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the contract was "Up" to six fights, so he's not obligated to fight all six.

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I had it 11-1, masterful perfomance by Floyd, defense looked outstanding, using his legs when people said he couldn't lol...he showed what every right handed fighter needs to do against a southpaw, lead right hand...I love how after the 5th when Guerrero was expecting the lead right ,Floyd would mix it up with a looping right hand. Would also throw in some lead left hooks..the straights to the body did Guerrero in. 

love or hate him, no one breaks an opponent down like Floyd, he got better as the fight went on. To whoever said Floyd ducked Cotto lol, Arum kept Cotto far away from Floyd at 140.


I thought the fight was alright. I dont like Floyd as a "person" though Im sure he plays the shit up though he still doesnt seem likeable but i really dont care for that shit so much as the fighting, I usu like to watch him fight but didnt enjoy that fight as much as the others. This is from my limited boxing knowledge but while i saw him still with his reflexes and speed and movement in tact, i just saw him doing just enough even though he was mixing it up nicely and yeah, those right hand leads were nice.

What do you think of the comparison to GSP in that he is technically so superior to his opponents and seems to have them outclassed but is so risk adverse that he doesnt kick it up a notch when he seems he is capable of generating more significant offense? Im still a GSP fan btw but frustrated at the same time and losing some interest in watching him fight.

On the technical front, where you say right handers should fight southpaws with the right handl lead, does that also go for southpaws on right handers (that they should go with a left lead)?
5/6/13 2:59 PM
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I had it 11-1, masterful perfomance by Floyd, defense looked outstanding, using his legs when people said he couldn't lol...he showed what every right handed fighter needs to do against a southpaw, lead right hand...I love how after the 5th when Guerrero was expecting the lead right ,Floyd would mix it up with a looping right hand. Would also throw in some lead left hooks..the straights to the body did Guerrero in. 

love or hate him, no one breaks an opponent down like Floyd, he got better as the fight went on. To whoever said Floyd ducked Cotto lol, Arum kept Cotto far away from Floyd at 140.


I thought the fight was alright. I dont like Floyd as a "person" though Im sure he plays the shit up though he still doesnt seem likeable but i really dont care for that shit so much as the fighting, I usu like to watch him fight but didnt enjoy that fight as much as the others. This is from my limited boxing knowledge but while i saw him still with his reflexes and speed and movement in tact, i just saw him doing just enough even though he was mixing it up nicely and yeah, those right hand leads were nice.

What do you think of the comparison to GSP in that he is technically so superior to his opponents and seems to have them outclassed but is so risk adverse that he doesnt kick it up a notch when he seems he is capable of generating more significant offense? Im still a GSP fan btw but frustrated at the same time and losing some interest in watching him fight.

On the technical front, where you say right handers should fight southpaws with the right handl lead, does that also go for southpaws on right handers (that they should go with a left lead)?

the comparison is not accurate regarding the guerrero figh, he hurt his hand mid rounds
5/6/13 3:01 PM
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Floyd trashes Manny, and people will say, you didn't fight him at his peak.


If they fought now, I would consider them both as not at their primes so good enough. Pac seemed to have lost his killer instinct of late but he seemed to have it back ironically vs Marquez but ironically got killed instead.

As i was watching the Guerro fight, i kept on thinking that man, it would be so much better if this was Pac, obviously, lol but Floyd would have obviously fought Pac differently than Guerrero right? But you would consider the DLH and Cotto fights to be competitive right? Would Pac also not be able to make it a very competitive fight considering the speed, the footwork, the power in both hands? Guerrero seemed to befuddled to really mount anything. Pac would bring it more im sure but would that play more into Floyd's hands?

How different do you see Floyd and Marquez? Floyd is bigger, faster (welll maybe not bigger anymore) but would you consider Marquez a more aggressive counter fighter than Floyd would be, i dunno more a more classic counter fighter?

What about if this bigger Marquez were to fight Floyd now? Any difference?
5/6/13 3:46 PM
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Mayweather/Guerrero in HD if anyone wants it

5/6/13 5:44 PM
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I had it 11-1, masterful perfomance by Floyd, defense looked outstanding, using his legs when people said he couldn't lol...he showed what every right handed fighter needs to do against a southpaw, lead right hand...I love how after the 5th when Guerrero was expecting the lead right ,Floyd would mix it up with a looping right hand. Would also throw in some lead left hooks..the straights to the body did Guerrero in. 

love or hate him, no one breaks an opponent down like Floyd, he got better as the fight went on. To whoever said Floyd ducked Cotto lol, Arum kept Cotto far away from Floyd at 140.


I thought the fight was alright. I dont like Floyd as a "person" though Im sure he plays the shit up though he still doesnt seem likeable but i really dont care for that shit so much as the fighting, I usu like to watch him fight but didnt enjoy that fight as much as the others. This is from my limited boxing knowledge but while i saw him still with his reflexes and speed and movement in tact, i just saw him doing just enough even though he was mixing it up nicely and yeah, those right hand leads were nice.

What do you think of the comparison to GSP in that he is technically so superior to his opponents and seems to have them outclassed but is so risk adverse that he doesnt kick it up a notch when he seems he is capable of generating more significant offense? Im still a GSP fan btw but frustrated at the same time and losing some interest in watching him fight.

On the technical front, where you say right handers should fight southpaws with the right handl lead, does that also go for southpaws on right handers (that they should go with a left lead)?

thanks for the reply bro..I can see the comparison in ways, because Floyd really doesn't need to take the "chances", unless need be, or he decides to step on the gas. He really doesn't have the desire to try and KO anyone, he has the satisfication of just dominating people on the cards. 

He's so well rounded, depending on the opponent and his adjustments during the fight...he can mix up his punches to his liking.

the left cross and right hook is money for Southpaws, plus they generally have the advantages in fights. Countering the right hand with the cross is best.

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Any fights this weekend? Phone Post 3.0
5/6/13 5:50 PM
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Floyd trashes Manny, and people will say, you didn't fight him at his peak.


If they fought now, I would consider them both as not at their primes so good enough. Pac seemed to have lost his killer instinct of late but he seemed to have it back ironically vs Marquez but ironically got killed instead.

As i was watching the Guerro fight, i kept on thinking that man, it would be so much better if this was Pac, obviously, lol but Floyd would have obviously fought Pac differently than Guerrero right? But you would consider the DLH and Cotto fights to be competitive right? Would Pac also not be able to make it a very competitive fight considering the speed, the footwork, the power in both hands? Guerrero seemed to befuddled to really mount anything. Pac would bring it more im sure but would that play more into Floyd's hands?

How different do you see Floyd and Marquez? Floyd is bigger, faster (welll maybe not bigger anymore) but would you consider Marquez a more aggressive counter fighter than Floyd would be, i dunno more a more classic counter fighter?

What about if this bigger Marquez were to fight Floyd now? Any difference?

yea, Floyd would definitely fight Manny differently, he'd be more the counter puncher. I thought Oscar was his most competitive fight since Castillo 1. 

Pacquiao would be dangerous because he throws punches from weird angles, but watch that breakdown video. Floyd would smother Guerrero's punches. After the lead right hand Floyd would jump in and clinch, or control Guerrero's head and take a step out of range, or he would grab under Guerrero's arms and turn him. He did little things to offset his game. Things like this would frustrate Manny because he's not a good boxer, nor does he have great footwork.

that's why JMM had such success with him, foot work and being a better boxer. JMM takes more chances with brawling, so yea, he's more aggressive then Floyd.

I see the same outcome with JMM/Floyd, Floyd is too defensive minded, quick and intelligent..and his reach is very deceptive. That's one thing JMM said he had problems with, hard to get around that long arms.

5/6/13 6:00 PM
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Pacman vs. Brandon Rios on November 23 Phone Post 3.0
5/6/13 6:10 PM
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Massive supporter of both guys. The popular pick will be Pac via beating late TKO. But if there is a time for Rios to win this fight its now.
Think of this, how many fighters have ever been KO'd like that and come back the same?
5/6/13 6:15 PM
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jdindiana - Any fights this weekend? Phone Post 3.0

biggest names is Burns/Darchinyan this weekend, next weekend is Peterson/Matthysse.

5/6/13 6:16 PM
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easy fight for Pacquiao if he fights smart.

5/6/13 6:20 PM
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you guys who the rios fight is a prime set up for?

5/6/13 6:22 PM
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hahha yea

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Alvarado vs Provodnikov, that needs to be made on the undercard.

5/6/13 6:29 PM
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I had it 11-1, masterful perfomance by Floyd, defense looked outstanding, using his legs when people said he couldn't lol...he showed what every right handed fighter needs to do against a southpaw, lead right hand...I love how after the 5th when Guerrero was expecting the lead right ,Floyd would mix it up with a looping right hand. Would also throw in some lead left hooks..the straights to the body did Guerrero in. 

love or hate him, no one breaks an opponent down like Floyd, he got better as the fight went on. To whoever said Floyd ducked Cotto lol, Arum kept Cotto far away from Floyd at 140.


I thought the fight was alright. I dont like Floyd as a "person" though Im sure he plays the shit up though he still doesnt seem likeable but i really dont care for that shit so much as the fighting, I usu like to watch him fight but didnt enjoy that fight as much as the others. This is from my limited boxing knowledge but while i saw him still with his reflexes and speed and movement in tact, i just saw him doing just enough even though he was mixing it up nicely and yeah, those right hand leads were nice.

What do you think of the comparison to GSP in that he is technically so superior to his opponents and seems to have them outclassed but is so risk adverse that he doesnt kick it up a notch when he seems he is capable of generating more significant offense? Im still a GSP fan btw but frustrated at the same time and losing some interest in watching him fight.

On the technical front, where you say right handers should fight southpaws with the right handl lead, does that also go for southpaws on right handers (that they should go with a left lead)?

thanks for the reply bro..I can see the comparison in ways, because Floyd really doesn't need to take the "chances", unless need be, or he decides to step on the gas. He really doesn't have the desire to try and KO anyone, he has the satisfication of just dominating people on the cards. 

He's so well rounded, depending on the opponent and his adjustments during the fight...he can mix up his punches to his liking.

the left cross and right hook is money for Southpaws, plus they generally have the advantages in fights. Countering the right hand with the cross is best.


And thank you.

I guess the difference between GSP and Floyd is that MMA fans are much more foaming for entertainment and action that GSP gets it harder from the "fans." Floyd has his share of detractors but a lot of that is because he plays the heel and there are a lot of even legit fans that arent that thrilled from his performances but it appears any legit fan appreciates the skill. With GSP, i dont think anyone doesnt see the skill either but i think there is much more pressure on him to finish.

Are you into kickboxing too? How you do think Petrosyan compares to Floyd? Both guys are considered technical and strategic masters that are not big finishers but considered the best in the game....well I dont think Petro has the equivalent of a rival like Pac though. ;p I really enjoy watching Petro fight.
5/6/13 6:32 PM
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UGCTT_Charles Bronsons Mustache - Massive supporter of both guys. The popular pick will be Pac via beating late TKO. But if there is a time for Rios to win this fight its now.
Think of this, how many fighters have ever been KO'd like that and come back the same?

off the top of my head, Manny and RJJ

5/6/13 6:34 PM
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Floyd trashes Manny, and people will say, you didn't fight him at his peak.


If they fought now, I would consider them both as not at their primes so good enough. Pac seemed to have lost his killer instinct of late but he seemed to have it back ironically vs Marquez but ironically got killed instead.

As i was watching the Guerro fight, i kept on thinking that man, it would be so much better if this was Pac, obviously, lol but Floyd would have obviously fought Pac differently than Guerrero right? But you would consider the DLH and Cotto fights to be competitive right? Would Pac also not be able to make it a very competitive fight considering the speed, the footwork, the power in both hands? Guerrero seemed to befuddled to really mount anything. Pac would bring it more im sure but would that play more into Floyd's hands?

How different do you see Floyd and Marquez? Floyd is bigger, faster (welll maybe not bigger anymore) but would you consider Marquez a more aggressive counter fighter than Floyd would be, i dunno more a more classic counter fighter?

What about if this bigger Marquez were to fight Floyd now? Any difference?

yea, Floyd would definitely fight Manny differently, he'd be more the counter puncher. I thought Oscar was his most competitive fight since Castillo 1. 

Pacquiao would be dangerous because he throws punches from weird angles, but watch that breakdown video. Floyd would smother Guerrero's punches. After the lead right hand Floyd would jump in and clinch, or control Guerrero's head and take a step out of range, or he would grab under Guerrero's arms and turn him. He did little things to offset his game. Things like this would frustrate Manny because he's not a good boxer, nor does he have great footwork.

that's why JMM had such success with him, foot work and being a better boxer. JMM takes more chances with brawling, so yea, he's more aggressive then Floyd.

I see the same outcome with JMM/Floyd, Floyd is too defensive minded, quick and intelligent..and his reach is very deceptive. That's one thing JMM said he had problems with, hard to get around that long arms.


Who did you have winning in the first 3 Pac/JMM fights?
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Oh and you didnt think Floyd/Cotto was competitive? Surely better than the Guerrero fight?
5/6/13 6:38 PM
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Alvarado vs Provodnikov, that needs to be made on the undercard.


I'd watch that as the main event, only problem is provodinkov is at 147 now.
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Roy Jones was never even close to the same after he fought Tarver.
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buddie - Roy Jones was never even close to the same after he fought Tarver.

 


he continued boxing at a decent professional level in my eyes. It wasn't a Pacquiao-Hatton KO into retirement.

 

I wasn't argumentative about it, I never said anywhere in that post Roy came back a superstar. The Manny KO's were also years ago in the Phillipines

I guess 'the same' is considered 'prime'.

I should also add in which case, you're right. Roy (no accusations here lol) doing whatever he did to get to heavy then dropping and changing weight was no good to an already aging guy IMO. I also thought it was pretty incredible Tarver dropped the famous "yeah I got a question, you got any excuses tonight Roy?" in the staredown and then blasted him in the 2nd.

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So why didnt pac fight Alvarado as this is a much more competitive fight. This seems like a much easier fight for him since Rios fights one way which is perfect for Pac.




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UGCTT_Charles Bronsons Mustache - Massive supporter of both guys. The popular pick will be Pac via beating late TKO. But if there is a time for Rios to win this fight its now.
Think of this, how many fighters have ever been KO'd like that and come back the same?

off the top of my head, Manny and RJJ


1. Neither guy was out cold for a couple of minutes. I'm aware people have come back from tkos etc. Im talking wake their ass up with a smelling salt kinda KO.
2. RJJ was clearly diminished after that KO.
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i'm too tired to support myself here. the next time I want to post Manny getting knocked and Roy on the floor for some lols, i'll pick a better time.

 


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