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If Anderson Silva can make 170... awesomeness, otherwise no thank you.


Really? If they met at 177.5 that changes everything for you?

 

GSP only having to cut from 190+ to 177.5 would be a MUCH easier cut for him, and Andy would be more stressed than normal making 177.5 as well. Plus Dana won't allow a fighter to hold 2 belts at once, so CW is the most fair for everyone.

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da Vinci 81 -  Sure, georges has stated plenty he would fight anyone at 170. If you're saying the plan all along was to have silva drop to ww for the fight you could be correct. I'll apologize for that then I it makes you feel better. Phone Post

It was supposed to be at 170. I accept. I still have the damn fight on my DVR so I promise I am being accurate.

 

Now, on to enlightening me about how Anderson's really some massive 185lb fighter :)

 

(also for reference from Andy's nutritionist: he started camp at 207 with ~17% body fat)

 

Source for that? Phone Post
11/7/12 3:06 PM
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In a GSP Accent: Anderson Silva you absolutely suck. I'm putting it all on the line here. I beat you you leave the division you beat me i will leave the UFC forever
11/7/12 3:09 PM
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da Vinci 81 -  You're using body fat percentage now to determine the conditioning and ideal weight class? Good lord. You do realize there is tons of variation with all of that right? This is one article which implies that Anderson is actually at the very high end of a healthy amount of body fat when weighing 198:

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/fitness/weight-loss/what-is-a-normal-body-fat-percentage.html#b

So suggesting at 220 he is unhealthy when this says that a healthy individual can carry up to 19% body fat is flat out wrong. Phone Post

Dear lord this straw man.

 

I NEVER said 220 is 'Unhealthy", rather that his "ideal" or "best" shape for his current muscle mass and body is ~200, which is exactly where he fights at 185 and 205. Sure he "could" fight at 220, but why the hell would he when it is excess water and fat???

 

Of course using ONLY his body fat % is not ideal, but it is all we have. If we had full on BMI etc we could be more specific. What I DO know from those 2 weights and body fat % is that you are out of your mind if you think any more than 8-10% body fat is ideal for a pro fighter outside of the HW division.

 

Give it a rest, you keep trying to strawman and pick apart what I say...yet still offer NOTHING of your own to suggest that Anderson is anything more than a 200lb fighter who let's himself go a little between camps. He is 198 in the cage for his last 185 pound fight. 202-205 in the cage for his last 205 fight.

 

Bones is 218-226 in the cage from everything we know.

 

That's a much bigger weight gap then if GSP/Andy met at 177.5 and you know it. Just let it go already.

11/7/12 3:10 PM
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da Vinci 81 -  Sure, georges has stated plenty he would fight anyone at 170. If you're saying the plan all along was to have silva drop to ww for the fight you could be correct. I'll apologize for that then I it makes you feel better. Phone Post

It was supposed to be at 170. I accept. I still have the damn fight on my DVR so I promise I am being accurate.

 

Now, on to enlightening me about how Anderson's really some massive 185lb fighter :)

 

(also for reference from Andy's nutritionist: he started camp at 207 with ~17% body fat)

 

Source for that? Phone Post

Jesus man. Anderson's nutritionist leading up to the Sonnen rematch. Everything is sourced and pasted in this thread:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ns/mma.cfm?go=forum.VersionCheck&thread=1940716&forum=1&updLastViewed=1

 

Towards the final 3-4 pages is the actual tweet and actual responses.

11/7/12 3:13 PM
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Who cares??? No one wants to see this fight - it is pointless.
11/7/12 3:14 PM
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Jones ripped/shredded and dehydrated as fuck to make 205:

 

Anderson "ripped/shredded" for 205:

 

 

 

You're right though.....they are so close in weight. HERPA DERPA!!!!

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Drewout - Who cares??? No one wants to see this fight - it is pointless.

Speak for yourself and not everyone please. Also hard to pass judgement on whether there is a "point" or not until we see GSP fight no? If he steamrolls Condit it just furthers that no one at 170 can hang, and the super-fight that the fans have been screaming for from 2007/8-2011 is still a great fight to see.

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Arecsa - I hope he does get in there afterwards. GSP always ducks the question about them fighting when posed to him in interviews, lets see what he says when he is face to face with Anderson.

Hopefully GSP will just say "maybe after your fight with Jones we can work something out" then we can all watch Anderson forget how to speak english or maybe start rambling about friendship or how he can't move up a weight class but GSP should

Much more likely that he says:

I haven't thought about this fight over the 4 years that it's been proposed and I'd have to sit down with my management, my team mates, my sponsors, and see what's best for me and my career. I'd need 19 months off in order to properly put the weight on and I'd expect that you didn't fight during that time period in order to ensure you don't lose and the fight isn't derailed.  You are very big, walking around at 230 pounds, afterall...

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Much more likely that he says:

I haven't thought about this fight over the 4 years that it's been proposed and I'd have to sit down with my management, my team mates, my sponsors, and see what's best for me and my career. I'd need 19 months off in order to properly put the weight on and I'd expect that you didn't fight during that time period in order to ensure you don't lose and the fight isn't derailed.  You are very big, walking around at 230 pounds, afterall...

 


 

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"Walking Weight" is the most useless thing there is.

 

 

 

When they are BOTH in the best possible shape for a fight they can be in:

 

Anderson: ~198-203

Jones: 218-226

 

What they weigh in the off season is meaningless.

 

Compare that to GSP who has been 192/3 for his last 3 fights in the cage. Do the math.

 

Frame wise Anderson is closer to Bones in HEIGHT, but reach is MUCH closer to GSP than Bones.

 

In the 3 major facets of "size" (height/reach/weight) GSP and Andy are much closer in 2/3 categories.

Anderson's frame comfortably and naturally carries a weight much closer to what jones' does. Anyone can manipulate their weight up and down as they see fit through diet and training but it is not an indication of what their natural weight is.

Hell, if gsp dieted and reduced his strength training similar to Anderson's he could likely fight at 155. Guys fight at a weight they feel most comfortable at but that's not always based on size. Phone Post

 


Again you're SOOOOO right.

 

 

Anderson just weighed in at 202, but he truly is much closer to the 225ish that Bones weighs....lol.

 

Anderson comes in UNDER the 185 limit regularly too, but you know better than the facts that where he is "comfortable". You're a joke man. Facts > your speculation.

 

Jones is talking about moving to HW in 12-15 months, Anderson is talking aboutgoing BELOW 185 to fight GSP. Use your brain.

Thank you, I know I'm right. If you actually understood how diet and strength and conditioning factors in to a person's weight this wouldn't be such a difficult concept for you.

Keep spouting your UFC stats though, I'm sure they're incredibly accurate. So much so that anderson has incredibly grown 3 inches since his debut against leben! Amazing! Phone Post

They are not "UFC stats" they are the same realiable measurements listed on EVERY site currently.

 

Yes 6+ years ago the UFC had fucked up stats. Now they are accurate and there are tons of sources for them all. Including the fighters themselves.

 

Explain to me, oh heavenly father of "strength and conditioning factors"....how is Anderson being 220 when he is FAT and between fights at all relelvant to anything? Tell me how their weight IN THE CAGE when they fight is not the most important and useful weight to use?

 

One guy DEHYDRATES 15-20 pounds to make 205. The other comes in at 202 and says he will be no more than 205 during the fight. Enlighten me obi-won-Dolce master....lol

What makes you think anderson is FAT between fights? That's where your argument falls apart. He doesn't drastically overeat between fights and balloon up like a house. He resumes a normal diet and gains weight to where his body wants to be naturally. Hence the reason he speaks about needing to DIET to make 185.

It's not like he becomes a sloth and pigs out without stepping into the gym for months between fights like someone like rampage does. He just scales back the intensity of his training. Phone Post

His nutritionist is what makes me think that, and his constant talk about his addiction to greasy cheese burgers.

Also the clear lack of definition and small muffin top when he fights at 202 pounds for 205 fights ;)

 

At the last Sonnen fight Anderson was 9% body fat at 198. Are you suggesting that when he is 220 he is still 9% body fat and just adds massive muscle in the off season? lol The reality is that he is in his best shape right around 200. The extra 20 pounds is all FAT and water weight that is NOT optimal for a fight.

 

I would say that a guy who fights at 198 IN THE CAGE at 185...carrying 9% bodyfat is best suited for 185. cutting 13 pounds is nothing for a fighter compared to the 20 or more that GSP and Bones cut.

 

I notice you completely try to break down MY argument, yet completely dick tuck on this infinite wisdom you think you have about strength/conditioning/weight....teach me please. lol


Curious where you go tthe 9% body fat figure for Anderson.  That's REALLY low.  You sure he wasn't much higher than that?  A national caliber US wrestler is around 7 percent or so and that's showing virtually no fat on their frame.  

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You just don't get it do you? Anderson's body does not want to weigh 200lbs. He gets it there through diet and exercise. When he eases off of that he goes up to around 220lbs. Which is not far off of what jones gets up to following the SAME standards.

And if were really pigging out from overeating and addicted to cheeseburgers his weight would continue past that not hover around it.

He looks to have a fair but of time off coming up so would you not expect his weight gain to continually increase if he really is eating too much junk food and not training? Phone Post
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"Walking Weight" is the most useless thing there is.

 

 

 

When they are BOTH in the best possible shape for a fight they can be in:

 

Anderson: ~198-203

Jones: 218-226

 

What they weigh in the off season is meaningless.

 

Compare that to GSP who has been 192/3 for his last 3 fights in the cage. Do the math.

 

Frame wise Anderson is closer to Bones in HEIGHT, but reach is MUCH closer to GSP than Bones.

 

In the 3 major facets of "size" (height/reach/weight) GSP and Andy are much closer in 2/3 categories.

Anderson's frame comfortably and naturally carries a weight much closer to what jones' does. Anyone can manipulate their weight up and down as they see fit through diet and training but it is not an indication of what their natural weight is.

Hell, if gsp dieted and reduced his strength training similar to Anderson's he could likely fight at 155. Guys fight at a weight they feel most comfortable at but that's not always based on size. Phone Post

 


Again you're SOOOOO right.

 

 

Anderson just weighed in at 202, but he truly is much closer to the 225ish that Bones weighs....lol.

 

Anderson comes in UNDER the 185 limit regularly too, but you know better than the facts that where he is "comfortable". You're a joke man. Facts > your speculation.

 

Jones is talking about moving to HW in 12-15 months, Anderson is talking aboutgoing BELOW 185 to fight GSP. Use your brain.

Thank you, I know I'm right. If you actually understood how diet and strength and conditioning factors in to a person's weight this wouldn't be such a difficult concept for you.

Keep spouting your UFC stats though, I'm sure they're incredibly accurate. So much so that anderson has incredibly grown 3 inches since his debut against leben! Amazing! Phone Post

They are not "UFC stats" they are the same realiable measurements listed on EVERY site currently.

 

Yes 6+ years ago the UFC had fucked up stats. Now they are accurate and there are tons of sources for them all. Including the fighters themselves.

 

Explain to me, oh heavenly father of "strength and conditioning factors"....how is Anderson being 220 when he is FAT and between fights at all relelvant to anything? Tell me how their weight IN THE CAGE when they fight is not the most important and useful weight to use?

 

One guy DEHYDRATES 15-20 pounds to make 205. The other comes in at 202 and says he will be no more than 205 during the fight. Enlighten me obi-won-Dolce master....lol

What makes you think anderson is FAT between fights? That's where your argument falls apart. He doesn't drastically overeat between fights and balloon up like a house. He resumes a normal diet and gains weight to where his body wants to be naturally. Hence the reason he speaks about needing to DIET to make 185.

It's not like he becomes a sloth and pigs out without stepping into the gym for months between fights like someone like rampage does. He just scales back the intensity of his training. Phone Post

His nutritionist is what makes me think that, and his constant talk about his addiction to greasy cheese burgers.

Also the clear lack of definition and small muffin top when he fights at 202 pounds for 205 fights ;)

 

At the last Sonnen fight Anderson was 9% body fat at 198. Are you suggesting that when he is 220 he is still 9% body fat and just adds massive muscle in the off season? lol The reality is that he is in his best shape right around 200. The extra 20 pounds is all FAT and water weight that is NOT optimal for a fight.

 

I would say that a guy who fights at 198 IN THE CAGE at 185...carrying 9% bodyfat is best suited for 185. cutting 13 pounds is nothing for a fighter compared to the 20 or more that GSP and Bones cut.

 

I notice you completely try to break down MY argument, yet completely dick tuck on this infinite wisdom you think you have about strength/conditioning/weight....teach me please. lol


Curious where you go tthe 9% body fat figure for Anderson.  That's REALLY low.  You sure he wasn't much higher than that?  A national caliber US wrestler is around 7 percent or so and that's showing virtually no fat on their frame.  

Shocking that lnp would assume that's a high number for Anderson to have. Phone Post
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da Vinci 81 -  You just don't get it do you? Anderson's body does not want to weigh 200lbs. He gets it there through diet and exercise. When he eases off of that he goes up to around 220lbs. Which is not far off of what jones gets up to following the SAME standards.

And if were really pigging out from overeating and addicted to cheeseburgers his weight would continue past that not hover around it.

He looks to have a fair but of time off coming up so would you not expect his weight gain to continually increase if he really is eating too much junk food and not training? Phone Post

 

What makes you think Jones' diet and workout regime between fights is the same as Anderson's? What makes you think they are in anything like the same physical condition when they are both in the 220s? What makes you think that eating cheeseburgers makes your weight just continue up and up without limit rather than just make you fatter and heavier to a certain point? No one is saying Anderson eats 40 cheeseburgers a day.

 

lol @ what Anderson's body "wants".  If Anderson ate diet x and followed workout regimen y, would his body "want" to be at a different weight than if he ate diet z and followed workout regiment a? If Jon Jones followed Anderson's non-fighting diet and workout routine, do you think his body might "want" to be heavier than 226?

And why is this always, always a discussion about what guys "walk around at"? We are not talking about plucking them off their couches and having them fight, we are talking about, you know, a professional fight, where each guy is in actual fighting condition -- which, yes, means dieting and working out at a professional level.

 

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Thank you orcus.

Davinci still ducking my direct questions and facts and posting speculation about what another persons body "wants"...lmfao. that's the "strength and conditioning" knowledge you're dropping on us? Phone Post
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Curious where you go tthe 9% body fat figure for Anderson.  That's REALLY low.  You sure he wasn't much higher than that?  A national caliber US wrestler is around 7 percent or so and that's showing virtually no fat on their frame.  

Shocking that lnp would assume that's a high number for Anderson to have. Phone Post

 


Show me where I say that 9% is high...please.

 

 

9% is almost ideal for an athlete of that calibur. At 9% he is a 198lb fighter.

 

At 9% (or less possibly, from what I remember hearing) GSP is around 190lbs. (192/3 according to Firaz in his last fights) 

At his peak, after rehydrating, Bones is 220-226.

 

Think about that please and actually formulate an argument for how you believe Anderson's weight is closer to Bones and farther from GSP. I'm still waiting.

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Jones ripped/shredded and dehydrated as fuck to make 205:

 

Anderson "ripped/shredded" for 205:

 

 

 

You're right though.....they are so close in weight. HERPA DERPA!!!!


VTFU thanks for that. Jones is one of the biggest LHW's of all time...probably walks around @ 25-30lbs heavier than AS. GSP walks around in the 190s. Enough said.
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i dont want to see GSP/Anderson dammit..
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Jones ripped/shredded and dehydrated as fuck to make 205:

 

Anderson "ripped/shredded" for 205:

 

 

 

You're right though.....they are so close in weight. HERPA DERPA!!!!




Also, JBJ's facial expression, when compared to Silva's, makes him LOOK bigger.
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^^^^ I wasn't considering facial expressions at all.

 

Looking at how lean/drawn out their bodies are when we know they are both 205/204 at that very moment.


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