like? I have heard from many..but want to hear from someone else who has schooled many BJJ Black Belts and Brown..No-Gi. Thanks
I first started grappling (1994-95) in the FSU combatives room in the basement of fully gym. There was a BJJ brown (Dustin, i forgot his last name) belt under the Silvera brothers in Miami. Anyway I was a 19 year old rookie and took many lumps as I started to learn grappling. He owned / wore a Gi and the rest of us did not.

In the late 90's I threw on a Gi a few times at Marcio Simas school in Orlando, I never liked it (felt claustrophobic, lol) but had good enough base to stop sweeps and not get submitted.

the high school I Coached at in 2000-01 was down the street from Din Thomas gym, I rolled there with some tough cats while Din was training for his BJ Penn fight.

More recently I have trained at the Jungle in Orlando and have been able to submit everyone I've rolled with other then Tom Lawlor, that guy is one tough fucking nut (what do you expect he is a wrestler, lol...). Phone Post

Tom Lawlor is great. I went against him back in 2004 in the advanced and I believe I was the only guy that lost to him by points. He submitted the other 2 with a heel hook and toe hold.

So Tom Lawler in 2004 could beat you in BJJ, but current Jon Jones can't? Wow.....

this ( sorry )
This...

Let's be real here fellas. World class fighters like Jon Jones are a different breed then 99.999% of the BJJ practitioners out there...
The mystical aura is fading in the MMA world / consumer market... Phone Post
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Smith1234 - If gi and no gi are so separate, why do many legit BJJ BBs say Hughes is black belt level. Including Joe Rogan himself.
I am a wrestling coach and only train No Gi (on and off since mid 90's). I have tapped brown belts and black belts at different gyms training no Gi
I don't care to devote the needed time to Gi classes / testing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the art and tradition of BJJ (and all grappling arts) but I don't think BJJ many purest feel that way about american folkstyle / catch-as-catch can wrestling. Phone Post

I got a question for you...be honest.hehe
Have you ever trained in a Gi before ever? what was your experience like? I have heard from many..but want to hear from someone else who has schooled many BJJ Black Belts and Brown..No-Gi. Thanks
I first started grappling (1994-95) in the FSU combatives room in the basement of fully gym. There was a BJJ brown (Dustin, i forgot his last name) belt under the Silvera brothers in Miami. Anyway I was a 19 year old rookie and took many lumps as I started to learn grappling. He owned / wore a Gi and the rest of us did not.

In the late 90's I threw on a Gi a few times at Marcio Simas school in Orlando, I never liked it (felt claustrophobic, lol) but had good enough base to stop sweeps and not get submitted.

the high school I Coached at in 2000-01 was down the street from Din Thomas gym, I rolled there with some tough cats while Din was training for his BJ Penn fight.

More recently I have trained at the Jungle in Orlando and have been able to submit everyone I've rolled with other then Tom Lawlor, that guy is one tough fucking nut (what do you expect he is a wrestler, lol...). Phone Post

Tom Lawlor is great. I went against him back in 2004 in the advanced and I believe I was the only guy that lost to him by points. He submitted the other 2 with a heel hook and toe hold.

So Tom Lawler in 2004 could beat you in BJJ, but current Jon Jones can't? Wow.....

No Gi Brotha. :)

Remember, were talking about Jones putting on a GI for the first time. Yea, I would win at least by points. Sweeps with a gi is totally different than without a gi.

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