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10/17/12 1:58 AM
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Are they serious? This sounds like a bad idea. Please share your thoughts & opinions in this thread.

The Rules (sourced from MMAJunkie article):
- Four fighters total in the cage (two teams of 2, all fighting at once-- not a tag team set up)

- Two refs

- No knees, no elbows

- 5 Min rounds; 1min rest between rounds

- Once a fighter is finished, he has one minute to leave the cage. If he cannot leave in one minute the other team wins

- If the finished fighter can leave, IT BECOMES A TWO-ON-ONE FIGHT until the fight ends

- UNLIMITED ROUNDS until finish occurs

- [edit to add*] Weight classes are based upon a teams COMBINED WEIGHT. Not individual fighter weights: "a 300-pound fighter could be paired with a 125-pound fighter and qualify for middleweight."


I love MMA and even dig that vale tudo event in Brazil (the name escapes me now), but think this is approaching bumfights or felony fights type of rules.


Am I crazy, or is this bad news for the sport of MMA? And then the promoter says "the last thing I want to do is bring anything less than pride to this sport."

???
10/17/12 1:59 AM
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Chance Farrar (the promoter & ex fighter)-- I'm sure you read the UG. Care to jump on this thread and share any additional info for those that may not read the MMAJunkie article?
10/17/12 2:27 AM
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holy shit...

i think i saw a 3 man fight before in some weird circular pit. it was strange

this will be exciting and a spectacle but the idea of it getting into a 2 vs 1 situation is fucking horrible
10/17/12 2:31 AM
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This is the dumbest idea of all time and will never happen.
10/17/12 2:49 AM
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Awful idea.

10/17/12 2:57 AM
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maybe i'm just drunk, but this sounds awesome
10/17/12 3:50 AM
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Billy Yank -  That is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

It's worse than the "jump to conclusions mat." Phone Post

Yeah man, that's what I'm thinking.

& lol @ the Office Space resets. haha
10/17/12 3:55 AM
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chalice - maybe i'm just drunk, but this sounds awesome

Thanks for being honest. And truth be told, 10yrs ago, I probably would've been excited to watch it. Even more real, if you posted a link saying "watch this 2x2 mma fight" i'd click it and watch it-- I still watch street fight vids. But I'd never pay for that stuff.

The damage it could have for MMA in the US seems as like a real possibility, and it's deffo more like a bum fight / felony fight than something mma athletes should be competing in.

10/17/12 6:02 AM
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ttt

WEC vet plans two-on-two MMA fights for upcoming Desert Rage event

Chance Farrar grew up with a bunch of brothers and thinks he's found a way to make MMA more exciting: add more bodies.

The WEC vet and promoter of Desert Rage Full Contact Fighting is holding an event that features two-on-two MMA fights.

"We started trying it in the gym, and it's been successful," he told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "It's nothing short of controlled chaos, but exciting. You can't predict what's going to happen."

The event, "Desert Rage 11: Revenge at Paradise," takes place Oct. 20 at Paradise Casino in Yuma, Ariz.

Farrar, who is semiretired, said the fights will be contested under the Unified Rules of MMA with the exception of no elbows and knees allowed. Two referees will corral a foursome in a 30-foot cage.

Things get even more interesting when a combatant is stopped by strikes, submission, or referee stoppage. Farrar said a one-minute rest is called to give officials time to remove the eliminated fighter, and the round then resumes.

The fight ends, obviously, when one sides loses both fighters. If an eliminated fighter is unable to leave the cage within the one-minute period, the other side wins by forfeit. Rounds will be five minutes each with a one-minute rest period between each round, as with standard pro MMA bouts. But Farrar said there will be no limit to how many rounds a fight can go.

As far as weight classes, a team's collective bulk is added together to classify their division. The lightweight class is 350 pounds and under; middleweight is 425 pounds and under; and heavyweights tip the scales at 500 pounds and under.

Farrar said the individual weights of each team don't matter, so, in theory, a 300-pound fighter could be paired with a 125-pound fighter and qualify for middleweight.

During his first experiments with the multi-opponent format, Farrar said fighter teams initially found themselves cornered inside the cage. Later, they worked to create distance from each other, in effect creating two individual fights during the action. Nevertheless, the action was always decisive.

"This fight does not last," he said. "That's why I'm bringing it to Desert Rage. I think the fans want to see it."

Farrar created Desert Rage Full Contact Fighting in 2007. A former border patrol sniper and sometime pro fighter in San Diego, he moved back to Arizona and became the owner of the Arizona Athletic Club where UFC vets Edgar Garcia and Efrain Escudero trained.

In a 2011 lawsuit, Bellator Fighting Championships sued Farrar, a former consultant, for interfering with its business in promoting a Desert Rage Event close to a Bellator event, among other claims. Faraar called the lawsuit "frivolous" and said it was dismissed.

"That definitely put a dent in my drive, because that's not my day job," he said. "That's all in the past now. I'm just trying to have a good time with this, and I think this show is going to brand our name."

A fight card emailed to MMAjunkie.com shows a two-on-two bout already booked for the event, which he expects to put on YouTube. He said four more teams have volunteered to compete at his next show.

Still, the 37-year-old Farrar said he encountered skepticism about the new format from the gaming commission that oversees the Paradise Casino, but sold them on the idea. He didn't approach the Arizona Boxing Commission, which oversees combat sports in the state but doesn't have sovereignty over the venue.

"People are trying to pawn it off as some kind of gang fight," he said. "That's not the case. The people fighting at this time are … the lower level guys that are crazy enough to attempt it.

"I'm a huge MMA fan and the last thing I want to do is bring anything less than pride to this sport. But I do believe that there's a lot of merit, and it's definitely not a tag-team. People want to paint it as a sideshow. That's definitely not the case. This is a serious fight, and there's a lot of team aspects that are added that are exciting."

Although he noted that he wasn't required to staff the event as would a commission-run show, Farrar said an ambulance and cageside doctor would be present at the show, and fighters would be tested for communicable diseases. He added the fights would be considered pro despite not reporting the outcome of team bouts to official record keepers.

"In our opinion, it's actually safer than a one-on-one fight," he said. "There's no elevated risk to the fighters. There's no blow that they could sustain in a two-on-two that they couldn't sustain in a one-on-one."

 

10/17/12 7:11 AM
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Could be interesting? Phone Post
10/17/12 8:59 AM
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I'm down for this freakshow fight league! Phone Post
10/17/12 9:19 AM
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Yea this is a really bad idea.

10/17/12 10:46 AM
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as long as they're playing Slayer during the whole fight
10/17/12 12:23 PM
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Sounds "interesting"? Wait until someone dies or gets a very serious injury. And another black eye for the sport.

But what concerns me is that it is unlikely anyone involved in this has the ability to properly regulate it. It's unsanctioned so who knows who the refs are, the trainers, even the fighters. Too much can go wrong when the people involved don't know what they're doing.
10/17/12 12:35 PM
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Needs more X-TREME, imo..
Maybe give the competitors tasers, or have motocross bikes back flipping over the cage.
10/17/12 12:38 PM
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4 men entah, 2 men leave (well maybe just one)
10/17/12 1:07 PM
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I'm excited to see this! But ya, it is not "good for the sport". Tag team MMA can be safe and cool, but tornado elimination rules seems pretty dangerous. I'm excited to see the combinations of fighters. Reem & Mighty Mouse vs Cung Le and Vanderlei, who wins?
10/17/12 1:20 PM
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Doesn't bother me. I'd check it out.
10/17/12 2:14 PM
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What the fuck? How can something like this get sanctioned? I mean the idea of a 2 on 1 situation is ridiculous! Phone Post
10/17/12 2:36 PM
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Evzey -  What the fuck? How can something like this get sanctioned? I mean the idea of a 2 on 1 situation is ridiculous! Phone Post

And they are going to delay an unconscious/injured fighter's medical treatment for a minute while the other 3 guys are still fighting.
10/17/12 3:12 PM
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I'm excited to see the combinations of fighters. Reem & Mighty Mouse vs Cung Le and Vanderlei, who wins?


Oh, that's right... I forgot to mention this absurdity-- the weight classes for a team is based upon COMBINED WEIGHT. Not individual fighter's weights.


Quoting the article again: "a 300-pound fighter could be paired with a 125-pound fighter and qualify for middleweight."
10/17/12 3:18 PM
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building upon the last post...

So by the rules, you could hypothetically have a situation where two 212lb fighters are teaming up on a 125lb fighter if his 300lb partner gets finished first.


WTF
10/18/12 4:11 AM
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I'd like to see two flyweights vs one heavyweight.
10/18/12 4:38 AM
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Will all 4 fighters be armed with broken beer bottles?

10/18/12 5:05 AM
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What am I even doing inside this thread.

I mean come on.. Why dont you just throw in some good old chairs, and some managers that catch the attention of the referees etc - hello WWE!!

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