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10/23/12 7:13 PM
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Has CM Punk gone as far as he can go as a character?: "He has gone as far as he can go. The Rock is the Rock. He comes from a different era. Undertaker, Steve Austin, that comes from a different era. Nobody will ever be a bigger star than those guys, because people in their heads...It's like the old Batman TV show when we were kids. We thought it was the greatest show ever. You watch it back now and it sucks. But it has a certain place in your head that it will never be replaced. The band KISS in 1978 if you're old enough to remember was thought of as the greatest band ever, even if they weren't. Rock is a guy unto his own. Punk is as big of a star as he can be as a heel in WWE. Beating Ryback doesn't make him a bigger star. It doesn't."
10/23/12 7:14 PM
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Also talks about Ryback 

 

 

Why he thinks Ryback should win on Sunday: "I don't know anything and I don't work for the WWE. I haven't talked to Vince in about a month. But I personally think and this is something that obviously Busted Open Radio has very hardcore wrestling fans who are listening as we all are. The number one thing people bitch about is that there is nothing new and it's the same old same old with John Cena. This is the chance to create a new guy. This is the chance to make a new star instantly, and I know tradition says you must build a star. There is no tradition in a case like this. The comparisons are to Goldberg. Most of the fans in this day and age have no idea who Goldberg is and don't care. We do, but in the year 2012 Goldberg was over ten years ago. How did Goldberg get over? .... By beating everybody. There was no loss for Goldberg. As soon as he did lose, that's when things started going downhill for him. Ryback is not a normal guy. This is not a guy that we see that builds his way to the top and fans get behind him slowly but surely. You want to pick a new guy? Have him beat CM Punk this week. Who gives a sh** about Punk's title reign? It means nothing. Here is a chance to take a guy who people are getting behind. If he beats Punk at Hell in A Cell and after three hundred and thirty seven days or whatever and Punk is finally beaten, people are going to start to take notice of this guy. Those who don't watch Raw are going to tune in to see what's going on. Ryback beats everybody. Ryback faces Rock at Royal Rumble. What happens if a couple of weeks before that something goes on with Ryback and Undertaker got involved in the Rock match? What if Rock wins the title and goes on to face Cena we expected and what if its Ryback vs Undertaker at Wrestlemania? What if Ryback beats Undertaker at Wrestlemania? You have a new star for the next ten years to headline pay-per views and main events." Does he think the WWE will pull the trigger and have Ryback become champion?: "I do because of the reasons I've talked about. I'm not saying I know anything. I could be completely wrong. Maybe there would be a scenario where they can protect Ryback and still have Punk as champ. But for me what I like as a wrestling fan, when I was a kid, what I like as wrestling fan now even after doing it for 22 years is the element of surprise. I hate the same old same old. I worked in WCW for three years when guys were passed over. As hard as it is to believe at this point, Eddie Guerrero was the top heel in the company at certain points, but they never let him beat anybody. Billy Kidman was super popular. Probably one of the top two or three babyfaces in the company at certain points, but they never pushed him over the edge. There are guys for whatever reason, get over, even when they are not supposed to get over. If you take advantage of that and push it over the cliff, people will get behind it especially a guy like Ryback because we haven't seen anyone like that in a long time. We haven't seen a powerhouse come in and annihilate people. The last time might have been Batista but Ryback is more Neanderthal, more animalistic, more a beast. Batista is very well spoken. Ryback does remind me of Goldberg and like I said it's not a copy of Goldberg. It's like saying Jericho is a copy of Shawn Michaels. There are elements and lots of similarities but it's a different guy and nobody has seen a guy like this in a long, long time. So I think if they do pull the trigger that it will work huge and it will create a superstar instantly. Someone that will be a money drawer, someone that people will tune in who are not watching now to see."
10/23/12 7:27 PM
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Holy shit Jericho, let's just take a breather for a second. Phone Post
10/24/12 12:38 AM
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I think Punk can be way bigger than he is right now if after they wrap up the Punk-Cena feud they let Punk bring back the SeS and keep their hands off of it this time.

The problem is keeping him fresh and relevant enough so Punk vs. Austin at WM 30 can be one of the best and most heated feuds in WWE history.
10/24/12 10:20 AM
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Jericho was great back in the WCW days vs. the Luchadors (stealing their masks etc...) and I was super pumped when he jumped ship to WWF/WWE. But it was never the same...

Jericho needs good wrestlers to carry him through a match.

I've seen him live a few times, and it seems like he doesnt give a shit.

I like CM Punk, but he is just ok in the ring. I did enjoy the elbow drop fake out from last Monday night
10/24/12 10:23 AM
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SaintVon Barksdale - Jericho gets overrated on a level I've never seen before, the only person who comes close is Christian. They are both overrated as fuck by their fan boys, and neither guy is capable of carrying another, lesser skilled worker to greatness like Ric Flair or Bret Hart.

I always wanted to like Christian, but I think Edge carried him for the longest time. They were a great tag team

10/24/12 12:57 PM
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Punk could be every bit as big as Austin and Rock imo. Hes just not used very well a lot of the time and is in the unenviable position of being one of the few good things in an era that fucking sucks. It reminds me of HBK and Bret trying to hold things down in the mid 90s. Phone Post
10/26/12 6:57 AM
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SaintVon Barksdale - Sour grapes IMO. Plus, Jericho is a dude who has gotten by on charisma for YEARS...damn near his entire career. That's right GRIZZ and Steven, I'm really going to fucking let it be known, Jericho is a subpar worker in my eyes. How the fuck you gonna be doing that lionsault for 20 years, and STILL not be able to land it 80 percent of the time? Also Jericho, I remember you b. I remember you BEFORE you found charisma. I remember when you used to come out and be all like "ALRIGHT! YEAH!" and then shove your ass against the guard rail for the fans to touch. Yeah b, I remember. I remember how it was, how it was when you were young. Yesterday was so long ago, long ago. CM Punk and D-Bryan came up now don't nobody wanna hear your old ass sing no more.

"Your mother, you fucking faggot...

There once was a man who liked to jump around
But he got too old to jump up and down
So he put the mic down and picked the guitar up
Started singin the blues like there no tomorrow
Left his boys in the House of Pain
It was the wisest decision he ever made
But the dumbest thing he could ever do
Was try to buck a 380 on those that act shady
Tell me now what you gonna do

Cause I remember all those years, how it was when you were here
I remember how it was, how it was when you were young
Yesterday was so long ago, Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit came along now
Don't nobody wanna hear your old ass sing no more

I remember back when you had the Knack
And I remember when you had your first heart attack
I was right there laughin when I heard the news
I just wish the cardiac woulda murdered you
Maybe Ice-T's right, you are a bitch
You come around when you're broke and you leave when you're rich
But the dumbest thing you could ever do
Was try to buck a 380 on those who act shady
Tell me now what you gonna do


Cause I remember all those years, how it was when you were here
I remember how it was, how it was when you were young
Yesterday was so long ago, Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit came along now
Don't nobody wanna hear your old ass sing no more


Remember back in '94, like right before Ms. Everlast was Whitey Ford
Before his heart attack had him on life support
When House of Pain was outta fame like someone doused the flame
And they became destined to never jump around again
Or even further back, when I first had heard the Knack
And you were down with Syndicate, I went to get your shit, man I was into it
But then you went and took your style and switched the shit
Now you sound ridiculous, you dickless piece of shit, how could you diss me, bitch?
I liked you, thought you was alright for a white dude
Remember Sway and Tech when I came up and sat beside you
Started rhymin, then you left the room and didn't say goodbye or nothin'?
Like you was mad that someone else was white and tried to rhyme or somethin
I'm sorry man, I wasn't tryin to steal your light or nothin
But you're a homosexual, white rappin Irish *Muslim*
Man I wish I was Irish, I could be a *Muslim* too
Then I'd be confused as you, and I wouldn't know what to do
What's up with you? I never fucked with you, why would you fuck with me?
Knowin' I could rap circles around you, what, are you as nuts as me?
Plus I can sing better than you and I don't fuckin' sing
And probably play guitar better, and I ain't never touched a string
But I ain't mad at you, I'd hate me too if I was you
I'm what you used to be, shit you was me in '92
So everytime I write a lyric, I'mma think of you
And maybe that will help me know what it's like to sing the blues"

Blue name, please:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS1WUXXp6GY
Wow. Just wow.

LOL @ another Punk nutthugger butt hurt at the truth.

Dude, wake the fuck up. Your hero CM Punk is a joke. Always has been.

Seriously, can you spell overrated?

He throws kicks like a handicap person and basically has the athletic demeanor of a high school dork. His style is boring, sloppy, lacks intensity and is very backyard-esque. Once a yard tard always a yard tard. There's also a reason why WWE won't aknowledge the fact that he's the "Best in the World" despite him being champion. More and more people are starting to see how much of a fraud he is. The fans aren't stupid. Phone Post
10/26/12 8:12 AM
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I like Punk ok, but he just can't get enough of the crowd behind him to ever be a top guy.

I've always compared him to Jericho. Great supporting heel, mediocre lead guy. Honestly Edge was the same way. Edge could only get the fans behind him after he was gone for a long time and made a return. 2 months later, fans get bored of him, back to heel status.

Some guys just don't have that little extra that makes the whole like them, even though part of the crowd worships them.
10/26/12 2:42 PM
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Punk was pretty over as the top guy before they turned him heel and that was in spite of WWE not really main eventing him (Cena was still that guy even though he didn't have the title).

I get what you're saying though. Only a few wrestlers have the charisma, look, creative support, and timing to capture and audience like a Rock or Austin.
10/27/12 1:53 AM
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SaintVon Barksdale - Sour grapes IMO. Plus, Jericho is a dude who has gotten by on charisma for YEARS...damn near his entire career. That's right GRIZZ and Steven, I'm really going to fucking let it be known, Jericho is a subpar worker in my eyes. How the fuck you gonna be doing that lionsault for 20 years, and STILL not be able to land it 80 percent of the time? Also Jericho, I remember you b. I remember you BEFORE you found charisma. I remember when you used to come out and be all like "ALRIGHT! YEAH!" and then shove your ass against the guard rail for the fans to touch. Yeah b, I remember. I remember how it was, how it was when you were young. Yesterday was so long ago, long ago. CM Punk and D-Bryan came up now don't nobody wanna hear your old ass sing no more.

"Your mother, you fucking faggot...

There once was a man who liked to jump around
But he got too old to jump up and down
So he put the mic down and picked the guitar up
Started singin the blues like there no tomorrow
Left his boys in the House of Pain
It was the wisest decision he ever made
But the dumbest thing he could ever do
Was try to buck a 380 on those that act shady
Tell me now what you gonna do

Cause I remember all those years, how it was when you were here
I remember how it was, how it was when you were young
Yesterday was so long ago, Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit came along now
Don't nobody wanna hear your old ass sing no more

I remember back when you had the Knack
And I remember when you had your first heart attack
I was right there laughin when I heard the news
I just wish the cardiac woulda murdered you
Maybe Ice-T's right, you are a bitch
You come around when you're broke and you leave when you're rich
But the dumbest thing you could ever do
Was try to buck a 380 on those who act shady
Tell me now what you gonna do


Cause I remember all those years, how it was when you were here
I remember how it was, how it was when you were young
Yesterday was so long ago, Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit came along now
Don't nobody wanna hear your old ass sing no more


Remember back in '94, like right before Ms. Everlast was Whitey Ford
Before his heart attack had him on life support
When House of Pain was outta fame like someone doused the flame
And they became destined to never jump around again
Or even further back, when I first had heard the Knack
And you were down with Syndicate, I went to get your shit, man I was into it
But then you went and took your style and switched the shit
Now you sound ridiculous, you dickless piece of shit, how could you diss me, bitch?
I liked you, thought you was alright for a white dude
Remember Sway and Tech when I came up and sat beside you
Started rhymin, then you left the room and didn't say goodbye or nothin'?
Like you was mad that someone else was white and tried to rhyme or somethin
I'm sorry man, I wasn't tryin to steal your light or nothin
But you're a homosexual, white rappin Irish *Muslim*
Man I wish I was Irish, I could be a *Muslim* too
Then I'd be confused as you, and I wouldn't know what to do
What's up with you? I never fucked with you, why would you fuck with me?
Knowin' I could rap circles around you, what, are you as nuts as me?
Plus I can sing better than you and I don't fuckin' sing
And probably play guitar better, and I ain't never touched a string
But I ain't mad at you, I'd hate me too if I was you
I'm what you used to be, shit you was me in '92
So everytime I write a lyric, I'mma think of you
And maybe that will help me know what it's like to sing the blues"

Blue name, please:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS1WUXXp6GY

I didn't know Billy Graham posted on this forum...
10/29/12 7:25 AM
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Woah when did all the fanboys turn on Jericho? Phone Post
10/29/12 7:58 AM
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A dark but honest truth is that to be a top guy is possible, but to be next level popular, the guy is almost always a big built guy.
HBK is an exception. So is Orton. But look at the guys that get the biggest pushes.


I'm still amazed Mason Ryan isn't main eventing. He must have killed a rat. Phone Post

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