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actually i dont care what anyone says about that anymore, too much he said, she said, too many details and accounts. its not happening and i blame them both.
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JMM feels legacy is more important then money, I respect him for that decision.

LOL, so now Manny has nothing to hide, rightttttt...

oh, Fat Dan has a story on ESPN, talks for FMJ/Canelo have begun.

Thank God. If that fight doesn't happen Mayweather goes down as a cherry picker in many people's eyes IMO Phone Post 3.0
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no arguments there Wasa-B

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Wasa-B - actually i dont care what anyone says about that anymore, too much he said, she said, too many details and accounts. its not happening and i blame them both.

This!

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and what a freaking shame!
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Wasa-B - actually i dont care what anyone says about that anymore, too much he said, she said, too many details and accounts. its not happening and i blame them both.

It's not he said/she said. The whole "take the test" saga can be traced and verified.

I'm glad that Manny has finally decided to jump on board the USADA bandwagon though. I hear that Rios is training with Memo Heredia so that's probably what did it.

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Wasa-B - actually i dont care what anyone says about that anymore, too much he said, she said, too many details and accounts. its not happening and i blame them both.

It's not he said/she said. The whole "take the test" saga can be traced and verified.

I'm glad that Manny has finally decided to jump on board the USADA bandwagon though. I hear that Rios is training with Memo Heredia so that's probably what did it.


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Schaefer: Mayweather PPV Will Do Over 1 Million Buys                                                                                                                                            Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=65356#ixzz2SqZWjm6K
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by Rick Reeno

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer lashed out when BoxingScene.com questioned him about the circulating industry rumors that last Saturday's Showtime pay-per-view, featuring Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Robert Guerrero in the main event, was a financial disaster.

The event, which took place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, was Mayweather's first bout of an exclusive six-fight deal that was finalized with Showtime earlier this year. He won a rather lopsided twelve round unanimous decision over Guerrero.

As early as Tuesday, industry rumors began to circulate that Mayweather-Guerrero had bombed on pay-per-view - generating less than a million buys - and Showtime was going to lose millions of dollars in the process.

"All of these knuckleheads who said what a f***ing disaster the pay-per-view was and how Showtime lost all this money - all of that is wishful thinking from the spinmasters over there, you know why I'm talking about. This is bullsh*t. How can they know by Tuesday what the pay-per-view did? When I did pay-per-views for the past ten years on HBO, they never told me on Tuesday what the number was. They know on Thursday and Friday is when you start getting a handle on the In-Demand and the cable numbers. That's when you get those numbers," Schaefer told BoxingScene.com.

"Now we are starting to get solid numbers and [the buyrate] is definitely going to be over a million. How much over I don't know. I don't think its going to be that much over a million, but its going be right around there. What were all these people talking about? All of those Top Rankers and HBOers, they are going to come and say 'bullsh*t numbers, bullsh*t numbers.' But not publicly, they are going to be going behind the scenes. Let's do it in the open. Let's go and hire a top three accounting firm to look at our numbers and all of the [Manny] Pacquiao [pay-per-view]numbers. Let the truth be told because we stand behind our numbers."

I asked Schaefer if there was any possible way that industry sources could get handle on the pay-per-view numbers as early as this past Tuesday.

"It is impossible. [to know by Tuesday] and they know that. Anybody with half a brain knows. Everybody knows that the first numbers to come in are from DirecTV [on Tuesday], then you are going to get Dish [Network on Tuesday], and then you are going to get the Telecoms on Wednesday, and then on Thursday you are going to get the [early] cable [numbers], and then on Friday you are going to get the first real cable number. On Thursday you get some indications and on Wednesday you get maybe one or two stations. That's the way it works and it works for every fight exactly the same," Schaefer said.

"And then you get the number you have on Friday, and you add between 10 to 18% by time that you're done with those different reporting cycles because it always increases. It always increased between 10 and 20%, something like that. If you know that you have a million homes on Friday, you know that you are going to end up with at least 1.1 million...it's just the way it works. And if anybody needs a f***ing ABC on how the pay-per-view number collection [process] works, I'll be happy to give it."

There were a few interesting trends in the latest Mayweather pay-per-view numbers. Although three of the four pay-per-view fights involved a Mexican boxer, the event underperformed with the Hispanic market. Guerrero, a Mexican-American, was unable to draw heavy interest from the Hispanic market. However, the event performed much better than expected with the general market, which Schaefer attributes to Mayweather's overall popularity and the added coverage from Showtime's parent company CBS.

"If you look at the DirecTV and the Dish, which are heavy in the Hispanic market - in the Hispanic market the fight underperformed and in the general market the fight over-performed. It is amazing. It's not just on the pay-per-view,. but the general market really carried this fight. Somehow the Hispanic market didn't really identify with Robert or Robert didn't identify with the Hispanic market. It underperformed there. This is not just a case with the pay-per-view. We saw exactly the same [trend] in the closed circuit as well, where it underperformed with the Hispanic market and over-performed with the general market," Schaefer said.

"The same was true with the movie theaters. The movie theaters set a new record for all of the tickets sold. It was higher than the [Mayweather-Cotto] fight, and again it was heavily generated by the general market and light in the Hispanic market. Really interesting trends and it was really interesting because for the first time in two or three fights - Canelo was not on the card [with Mayweather] and Canelo obviously has a huge recognition in the Hispanic market."

Schaefer first took notice of the trend at last Friday's weigh-in, and then he witnessed the trend continue with the live audience.

"You saw a little bit of this [trend] at the weigh-in as well. It was jam-packed to capacity. [Director of sports and promotions] Scott Ghertner of the MGM told me that they had to shut the doors because it was at capacity, and there were another 1,000 people outside. It's not like the numbers were not there, the numbers were there, but it was a relatively quiet crowd. How many Mexican flags did you see at the weigh-in? Very few. And then you think about fight night, you were there, and it was more of a Laker crowd than a Cinco De Mayo crowd," Schaefer said.

"How many Mexican flags did you see when Abner Mares and Ponce De Leon delivered that terrific fight? Even then it was a relatively quiet crowd. It was more of a Lakers crowd. That gave the indication that it was more of a general market crowd and it was the general market that really pushed the pay-per-view. And I think CBS in that regard did a terrific job in delivering that general market. I think the results speak for themselves because I don’t know any other fighter who could have delivered such a strong showing [with the general market] as Floyd did this past weekend. I’m happy for Showtime as well and I'm happy for anyone who was a part of this promotion."

And, the early numbers also reveals that fans were not steered away by the high price tag of $69.95 to purchase a high definition broadcast of the pay-per-view

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"What is interesting as well, when you look at those numbers. When you used to look at the numbers, it used to be 70% in standard definition and 30% in high definition and now the numbers have switched. The price sensitivity in the general market, with [a high definition showing] being 69.95 was not really an issue. If you take the revenues generated with the gate, and the pay-per-view numbers, and the closed circuit, record numbers with movie theaters, foreign revenues were very strong - and if you start adding all of these numbers up - you have revenues [in the realm of] $90 million dollars or something like that, and I don't know too many sporting events or athletes, or for that matter anybody who can generate that kind of money in one night," Schaefer said.

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Kid Chocolate is eyeing a Geale unification match.

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Mayweather, Guerrero, Mares and Ponce Test Negative                                                                                                                                           Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=65357#ixzz2SqhTkpsG
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by David P. Greisman

The Nevada Athletic Commission drug testing has come back with the four main fighters from last week’s pay-per-view card in Las Vegas — Floyd Mayweather, Robert Guerrero, Abner Mares and Daniel Ponce De Leon — testing negative for prohibited substances, according to Keith Kizer, the commission’s executive director.

Mayweather outpointed Guerrero in the main event on May 4, winning 117-111 on all three judges’ scorecards and improving his unblemished record to 44-0 with 26 knockouts. Guerrero fell to 31-2-1 with 18 knockouts and 2 no contests.

On the undercard, Mares knocked down Ponce De Leon twice en route to scoring an impressive technical knockout win, albeit one marred by what appeared to be an early referee stoppage in the ninth round. Mares is now 26-0-1 with 14 knockouts, while Ponce De Leon is now 44-5 with 35 knockouts.

Kizer said he is awaiting the drug test results for the other 12 boxers who appeared underneath Mayweather-Guerrero on May 4, as well as for the 14 fighters from the May 3 show that also took place in Vegas.
 
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5/9/13 11:13 PM
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Wasa-B -verified thru....he/she said.


If you really want I can post links to reliable sources where Team Pac makes claims that blood testing makes him weak. Or where Arum says that WADA is more credible than USADA (only to then have WADA come out with a statement that USADA is their representative in the United States.)

Not to harp on this subject or pick on you specifically. But there were too many arguments on this site over the years to just let this pass without at least noting the hypocrisy.

Ultimately it’s good that he finally caved in. Better late than never I guess, I just wish he would have been this willing to test when it was the only thing holding up the biggest fight in boxing history.

5/10/13 12:09 AM
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Wasa-B -verified thru....he/she said.


If you really want I can post links to reliable sources where Team Pac makes claims that blood testing makes him weak. Or where Arum says that WADA is more credible than USADA (only to then have WADA come out with a statement that USADA is their representative in the United States.)

Not to harp on this subject or pick on you specifically. But there were too many arguments on this site over the years to just let this pass without at least noting the hypocrisy.

Ultimately it’s good that he finally caved in. Better late than never I guess, I just wish he would have been this willing to test when it was the only thing holding up the biggest fight in boxing history.

Well stated. Phone Post 3.0
5/10/13 12:40 AM
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If you really want I can post links to reliable sources where Team Pac makes claims that blood testing makes him weak. Or where Arum says that WADA is more credible than USADA (only to then have WADA come out with a statement that USADA is their representative in the United States.)

Not to harp on this subject or pick on you specifically. But there were too many arguments on this site over the years to just let this pass without at least noting the hypocrisy.

Ultimately it’s good that he finally caved in. Better late than never I guess, I just wish he would have been this willing to test when it was the only thing holding up the biggest fight in boxing history.

Yeah, so when he did Floyd changed his whole 50/50 stance. Manny then offers 45/45 with the winner getting the remaining 10% and he still won't sign. Both men are responsible for it not happening. Seems like I recall Sergio offering to meet him at 154lbs and only ask for 20% after crushing Williams. It's not like Floyd's aggressively tried to make tough fights in awhile. Phone Post
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Chad they could never agree with the cut-off date. Manny said 7 days prior to the fight was too soon..that would weaken him lol. Money was fine, the testing kept the fight from happening. The second negotiations money became an issue. The latest negotations after JMM III, Arum had full of excuses, Floyd offered $40 million and Arum said he wanted 50/50, yet Manny said he'd take less then 50%.

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Wasa-B -verified thru....he/she said.


If you really want I can post links to reliable sources where Team Pac makes claims that blood testing makes him weak. Or where Arum says that WADA is more credible than USADA (only to then have WADA come out with a statement that USADA is their representative in the United States.)

Not to harp on this subject or pick on you specifically. But there were too many arguments on this site over the years to just let this pass without at least noting the hypocrisy.

Ultimately it’s good that he finally caved in. Better late than never I guess, I just wish he would have been this willing to test when it was the only thing holding up the biggest fight in boxing history.


Do you (or BBMVP), agree to the account on Mayweather's wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather,_Jr.

Negotiations with Manny Pacquiao

Seven-division world champion Manny Pacquiao reportedly agreed to fight Mayweather on March 13, 2010 for a split of $50 million.[115] However, the fight was canceled due to disagreements about Olympic- drug tests. Mayweather's camp wanted blood tests by the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which would conduct random tests from training until the fight date.[116] The Pacquiao camp refused to provide samples, only willing to allow blood to be taken if the test were scheduled. Pacquiao's coach, Freddie Roach, stated that he would allow a blood sample to be taken if there was a cut-off date for blood testing or at least one week before the fight.

In an attempt to resolve their differences, the two camps agreed to mediation before a retired judge. After the mediation, Mayweather agreed to a 14-day no-blood-testing window. Pacquiao refused, only agreeing to a 24-day window.[117] On January 7, 2010 Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum declared that the fight was canceled, offering a chance to fight Pacquiao to Joshua Clottey instead; Mayweather accepted the offer to fight Mosley.[118]

It was reported that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer and Top Rank chief Bob Arum were trying to work out the failed negotiations for the bout between Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather asked Pacquiao to undergo random blood and urine testing until fight day. Pacquiao agreed to give blood until 14 days before the fight, which is closer to the fight day than the 18-day cutoff in Mayweather's previous bout against Mosley. Pacquiao said that giving blood too close to the fight day would weaken him, and he has a fear of needles (despite having tattoos on his body). On June 12, 2010, president of Golden Boy Promotions Oscar De La Hoya stated during an interview with a Spanish network that a fight deal was near, although the negotiation process had been difficult.[119]

On June 30 Arum announced that management for both sides had agreed to terms, all points of contention were settled (including Pacquiao agreeing to submit to blood and urine testing) and only Mayweather's signature was needed to seal a deal that could have earned both fighters at least $40 million each.[120] Mayweather was then given a two-week deadline to sign the contract.[121]

On Thursday, July 15, Mayweather was given until midnight Friday midnight to sign the contract. The following day, the Top Rank website embedded a countdown clock with the heading "Money Time: Mayweather's Decision".[122] On July 17, Arum announced that there was no word from Mayweather's camp and a deal for a November 13 fight was not reached.

On July 19, after waiting for Mayweather's response, Leonard Ellerbe (a close adviser) denied that negotiations for a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao had ever taken place. He stated that Arum was not telling the truth, and Pacquiao never agreed to testing until the fight.[123] Arum later criticized De La Hoya and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer for denying that negotiations took place, after De La Hoya previously stated that they were "very, very close in finalizing the contracts".[124]

Arum revealed that HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg acted as mediator between Mayweather's handlers and those of Pacquiao's from Top Rank Promotions.[125] On July 26 Greenburg stated that he had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2, trying to put the fight together, but they were unable to come to an agreement at all (contradicting what Arum and Top Rank had previously said).[126][127] After the second round of negotiations broke off, Mayweather told the Associated Press that he had fought 60 days ago, was in no rush to fight Pacquiao and was not thinking about boxing at the moment.[128]

Almost a year later (on July 8, 2011), Pacquiao's top adviser Michael Koncz stated that Pacquiao had never agreed to testing until fight day (which contradicted Arum and the Pacquiao camp).[129] However, Arum confirmed that Pacquiao had agreed to unlimited random testing administered by the Olympic organization.[130]

Further obstacles to the fight surfaced when Mayweather refused a 50-50 split of earnings with Pacquiao for the fight. Pacquiao was reportedly offered a flat fee of $40 million, with no share of the pay-per-view earnings.[131] Mayweather affirmed that a 50-50 split would not be offered to Pacquiao.[132]
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first part I agree, I believe I posted on here the article from Iole that shows the fight was a go...but Arum and Co couldn't agree to the testing.

the second part was too much finger pointing, with the advisor, Arum and Ellerbe saying this and that.

the last attempt came after the 3rd JMM fight.

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And no offense taken, i remember the Pac camp claiming the weakening and all the back and forth and some progress seemingly made but lost patience after a while and tuned out.

As far as the cut off dates, what is the standard USADA usually goes by?
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USADA is usually random, no cutoff...I remember Mosley complaining during 24/7 lol.

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first part I agree, I believe I posted on here the article from Iole that shows the fight was a go...but Arum and Co couldn't agree to the testing.

the second part was too much finger pointing, with the advisor, Arum and Ellerbe saying this and that.

the last attempt came after the 3rd JMM fight.


Let me know if im summarizing correctly:

First Part) "In an attempt to resolve their differences, the two camps agreed to mediation before a retired judge. After the mediation, Mayweather agreed to a 14-day no-blood-testing window. Pacquiao refused, only agreeing to a 24-day window.[117] On January 7, 2010 Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum declared that the fight was canceled, offering a chance to fight Pacquiao to Joshua Clottey instead; Mayweather accepted the offer to fight Moslely"

Second Part) Everything between the above, the cancellation on Jan. 7, 2010 to the bottom of the post

Third Part) After JMM III, post Nov. 12, 2011

- Was there any progress in the 3rd attempt?
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USADA is usually random, no cutoff...I remember Mosley complaining during 24/7 lol.


Mosely has also been busted before, right?

But what about "Mayweather asked Pacquiao to undergo random blood and urine testing until fight day. Pacquiao agreed to give blood until 14 days before the fight, which is closer to the fight day than the 18-day cutoff in Mayweather's previous bout against Mosley."
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looks about right bro...

from what I recall, after the third JMM fight...Manny said he wanted Floyd next in his post fight interview in the ring. Don't think Arum liked that, because 20 mins later, he's on ESPN Deportes I believe it was, saying he wants a 4th fight with JMM lol. 

Arum then went on with different complaints, saying he wanted to build a stadium in Vegas, it wouldn't be ready by May 5th in 2012. He also said the cut sustained in the fight with JMM, wouldn't heal by then either. That's when the phone call happened between Floyd/Manny, Manny agreed to the smaller cut, but Arum said no. He demanded 50/50, and no to $40 million.

Arum doesn't like Floyd or Oscar because they both left him, and became superstars. Isn't funny he can't get along with either? I wonder why lol.

these guys want to fight, it's the promoters that keep things from happening because of greed and personal issues. 

even Ariza was complaining about Arum and Koncz, he was on Fighthype saying he had a lot of crap on Arum he wouldn't release.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--floyd-mayweather-and-manny-pacquiao-nearly-agreed-to-a-2010-fight.html read that bro, after the initial cut-off wasn't agreed upon..both camps were trying to get each other to agreed on different cut offs.
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Thanks man, will check up on it....yeah, as much as a Pac fan i am, i just wanted the fight to happen period....and i realize Arum is the epitome of the scummy shade ass boxing promoter. Didnt know about the phone call either, dam! Who called who? Floyd called Manny?

I guess we'll never know but hearing that, it seems like it coulda happened ironically if left to the fighters. I take it Floyd pretty much calls the shots in his camp and that Manny perhaps was too much like Fedor in leaving his business to Arum?

I guess there were legit sticking points but that they could have made it happen if both sides wanted to. Shamne.

Thanks for the info mang..

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