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It's a great book. Kindle version is $10

I read it back to back with Arnie's, which is even more awesome.

Buy them both!
10/21/12 6:08 AM
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Ch. 6 Japan

In the winter of 1994 Frank moved to a dojo in Kanagawa Prefecture to finish the training for his first fight in the Pancrase organization. There was a very Spartan routine he and the rest of the boys and fighters would follow that primarily consisted of training (mostly conditioning), eating, and cleaning. Frank talks about the origins of how Pancrase came about, the rules, and how Karl Gotch was the primary inspiration for the of fighting. He mentions how much more than Ken he liked and respected his new trainer Masaru Funaki because he knew how to communicate better.

Even though English is taught as a second language in Japan, none of the Japanese boys he lived with spoke it due to their rural lower class upbringing. Frank said he felt more isolated here than in prison because he had no one to talk to. There was heavy drinking after each of the fights and in Japanese culture you are not allowed to refuse a drink if offered one. Because it was mostly young boys in the dojo, there would be a lot of goofing off on these night. Unfortunately, one evening one of the young boys had climbed up on to a support beam, fell down, broke his neck, and died. After that incident there was a picture of the boy hung in the dojo, so the fighters would bow to it before starting every training session.

Frank was told to be ready to fight on 12/18/94, though he wasn't told against who until a little while before the fight. He was matched up against a highly ranked Dutch fighter named Bas Rutten, who also happened to outweigh Frank by about 20 pounds. It would be one of the tournament bouts to crown the first Pancrase champion. Frank felt terrified and as soon as he got his hands on Bas his fears were confirmed. He noted how much different Bas body was than his in terms of strength and density. He noted how much trash talking Bas was doing during their fight, but later on realized he was talking to himself.

Frank ended up winning the fight, a huge upset, but not without getting his nose broken in the process. He lost his next fight via leg lock, but was instantly a superstar with his victory over Bas. Ken ended up winning the entire tournament that night. After the fights, as is tradition in Japan, the fighters went out drinking and singing karaoke. Frank and Bas quickly became friendly with one another.
10/21/12 6:44 AM
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Ch. 7 Pancrase and the Roots of MMA

Frank was now a Pancrase fighter and would fight every 6-8 weeks. In between fights he'd go back to the Lion's Den to train, and then 3-4 days out from fight night he'd go back to Japan to train and overcome his jet lag. It was at this time Bob asked Frank if he'd like to become his adopted son like Ken. Every month the organization would put $6000 into his bank account. He was also given a credit card to use. He talked about being a real martial artist and the honor that went along with that in Japan. They were essentially rock stars there.

He talks about his second fight, his fights against Funaki and Suzuki, his rematches against Bas, and his fight against Allen Goes, in which he fish hooked Frank's eye. He talks about how Funaki let him win their rematch, though he didn't know it at the time because he hadn't developed the skill level those guys had. He also has suspicions that Suzuki let him win their rematches, one of which Frank had become the King of Pancrase. He talked about a fight he had with a roided up Shibuya, where he had become dehydrated and licked the sweat off his opponent to rehydrate himself.

He briefly detailed Ken's transition away from the Lion's Den and fighting into the WWE and how he'd come to start running the gym. He talks in great depth of his fight against John Lober in Super Brawl and how it had changed him as a fighter and his approach to fighting in general.
10/21/12 7:06 AM
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10/21/12 7:29 AM
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Ch. 8 Going Solo

Ken had been in Frank's corner for the Lober fight and was disgusted with the way Frank fought. Frank over time had become convinced that they needed to evolve the way they had been training at the Lion's Den, but Ken was not on board with those ideas. It was Ken's way or no way. He talks about some of the fights, specifically in Rings, the other Lion's Den fighters were having and some of his own where the conditioning was just not there. Frank and Ken's relationship came to a head one day when Ken came to the gym and interrupted one of Frank's classes to talk. Ken flat out told Frank he would never be a world champion, which obviously didn't sit well with Frank, so he split. But not before heading over to Bob's, who basically told him the same thing Ken did. He was told because he was choosing to leave that he'd no longer be a part of the Shamrock family.

He tried to stay in contact with guys from the Lion's Den, but had found out that Ken didn't want them to have any contact with Frank. Maurice Smith was the only Lion's Den guy that continued to train with Frank. Maurice was really advanced when it came to conditioning, so they worked to shore up that hole in Frank. Not long after an offer to fight Enson Inoue came. It was a relatively short notice fight and Frank knew he needed to get some more different training in, so he showed up at American Kickboxing Academy and told Javier Menedez about his upcoming fight and asked him if he'd help him with training, which he did reluctantly. He had also been contacted by the UFC prior to this fight and was offered a fight with Kevin Jackson for the new Middleweight championship, but it was contingent on a win against Inoue, which he goes on to describe in detail.

He details some of the difficulties facing the sport, specifically the UFC at the time. His girlfriend arranged for Eric Duus, the only man to defeat Jackson in wrestling, to come train him along with Javier and Maurice. While watching tape of Jackson he noticed he finished takedowns the exact same way every time, with his arms straight, and knew he could finish him with an arm bar. He goes on to detail the fight with Jackson. He also goes on to describe the lead up and fight with Igor Zinoviev.
10/21/12 7:38 AM
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Dongbar - Ch. 8 Going Solo

Ken had been in Frank's corner for the Lober fight and was disgusted with the way Frank fought. Frank over time had become convinced that they needed to evolve the way they had been training at the Lion's Den, but Ken was not on board with those ideas. It was Ken's way or no way. He talks about some of the fights, specifically in Rings, the other Lion's Den fighters were having and some of his own where the conditioning was just not there. Frank and Ken's relationship came to a head one day when Ken came to the gym and interrupted one of Frank's classes to talk. Ken flat out told Frank he would never be a world champion, which obviously didn't sit well with Frank, so he split. But not before heading over to Bob's, who basically told him the same thing Ken did. He was told because he was choosing to leave that he'd no longer be a part of the Shamrock family.

He tried to stay in contact with guys from the Lion's Den, but had found out that Ken didn't want them to have any contact with Frank. Maurice Smith was the only Lion's Den guy that continued to train with Frank. Maurice was really advanced when it came to conditioning, so they worked to shore up that hole in Frank. Not long after an offer to fight Enson Inoue came. It was a relatively short notice fight and Frank knew he needed to get some more different training in, so he showed up at American Kickboxing Academy and told Javier Menedez about his upcoming fight and asked him if he'd help him with training, which he did reluctantly. He had also been contacted by the UFC prior to this fight and was offered a fight with Kevin Jackson for the new Middleweight championship, but it was contingent on a win against Inoue, which he goes on to describe in detail.

He details some of the difficulties facing the sport, specifically the UFC at the time. His girlfriend arranged for Eric Duus, the only man to defeat Jackson in wrestling, to come train him along with Javier and Maurice. While watching tape of Jackson he noticed he finished takedowns the exact same way every time, with his arms straight, and knew he could finish him with an arm bar. He goes on to detail the fight with Jackson. He also goes on to describe the lead up and fight with Igor Zinoviev.
I wonder why Ken was disgusted with the Lober fight?

Frank destroyed Lober Phone Post
10/21/12 7:52 AM
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not in the first fight^

10/21/12 8:35 AM
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When you watch tuf with Ken as a coach, it's not hard To believe that he's a horrible coach.
10/21/12 1:48 PM
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Lober wrecked Frank in their first fight. For a while, Lober was a stud.
10/21/12 2:27 PM
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Crazy stuff! Phone Post
10/21/12 2:37 PM
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u fellows decide. i remember it not being an eventful or impressive fight
10/21/12 2:55 PM
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Dongbar - Ch. 8 Going Solo

Ken had been in Frank's corner for the Lober fight and was disgusted with the way Frank fought. Frank over time had become convinced that they needed to evolve the way they had been training at the Lion's Den, but Ken was not on board with those ideas. It was Ken's way or no way. He talks about some of the fights, specifically in Rings, the other Lion's Den fighters were having and some of his own where the conditioning was just not there. Frank and Ken's relationship came to a head one day when Ken came to the gym and interrupted one of Frank's classes to talk. Ken flat out told Frank he would never be a world champion, which obviously didn't sit well with Frank, so he split. But not before heading over to Bob's, who basically told him the same thing Ken did. He was told because he was choosing to leave that he'd no longer be a part of the Shamrock family.

He tried to stay in contact with guys from the Lion's Den, but had found out that Ken didn't want them to have any contact with Frank. Maurice Smith was the only Lion's Den guy that continued to train with Frank. Maurice was really advanced when it came to conditioning, so they worked to shore up that hole in Frank. Not long after an offer to fight Enson Inoue came. It was a relatively short notice fight and Frank knew he needed to get some more different training in, so he showed up at American Kickboxing Academy and told Javier Menedez about his upcoming fight and asked him if he'd help him with training, which he did reluctantly. He had also been contacted by the UFC prior to this fight and was offered a fight with Kevin Jackson for the new Middleweight championship, but it was contingent on a win against Inoue, which he goes on to describe in detail.

He details some of the difficulties facing the sport, specifically the UFC at the time. His girlfriend arranged for Eric Duus, the only man to defeat Jackson in wrestling, to come train him along with Javier and Maurice. While watching tape of Jackson he noticed he finished takedowns the exact same way every time, with his arms straight, and knew he could finish him with an arm bar. He goes on to detail the fight with Jackson. He also goes on to describe the lead up and fight with Igor Zinoviev.
I wonder why Ken was disgusted with the Lober fight?

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THat was the rematch in UFC...Frank lost to Lober years earlier in Super Brawl
10/21/12 3:06 PM
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Talk about rising above your circumstances.
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Umm, he licked Shibuya...
10/21/12 3:40 PM
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10/21/12 4:18 PM
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YouCantHandleMyRiddum - When you watch tuf with Ken as a coach, it's not hard To believe that he's a horrible coach.
Using a heavily edited reality show where the editors decided to make Ken the "bad guy" isn't a good barometer for evaluating whether Ken is a good coach or not. Phone Post
10/21/12 4:32 PM
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YouCantHandleMyRiddum - When you watch tuf with Ken as a coach, it's not hard To believe that he's a horrible coach.
Using a heavily edited reality show where the editors decided to make Ken the "bad guy" isn't a good barometer for evaluating whether Ken is a good coach or not. Phone Post

He's pretty obviously very limited as a coach. Very good fighter in his day, historically very important, but not a great coach.

"Using a heavily edited reality show where the editors decided to make Ken the "bad guy" isn't a good barometer for evaluating whether Ken is a good coach or not."

Mostly, Ken made Ken the bad guy. They can select what they put on there, but they can't CGI it on there if you don't actually do it.

Simple questions like "Who was the Jiujitsu Coach on Team Shamrock?" will let you know whether he's a good coach or not.
10/21/12 4:58 PM
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Sean, I value your opinion, and I agree that Ken could have and should have represented himself better on the show, but think of the hours and hours of training footage that was shot that never made it into the show. It's significant, and if the editors decided to leave out footage that would make Ken look favorable as a coach and instead loaded up on footage designed to make Ken look bad, it can paint a misleading picture. FWIW, I can't prove this but I think the UFC did this deliberately after Ken told Dana during the show's taping that he was going to do the IFL. Dana was enraged and that was the start of things going south between Ken and Dana.

Also, things like not bringing in a BJJ coach aren't as relevant because Ken is a grappler, his style is similar to Barnett's/Funaki's/Suzuki's style. I don't think anybody would complain if Josh Barnett coached TUF and didn't bring a traditional BJJ guy in (although Barnett has dipped into more traditional BJJ more than Ken has). Mikey Burnett had a quote one time along the lines of, "We used to hate BJJ and think our style is superior but BJJ, CACC, submission fighting, it's all the same shit!" Phone Post
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"We used to hate BJJ and think our is superior but BJJ, CACC, submission fighting, it's all the same shit!"

I understand what you're getting at, but I just don't think Shamrock had the modern skills to compete against elite modern grapplers, and think he would have been better served having SOMEBODY with an elite skill set in this area (or MT, or Wrestling or Boxing or anything but Steak and Chicken).

He was a good technician...for the early 90s. Even then he was submitted in about a minute and a half by a much smaller Royce Gracie. The ground game has gotten much tighter and nastier since then.

If he had a Melanson level grappler with him, we wouldn't even be bringing this up...but he didn't.
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I can't say for certain that Shamrock had the modern skills to compete with today's elite grapplers in pure grappling because there are virtually no videos of Shamrock rolling with people in the late 90s. However, everybody who rolled with him came away gushing over how good he was, and I suspect he can at the very least hold his own with the elite grapplers because of his ridiculous gorilla strength, good wrestling, and great athleticism, combined with a very good understanding of submission.

I do know that he got significantly better after losing to Royce at UFC 1. Ken had only been training submission for three years while Royce had been training submission since he was 7. For a BJJ comparison, three years of training is generally equal to a high blue belt/low purple belt. After UFC 1, Ken and Funaki went to train with JJ Machado, and by the late 90s, Ken had been training in submission for as long as most black belts (7-8 years). So, comparing Ken at UFC 1 to Ken later in his career isn't really fair.

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Ch. 9 American Champion
Frank touches on his relationship with Bob and Ken again. He still seems a little confused by it all and aims to at the very least repair the damaged relationship with Bob, if not Ken as well. Neither Ken ,nor Bob were willing to concede any ground in terms of who was at fault for the split.

Frank talks about his fight with Jeremy Horn and how he had terribly underestimated him. He also briefly touched on the rematch with John Lober. He talks about how he treated his teammates and his own injuries. He also talks about his views on PEDs and pain medications in MMA. He also touches on his relationship with his second wife Angelina.

Frank was set to fight Tito Ortiz for the MW championship in September of 1999, when he got an unsolicited call from Bob. Bob didn't want him to fight Tito because he thought Tito would hurt Frank bad. Frank seemed to think Ken put Bob up to the call because Tito had been beating all the Lion's Den guys and Ken didn't want Frank to be the one to get over on Tito. Frank goes on in great detail to talk about the fight with Tito.
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That homosexual Craig Biggio he took couldnt have been worth it.

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