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11/8/12 10:11 AM
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In 2010, J. Michael Bennett, a Mobile, Alabama pharmacist was sentenced to four years in prison for illegally distributing some 762,388 dosages of Performance Enhancing Drugs to doctors and clinics nationwide during April 4, 2004, until Aug. 30, 2006.

Prosecutors referred to Bennett, pictured above, as a "drug dealer in a lab coat." They contended that Bennett played a key role in an enterprise involving rogue doctors and health clinics across the country, who used the compounding pharmacy Applied Pharmacy Services to supply healthy adults with dangerous steroids.

The PEDs ended up in the hands of users ranging from professional athletes to teenagers.

Court documents cited by name or initials a large number of professional athletes and wrestlers including "Hardcore" Holly, Kurt Angle, and Shane Carwin, as having obtained steroids from Applied Pharmacy Services during the time Bennett worked there.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Donna Dobbins pointed to testimony from about a half-dozen people who described side effects ranging from an intense burning feeling on their flesh, to shrinkage of their testicles, to depression, to quarter-sized acne on their backs.

Dobbins said users "suffered severe -- in some cases permanent -- side effects."

Some member of the MMA media have called for Carwin to explain the appearance on his name on the list. The issue was heightened by calls from Roy Nelson for VADA testing ahead of their showdown at the TUF 16 Finale.

Now Carwin's manager Jason Genet responds.

The crazy thing about Shane and all of this Bloody Elbow mess is they always seem to be targeting him or me, a lot of that stems from conversations Jonathan Snowden and I were having about some other issues. They are the only outlet I reached out to because they had really laid off on him and had overturned their staff. Then their headline says, “Shane & Roy Agree to VADA Testing."

I emailed one of their writers and said this is why we have a problem with VADA. People were getting their information wrong and this is before I had even heard from VADA. I explained to them in great detail, according to Brent Brookhouse, I wrote a total of 12 paragraphs. The reason why it was so long is because they have a history of getting things wrong when it comes to Shane.

I understand the PR dilemma that comes with the 2010 Applied Pharmacy case out of Alabama. There are times when athletes aren’t allowed to tell their story regardless if sources have it right or wrong. Sometimes you are in a partnership with people and you have to defer judgment to them no matter what is being said about you. The people associated with that Endeavour (Applied Pharmacy) are victims, they aren’t co-conspirators and they are not even witnesses.

In a post Barry Bonds/Mark McGwire era does anyone think a report of that magnitude could come out that listed 12 MLB players and not one served a suspension? There were NHL players, wrestlers (Kurt Angle) and Shane was also on there. None of the commissions ever got involved. If being on this list is such a problem for Roy then why did he try and have Kurt Angle serve as one of his coaches on TUF?

I will venture to say that all of the athletes who were on that list were never even interviewed. Shane was never interviewed by any investigator, but when you have a case in which a lot of government money is involved it’s important for them to make a big deal about winning and how they won. They spent a lot of money bringing this pharmacy down.

Essentially the way it all worked and I’m not 100% factual about all of it, but as Shane explained it to me, there is parent hub pharmacy which was Applied Pharmacy Services in Alabama. They were selling franchises to doctors and business people in other areas, Greeley, Co was one of those areas, and that’s where Shane lives. A sheriff and a doctor from Greeley set up this affiliate. 4,400 people from Greeley heard about the miraculous, wonderful things this clinic was doing.

The patients who were participating in this are guilty of being vain, thinking there is some type of scientific drug that is legal and will help you get younger and healthier faster than anything else available. Patients would go and visit these clinics and they would send you back to your physician and explain what type of blood work was required and you’re doctor would either agree with their assessment or he wouldn’t.

In Shane’s case the doctors were receiving incentives from these clinics and that is why they lost their licenses. They knew that these prescriptions weren’t legitimate and there was no way that so many people were in need of the same medications. They failed in their oath and Shane’s doctor was one of those physicians. Although it said that S.C. received HGH and other substances it doesn’t mean it arrived like that, it was packaged differently. They duped these people into believing they were taking legitimate drugs yet some of the substances aren’t legal to give to human beings.

That’s why doctors not only lost their licenses; they got arrested and went to jail. The government raided their offices and they have the records of all the patients treated at these clinics. There was not one patient charged in this case. It was just a bunch of people going into a doctor to get a shot of B-12 and then being shot up with HGH without their consent or their knowledge. Shane wasn’t even set on MMA as his career at that time.

Shane was thinking about becoming a body builder and was hanging around with Ron Waterman and a group of other guys and they called themselves The God Squad. It was a bunch of ripped dudes who would talk about Christianity and they would rip the local yellow pages in half on radio shows. Their goal was to talk about faith and I can’t say Shane took anything that was sent to him, but I would assume everyone took something that they received. Shane had stopped being a patient long before the raid ever went down.

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11/8/12 10:19 AM
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BS explanation by someone that admits to not knowing the facts. Uses the same old explanation "I didn't know what I was being given". Says that Shane Carwin wanted anti-aging treatment, but how old was he at the time? Mid-twenties? Phone Post
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Lol so he took peds but didn't know it was peds thought he was taking b12 shots lol sounds believable to me. Phone Post
11/8/12 10:27 AM
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Stay respectful guys. Phone Post
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The whole "I didn't know what I was taking" excuse is really lame and overused. Phone Post
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I like Shane and all but, having your manager send out some long-winded, dap dance routine is kinda silly. Just say "Yes" I took them a long time ago and DON'T anymore! I made a mistake. People will just lie and dodge until the end. It makes no sense.
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SomeoneToDoYourDirtyWork - I like Shane and all but, having your manager send out some long-winded, dap dance routine is kinda silly. Just say "Yes" I took them a long time ago and DON'T anymore! I made a mistake. People will just lie and dodge until the end. It makes no sense.

This. Lance Armstrong anyone? That didnt turn out too well for him.
11/8/12 10:41 AM
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So to summarize he's using the Roger Clemens defense. He thought he was using B12,absurd.
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if he says multiple times that he doesn't know the facts, or even if what he is saying is factually correct, why does he say anything?

usually people say that as a failsafe in case harder evidence comes out later...they can just say "well i said i didnt know what i was talking about."

not knowing what you were taking is BS for someone educated as an engineer, in shanes case. weird.
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I don't blame these athletes, I blame the type of culture we've created where they feel like they can't tell the truth. Not everyone has the integrity or strength of character to boldly own up to what they did and offer up an explanation for their actions.

11/8/12 10:45 AM
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I'm always the first to give the benefit of the doubt to fighters I like, and even fighters in general, but the simple question that is probably on mine and alot of others' minds, is why would it make sense from a cost standpoint to sell vitamin B12 then give a bunch of expensive PEDs?

Particularly to random older people as the article suggests instead of simply other athletes. And why are there so many other infamous cheats on that list, who we pretty much now know were cheating... Were they just cheating accidentally at this point then switched gears later?



I'm not ever going to bring this up to Carwin on the UG or hijack unrelated threads to belabour the point like some ass troll, and quite frankly, this was before his MMA career so I'll even say fuckit, but I'd have been happier with a sorry this was another part of my life, or just letting sleeping dogs lie.
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juiced up Christians.... lol worse now that I've heard the whole story.. JESUS

 

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Oh and I won't pretend to know pricing or how this shit works in general, and I only skimmed through the article, but if any of my questions in last post are obvious or mentioned in the article I'd appreciate another UGer or someone with some experience in the matter explaining it.

Hell, I wouldn't bug Carwin about it like I said, but assuming his manager didn't come out with this explanation sans-Carwin, and Carwin does in fact think it's time to bring up this issue and have a discussion about it, I'd love to hear his view on a few of these points...

Otherwise fuckit, I'll be happy letting this pass like so many other scandals lol
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Unfortunately the "I thought I was taking B12" line is the closest thing you'll get to an acknowledgement or apology for most athletes. I don't know if they think the public is so stupid that they think we'll buy that answer or are athletes so stupid they think B12 is a miracle drug.
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SomeoneToDoYourDirtyWork - I like Shane and all but, having your manager send out some long-winded, dap dance routine is kinda silly. Just say "Yes" I took them a long time ago and DON'T anymore! I made a mistake. People will just lie and dodge until the end. It makes no sense.

Exactly. Shane made a mistake when he didn't address this with some semblance of honesty after it went public.

Shane seems like a good guy and he obviously wants fans to see him as a down-to-earth, genuine person but still having this hanging over his head works against that.
11/8/12 10:58 AM
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Wow, had a stable vote score for a while and just got Vote Downs for my above messages??!! LOL

I'm a huge Carwin fan and wrote those as respectably and honestly as I possibly could, in response to a discussion spurred on by his camp, not some TMZ rumor mill shit...


Guess you'll always piss someone off or be a "troll" no matter how maturely you try to treat an important topic.
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juiced up Christians.... lol worse now that I've heard the whole story.. JESUS

 


Fuck off inf0, I've seen your trolling before.

You and me both know the farmers are the real issue, not Jesus. Think about all the poor Belarussian farmers who've been helped lol
11/8/12 11:00 AM
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This was before he was fighting in the UFC, or MMA at all iirc.

 

He also was not charged with a crime, nor even asked to be a witness.

 

Who the fuck cares what he did back then? As long as he is clean now, there shouldn't be an issue.

11/8/12 11:05 AM
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Who gives a shit if a bodybuilder takes HGH?

11/8/12 11:05 AM
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whimpy77 -  Lol so he took peds but didn't know it was peds thought he was taking b12 shots lol sounds believable to me. Phone Post

very good reason to start a lawsuit against the former doctor
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whimpy77 -  Lol so he took peds but didn't know it was peds thought he was taking b12 shots lol sounds believable to me. Phone Post

very good reason to start a lawsuit against the former doctor

I was going to say this as well.

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he also just happened to go on a tear around that time..

 

hmm, think it was just hard work, vitamins and prayers brother

 

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whimpy77 -  Lol so he took peds but didn't know it was peds thought he was taking b12 shots lol sounds believable to me. Phone Post

very good reason to start a lawsuit against the former doctor

I was going to say this as well.

Would not doing be an admission of guilt?

If some rogue Dr was pumping me full of illegal shit without my consent I sure as hell would. Phone Post

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