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8/24/14 8:54 PM
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Idk guys I don't think he was fighting out of character I just think he thought he was going to out-class Dawson and paid the price for his brashness by getting sat down twice in the 3rd. Nothing more. Trout's crew handpicked Dawson, so perhaps that overconfidence was the reason for fighting a little too loose. He cleaned it up afterwards though.

Honestly, Austin looks big and athletic but doesn't fight that way. He's not that fast and his lack of anticipation results in taking more damage than you think he should.

I've only watched his last 5 fights, but seeing what Canelo did to him should give you an idea of his limitations. Canelo was faster and clowned him most of the night, and Canelo isn't exactly known for speed.

I don't think he'll ever be successful on the elite level for what it's worth. Phone Post 3.0
8/24/14 11:48 PM
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That was a pretty good fight for FNF
8/25/14 12:12 PM
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Oak the Toke - Idk guys I don't think he was fighting out of character I just think he thought he was going to out-class Dawson and paid the price for his brashness by getting sat down twice in the 3rd. Nothing more. Trout's crew handpicked Dawson, so perhaps that overconfidence was the reason for fighting a little too loose. He cleaned it up afterwards though.

Honestly, Austin looks big and athletic but doesn't fight that way. He's not that fast and his lack of anticipation results in taking more damage than you think he should.

I've only watched his last 5 fights, but seeing what Canelo did to him should give you an idea of his limitations. Canelo was faster and clowned him most of the night, and Canelo isn't exactly known for speed.

I don't think he'll ever be successful on the elite level for what it's worth. Phone Post 3.0

Actually Canelo's handspeed is quit excellent.
8/25/14 1:33 PM
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Wlad had to pull out of fight, torn biceps 

8/25/14 1:39 PM
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Wlad had to pull out of fight, torn biceps 


Good news is fight is only getting postponed 1-2 months.
8/25/14 1:48 PM
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yea that's good, must of been a slight tear 

8/25/14 4:00 PM
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Arum: Pacquiao-Algieri Reminiscent Of Dempsey-Tunney

 

By Jake Donovan

For every fight deemed by the viewing public as a potential mismatch, those involved will come up with any number of past upsets in pointing out that fights are fought in the ring and not on paper.

In promoting the upcoming November welterweight bout between Manny Pacquiao and unbeaten Chris Algieri, Hall of Fame promoter reached all the way back to the 1920s to draw a proper parallel.

“Way back just a little bit before my time – which people claim is when dinosaurs still roamed the Earth – there was a heavyweight championship fight between the great Jack Dempsey and challenger Gene Tunney,” Arum pointed out to the assembled media during the Macau leg of the 27,000-mile press tour. “Dempsey was a brawler, Tunney was a boxer.

“Tunney was also highly educated, as Chris is. Graduated college, had his Master’s degree. Nobody gave Tunney a chance, but he defeated Dempsey. In the rematch, he beat him again.”

Their rivalry is best remembered for “The Long Count,” which took place in 1927, nearly one year following Tunney’s upset to win the heavyweight championship. Dempsey floored Tunney but failed to respond to what at the time was a new rule in place in which the fighter scoring a knockdown was required to go to a neutral corner. Tunney was down for what was estimated to be a true count of 14 seconds, but due to the delay was up at the referee’s count of “nine,” and recovering well enough to defend the championship before calling it a career.

What many seem to forget is that the first fight brought to an end a seven-year reign enjoyed by Dempsey, at the time one of the most feared punchers in heavyweight history.

The aforementioned heavyweight championship bout took place in Sept. 1926, boasting at the time the largest ever crowd for a prizefight, with more than 120,000 fans in attendance to witness what would become a historic upset. Tunney was unfazed by the event – and if he was, he certainly kept his cool about it.

Algieri is already prepared to send similar shockwaves through the boxing world, appreciative of the opportunity to share the stage from Pacquiao but not to where he plans to hide from the spotlight.

“I earned the opportunity to be here,” insists Algieri (20-0, 8KOs), who holds a Master’s degree in healthcare science. The articulate New Yorker rose to prominence earlier this year in a massive upset of Ruslan Provodnikov, who was being groomed for a fight with Pacquiao at the time.

The split decision in favor of Algieri was disputed by fans and media alike, but the unbeaten boxer’s heart was on full display, overcoming two official knockdowns in the opening round and a grotesquely swollen eye to claim the upset win and an alphabet super lightweight title to go along with it. The feat made him a frontrunner for this fight, which he accepted earlier this summer.

“I bled for this, I worked hard for this. I can promise you this – I will work very hard to become welterweight champion on November 23.”

The threat of this claim coming to fruition is hardly on his more famous opponent.

“I know Algieri is undefeated, He's the champion of the junior welterweight division. He's undefeated, he's a good boxer,” acknowledges Pacquiao (56-5-2, 38KOs), who reclaimed a welterweight belt with a unanimous decision over Tim Bradley in their rematch this past April. “I saw his last fight with Ruslan. He's a tough fighter, he took a lot of punches. He's a good boxer. This is going to be a good fight.”

The title fight marks the one-year anniversary of Pacquiao’s first fight in Macau, a 12-round whitewash of Brandon Rios. That bout represented the first step towards a return to prominence for the legendary fighting pride of Philippines, who hadn’t fought since a shocking 6th round knockout loss to Juan Manuel Marquez in their epic fourth fight in Dec. ’12.

The win over Rios enabled Pacquiao to return to the title stage with the aforementioned win over Bradley. However, it was a completely different look than what he – and the fans – will see in November.

“The last fight we had here with Brandon Rios, we did a good job. But Chris Algieri is different than Brandon Rios,” Pacquiao recognizes. “He's faster than Rios and taller than Rios. We have to work hard behind closed doors in training camp to win this fight.”

The odds makers will be thrilled to heart. Lofty expectations have already been placed on the well-defined shoulders of Pacquiao, who opened as a 14-1 favorite. He was also a big betting favorite heading into his first fight with Bradley, which resulted in a shocking – and highly controversial – split decision in favor of the Californian to end Pacquiao’s near three-year stay as a welterweight titlist.

Algieri was a big underdog heading into the fight with Provodnikov, again in a bout featuring a disputed yet shocking outcome resulting in a title changing hands.

As history has always told, anything can happen in the ring. Promoters are obligated to remind the viewing audience of that to help sell any given fight - but for some, just not to the degree in which the unthinkable actually pans out.

“In a lot of ways, this fight is reminiscent of the great (Dempsey-Tunney) fight of the 1920's.” Arum insists. “Manny Pacquiao is going to do everything he can to make sure history isn't going to repeat.”

8/25/14 4:02 PM
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Bute Likely To Work With Freddie Roach For 12/6

 

By Luke Furman

Former IBF super middleweight champion Lucian Bute (31-2, 24 KOs) will likely work with Hall of Fame trainer Freddie Roach for his scheduled return on December 6th at the Bell Centre in Montreal, according to TVA Sports. While two sources close to the boxer have confirmed the information, Roach has yet to confirm the news on his end.

It's not clear if Roach will actually be working in Bute's corner, because the trainer will be deep in training camp with WBC middleweight Miguel Cotto for his ring return on December 13th at New York's Madison Square Garden.

Bute will return for the first time since suffering a twelve round decision loss to countyrman Jean Pascal on January 18th.

Promoter Jean Bedard of InterBox says Bute will return against a "quality opponent."

"Lucian wants to make a comeback in a big way. He's always attracted good crowds, even before he was world champion," Bedard told QMI Agency. "From the moment the team is formed, we will accelerate the selection of the opponent.

"It was necessary in his case [for Lucian to take an extended layoff]. He had a lot of questions. It was important for him to understand what had happened and what was going on in his career for the last two or three years. He was no longer able to perform as he did in the [previous years]."

8/25/14 4:07 PM
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Canelo's Manager: Chavez Still Possible, Only at 160

 

By Miguel Rivera

According to manager/co-trainer Edison Reynoso, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (44-1-1, 32KOs) could still face Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (48-1-1, 32KOs) - but only if the fight takes place at the middleweight limit of 160-pounds.

Canelo-Chavez is still the biggest fight in Mexican boxing. At one point the two fighters were a division apart but the match became more distant when Chavez moved up to 168-pounds late last year. Canelo's last two fights have taken place at 155-pounds.

While it's very unlikely, Chavez claims he can still make the middleweight limit.

"A possible confrontation between Chavez and Alvarez has been mentioned for quite some time and it would only be possible at 160-pounds, where there is no advantage for anyone," said Reynoso.

Chavez's return is uknown. Canelo and his team will meet with Golden Boy Promotions next week to discuss a return on a date in December.
8/25/14 4:14 PM
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"“In a lot of ways, this fight is reminiscent of the great (Dempsey-Tunney) fight of the 1920's.” Arum insists."

LOL at this nonsense.
8/25/14 4:27 PM
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lol I thought the same thing Tomato....Bob is gonna Bob

8/25/14 6:21 PM
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Tomato Can - "“In a lot of ways, this fight is reminiscent of the great (Dempsey-Tunney) fight of the 1920's.” Arum insists."

LOL at this nonsense.

When I see Bob Arum in front of a microphone at any promotional press conference, I see this....

8/25/14 6:24 PM
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Tomato Can - "“In a lot of ways, this fight is reminiscent of the great (Dempsey-Tunney) fight of the 1920's.” Arum insists."

LOL at this nonsense.

some of the worst hyperbole in boxing ever

8/25/14 6:26 PM
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Canelo's Manager: Chavez Still Possible, Only at 160

 

By Miguel Rivera

According to manager/co-trainer Edison Reynoso, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (44-1-1, 32KOs) could still face Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (48-1-1, 32KOs) - but only if the fight takes place at the middleweight limit of 160-pounds.

Canelo-Chavez is still the biggest fight in Mexican boxing. At one point the two fighters were a division apart but the match became more distant when Chavez moved up to 168-pounds late last year. Canelo's last two fights have taken place at 155-pounds.

While it's very unlikely, Chavez claims he can still make the middleweight limit.

"A possible confrontation between Chavez and Alvarez has been mentioned for quite some time and it would only be possible at 160-pounds, where there is no advantage for anyone," said Reynoso.

Chavez's return is uknown. Canelo and his team will meet with Golden Boy Promotions next week to discuss a return on a date in December.

canelo would not be smart tot ake that fight. if jr squeezes back down to 160 he would be 180 in the ring. chavez comes forward, knows how to use his weight on guys, solid puncher and an iron jaw. bad matchup for canelo. 

8/25/14 6:26 PM
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My views on today's matchmaking and promotion at the top level in boxing with the now split Golden Boy.....

8/25/14 7:01 PM
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lol good stuff Subb

8/26/14 5:00 PM
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Floyd/Maidana II will begin an hour early, trying to increase viewership 

8/26/14 5:03 PM
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FIRED UP MARCOS MAIDANA TO FLOYD MAYWEATHER: "STOP CRYING LIKE A LITTLE B...STAND AND FIGHT"

 

 

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article17692.html
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I'm thinking Mayweather vs. Maidana doesn't do great but does much better than Pacquiao's fight. Maybe next May we'll get a big one.
8/27/14 12:14 AM
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Maidana dares Mayweather to ‘fight like a man’

http://www.manilatimes.net/maidana-dares-mayweather-to-fight-like-a-man/121959/
8/27/14 12:13 PM
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I didn't read the story, but heard Jermaine Taylor apparently shot his cousin. He posted bail and still might be able to fight Soliman.
8/27/14 12:36 PM
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Yea Taylor was arrested last night for domestic battery and aggravated assault. He shot his cousin several times. ESPN is "reviewing the situation".
8/27/14 1:45 PM
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too many concussions?

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Pacquiao To Help Create Champions in China

By Vincent Yu

Manny Pacquiao is setting up a boxing institute in China and believes the country of 1.4 billion people can produce world champions. Pacquiao said Wednesday that he has partnered with a Chinese company and the Chinese government to set up an institute in his name, with the aim of imparting the experience that has seen him become an eight division champion.

He was speaking from Shanghai where he is promoting his Nov. 22 WBO welterweight title fight in Macau. Pacquiao, 35, said the Manny Pacquiao Boxing Education Institute will "start in Beijing, and the plan is for the whole of China."

While China has produced accomplished fighters and Olympic champions at amateur level, there is potential to translate that to professional ranks, saying the local boxers "just need some knowledge about boxing and should be taught the basics."

"Of course, with 1.4 billion population for the whole China, they can produce good fighters like other champions," he said.

Pacquiao, who is also a congressman, told ABS-CBN television in Manila he intends his new venture to also foster warmer relationships between the Philippines and China, whose territorial dispute in the South China Sea has intensified in recent months.

"This will even help in strengthening our relationship ... especially since in this project, the Chinese government is involved," he said.

Pacquiao said he would visit the academy "once a month, once in three months, to supervise them."
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Team Andre Ward: Golovkin's Side is Running For Cover

 

By Rick Reeno

The team behind super middleweight king Andre Ward (27-0, 14KOs), manager James Prince and legal adviser Josh Dubin, spoke to BoxingScene.com to respond to some recent statements that were made by Oleg Hermann, the manager of IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (30-0, 27KOs).

Regarding a potential fight between Golovkin and Ward, Hermann says the idea is too risky to pursue - because Ward has ongoing legal issues with his promoter of record, Dan Goossen.

"Ward files lawsuits, calls for a fight, but he does not come out to the ring - and that's the problem. No one knows how long it's all going to last. Yes Andre Ward says he is ready, but Gennady is also ready to discuss [a potential fight]. Even if we agree on all of the terms - [we can't do the fight] without the participation of his promoter," Hermann told BoxingScene/Allboxing.ru.

"It is also difficult to see how we can work with Ward, his team and his promoter and promote the big fight when there is a war between them - the fight would be at risk every day. The only way [to do a fight] is for them to find a solution. I hope they solve this problem in the near future, and then we will be able to sit down at the negotiating table."

"While Ward continues to sue his promoter, he shouldn't mention GGG's name and talk about a potential fight, which he knows and we know, cannot take place in his current situation."

Dubin tells BoxingScene that there is absolutely nothing standing in the way of Ward and Goossen working together for a Golovkin fight on HBO.

"This is just more nonsense from Golovkin's side. Andre Ward made an agreement with Dan Goossen, right after the legal action was filed, that they would continue working together until the legal action was resolved. That agreement is still in place. There is no impediment for the Golovkin fight happening at all. Andre Ward is ready, willing and able. We're just waiting on an offer. All of this nonsense about [the legal action] affecting the promotion is nonsense," Dubin told BoxingScene.com.

"The reason they are running for cover, in our opinion, is because they know as soon as he steps in the ring with Andre Ward - the party is over....no more being able to sell the people these ridiculous fantasies that he's somewhere in the same [class] as 'Sugar' Ray Robinson. The fight can be made. All they have to do is pick up the phone."

Prince noted to BoxingScene that certain members of Golovkin's team are intentionally piling up the roadblocks, like stating that a potential fight with Ward would require a 50-50 financial agreement. 

"Here is the thing with the manager, the promoter and the trainer - they are looking for the opportunity to hide behind something to protect their fighter and keep him out of the ring with Andre Ward - whether it's 50-50 or something else. They are going to come up all kinds of things to stop them from coming to the table for Dre Day. And Dre Day is the day that Golovkin steps in the ring with Andre Ward and get destroyed. His team is going to try to protect him," Prince told BoxingScene.com.

"They don't believe in the fighter. The fighter might believe in himself but the team don't believe in him, and that's why wanted him to go up to 168 for [Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.] Chavez but not for Andre Ward."

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