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10/11/12 6:33 PM
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By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey. The eight-time World Series of Poker champion has made millions of dollars throughout his gambling career, but at the moment he could be more than $10 million short.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Ivey recently won $11.7 million playing a game called Punto Blanco at Crockford’s, an upscale casino in London. The game involves no skill and is simply won and lost by the cards the dealer hands out, and Crockfords is reportedly witholding the money Ivey won on the game after he went on a massive heater.

Ivey requested that the money be deposited into his bank account, but Crockfords has only returned his original bankroll of $1.6 million. The Daily Mail reported that Phil initially lost $800,000 when he began playing the game but then he and a female companion went on a two-night hot streak. The lady with whom he was gambling reportedly had her membership revoked by another casino.

Investigators have flown to London to speak with employees from Crockfords and review surveillance cameras. Ivey and his lady friend reportedly never touched the cards, and the situation is said to have turned into an “increasingly tense stand-off” with lawyers from both sides working to sort through it.

Could Ivey and his friend have worked together to win $11.7 million at a game of chance? Unfortunately, I know nothing about Punto Blanco or cheating a casino and I only understand crazy bets like this one and this one, so I can’t say. One one hand you can see why the casino would be suspicious. On the other you have to wonder how Ivey would have pulled off such a job.

10/14/12 8:34 PM
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Gptta love casinos- "there's no possible way anyone can win without cheating"

Fuck them. I hope Ivey's lawyers rape rape them..

10/16/12 8:11 PM
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Gptta love casinos- "there's no possible way anyone can win without cheating"

Fuck them. I hope Ivey's lawyers rape rape them..


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10/31/12 5:44 PM
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By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey. The eight-time World Series of Poker champion has made millions of dollars throughout his gambling career, but at the moment he could be more than $10 million short.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Ivey recently won $11.7 million playing a game called Punto Blanco at Crockford’s, an upscale casino in London. The game involves no skill and is simply won and lost by the cards the dealer hands out, and Crockfords is reportedly witholding the money Ivey won on the game after he went on a massive heater.

Ivey requested that the money be deposited into his bank account, but Crockfords has only returned his original bankroll of $1.6 million. The Daily Mail reported that Phil initially lost $800,000 when he began playing the game but then he and a female companion went on a two-night hot streak. The lady with whom he was gambling reportedly had her membership revoked by another casino.

Investigators have flown to London to speak with employees from Crockfords and review surveillance cameras. Ivey and his lady friend reportedly never touched the cards, and the situation is said to have turned into an “increasingly tense stand-off” with lawyers from both sides working to sort through it.

Could Ivey and his friend have worked together to win $11.7 million at a game of chance? Unfortunately, I know nothing about Punto Blanco or cheating a casino and I only understand crazy bets like this one and this one, so I can’t say. One one hand you can see why the casino would be suspicious. On the other you have to wonder how Ivey would have pulled off such a job.


"By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."

Unless hes had a sponsorship deal with one of them--only one I can think of is Iveys room at Aria--when have casinos paid him?

I doubt hes a long term winner at craps and other pit games, and the cash games he wins at arent paid for by the casinos. Even tournaments hes entered havent really been a case where the casino was paying him--the money comes from the prize pool--unless there was an overlay (unlikely).

My point is that the millions he´s won is from poker, which is lumped in unfairly I think with table games when they write that "casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."
11/22/12 12:38 AM
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By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey. The eight-time World Series of Poker champion has made millions of dollars throughout his gambling career, but at the moment he could be more than $10 million short.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Ivey recently won $11.7 million playing a game called Punto Blanco at Crockford’s, an upscale casino in London. The game involves no skill and is simply won and lost by the cards the dealer hands out, and Crockfords is reportedly witholding the money Ivey won on the game after he went on a massive heater.

Ivey requested that the money be deposited into his bank account, but Crockfords has only returned his original bankroll of $1.6 million. The Daily Mail reported that Phil initially lost $800,000 when he began playing the game but then he and a female companion went on a two-night hot streak. The lady with whom he was gambling reportedly had her membership revoked by another casino.

Investigators have flown to London to speak with employees from Crockfords and review surveillance cameras. Ivey and his lady friend reportedly never touched the cards, and the situation is said to have turned into an “increasingly tense stand-off” with lawyers from both sides working to sort through it.

Could Ivey and his friend have worked together to win $11.7 million at a game of chance? Unfortunately, I know nothing about Punto Blanco or cheating a casino and I only understand crazy bets like this one and this one, so I can’t say. One one hand you can see why the casino would be suspicious. On the other you have to wonder how Ivey would have pulled off such a job.


"By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."

Unless hes had a sponsorship deal with one of them--only one I can think of is Iveys room at Aria--when have casinos paid him?

I doubt hes a long term winner at craps and other pit games, and the cash games he wins at arent paid for by the casinos. Even tournaments hes entered havent really been a case where the casino was paying him--the money comes from the prize pool--unless there was an overlay (unlikely).

My point is that the millions he´s won is from poker, which is lumped in unfairly I think with table games when they write that "casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."

I only know a few pro blackjack players, but they are getting comps all over the place.

I assume being a propoker player you get more?
11/22/12 5:52 AM
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By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey. The eight-time World Series of Poker champion has made millions of dollars throughout his gambling career, but at the moment he could be more than $10 million short.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Ivey recently won $11.7 million playing a game called Punto Blanco at Crockford’s, an upscale casino in London. The game involves no skill and is simply won and lost by the cards the dealer hands out, and Crockfords is reportedly witholding the money Ivey won on the game after he went on a massive heater.

Ivey requested that the money be deposited into his bank account, but Crockfords has only returned his original bankroll of $1.6 million. The Daily Mail reported that Phil initially lost $800,000 when he began playing the game but then he and a female companion went on a two-night hot streak. The lady with whom he was gambling reportedly had her membership revoked by another casino.

Investigators have flown to London to speak with employees from Crockfords and review surveillance cameras. Ivey and his lady friend reportedly never touched the cards, and the situation is said to have turned into an “increasingly tense stand-off” with lawyers from both sides working to sort through it.

Could Ivey and his friend have worked together to win $11.7 million at a game of chance? Unfortunately, I know nothing about Punto Blanco or cheating a casino and I only understand crazy bets like this one and this one, so I can’t say. One one hand you can see why the casino would be suspicious. On the other you have to wonder how Ivey would have pulled off such a job.


"By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."

Unless hes had a sponsorship deal with one of them--only one I can think of is Iveys room at Aria--when have casinos paid him?

I doubt hes a long term winner at craps and other pit games, and the cash games he wins at arent paid for by the casinos. Even tournaments hes entered havent really been a case where the casino was paying him--the money comes from the prize pool--unless there was an overlay (unlikely).

My point is that the millions he´s won is from poker, which is lumped in unfairly I think with table games when they write that "casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."

I only know a few pro blackjack players, but they are getting comps all over the place.

I assume being a propoker player you get more?
Poker doesn't make much money for casinos, although having a name like Ivey attached to a poker room (Aria) probably attracts some gamblers who will play pit games as much as poker. Phone Post
11/23/12 12:56 PM
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BTW, has this been resolved? MY work filter won't allow poker sites.

1/23/13 1:03 PM
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By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey. The eight-time World Series of Poker champion has made millions of dollars throughout his gambling career, but at the moment he could be more than $10 million short.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Ivey recently won $11.7 million playing a game called Punto Blanco at Crockford’s, an upscale casino in London. The game involves no skill and is simply won and lost by the cards the dealer hands out, and Crockfords is reportedly witholding the money Ivey won on the game after he went on a massive heater.

Ivey requested that the money be deposited into his bank account, but Crockfords has only returned his original bankroll of $1.6 million. The Daily Mail reported that Phil initially lost $800,000 when he began playing the game but then he and a female companion went on a two-night hot streak. The lady with whom he was gambling reportedly had her membership revoked by another casino.

Investigators have flown to London to speak with employees from Crockfords and review surveillance cameras. Ivey and his lady friend reportedly never touched the cards, and the situation is said to have turned into an “increasingly tense stand-off” with lawyers from both sides working to sort through it.

Could Ivey and his friend have worked together to win $11.7 million at a game of chance? Unfortunately, I know nothing about Punto Blanco or cheating a casino and I only understand crazy bets like this one and this one, so I can’t say. One one hand you can see why the casino would be suspicious. On the other you have to wonder how Ivey would have pulled off such a job.


"By now, you would think casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."

Unless hes had a sponsorship deal with one of them--only one I can think of is Iveys room at Aria--when have casinos paid him?

I doubt hes a long term winner at craps and other pit games, and the cash games he wins at arent paid for by the casinos. Even tournaments hes entered havent really been a case where the casino was paying him--the money comes from the prize pool--unless there was an overlay (unlikely).

My point is that the millions he´s won is from poker, which is lumped in unfairly I think with table games when they write that "casinos are used to paying Phil Ivey."

I only know a few pro blackjack players, but they are getting comps all over the place.

I assume being a propoker player you get more?

Pretty sure Ivey is a known "hit n runner" when he has large wins in table games.

5/27/14 4:31 AM
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You can hit and run all day but the casinos still have an advantage. I know a guy that turned $15k into $700k playing black jack. Casinos don't care. They comp'ed im like crazy. Eventually he lost it all back.
5/27/14 4:35 AM
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FWIW, last month Borgata Casino filed a lawsuit against Ivey for $9.6 million for cheating at baccarat. I don't see how they can possibly win. He found a way to beat the game due to flawed decks. Seems to me the onus should have been on the casino to utilize decks that wouldn't give Ivey information that could help Ivey beat the game.

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