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3/21/13 6:51 PM
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ridge - I get all this witnessing.

I just don't get why when asked some textual questions, you return to an evolution discussion. Please don't respond with more witnessing. I'll just bow out if that's where this is going -- no offense meant or taken; I just don't want to be involved in more changing of the subject or "overwhelm by repetition".
3/22/13 5:44 PM
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I stated that we did not evolve from soup. You have not answered one question about the validity of your beliefs. You are obviously defeated and mentally controlled by the true revisionist history that has been made up by your pathetic spritual leaders. I bet you are simply speechless trying to figure out how to avoid this simple claim that the KJV is the infallible word of God. You have avoided it 4 times now. That means you don't have an anwer and you blatantly lied about what I believe. Your best line is Soup ? you are a retard. Your spiritual leaders are pathetic men of false religion and you are dumbe enough to follow them. Everyone except you obviously ses that you are avoiding my question.

 

You have invalidated anything you say by simply refusing to defend your faith outside of copying and pasting random out of context versus. You are a blind man living in a false world . By the way, do you beat your wife? Do you handmake your clothes. How often do you go from here to the porn ground? I suspect you are nothing more than a blow hard who leads a double life.

3/22/13 6:41 PM
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Still hungry for soup...

humanity soup. Yum! Phone Post
3/22/13 6:49 PM
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Oh, and ridge hand...

You, sir, know NOTHING of my doctrine. Don't pretend that you do. You know what you know and nothing else since your beliefs place you at the very edges of normal, conventional society...if you did know what I believe in, it would

blow

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mind

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3/24/13 6:50 PM
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mcgoogle66 -  Oh, and ridge hand...

You, sir, know NOTHING of my doctrine. Don't pretend that you do. You know what you know and nothing else since your beliefs place you at the very edges of normal, conventional society...if you did know what I believe in, it would

blow

your

mind

wide

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Now this is promising! Can you share? (I know it wasn't directed at me, but it's still a cool little teaser).
3/25/13 2:29 AM
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Ali - ridge - I get all this witnessing.

I just don't get why when asked some textual questions, you return to an evolution discussion. Please don't respond with more witnessing. I'll just bow out if that's where this is going -- no offense meant or taken; I just don't want to be involved in more changing of the subject or "overwhelm by repetition".

Ali, what's your question?

I've given the bases on which I contend the KJV is God's Word

I'm not going to waste my time responding to all of zealot66's 'antichrist.com' cut and pastings

notice how the scoffers always cower from stating what it is they believe...always

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? (Matt. 8:29)
3/25/13 7:25 AM
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I thought the question about what basis for giving such primacy to the KJV was a good question.

But if you don't want to go there, that's ok -- I don't want to chase around changing of the subject, or reading repeats of what's already been said on this thread either.
3/25/13 4:47 PM
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You are so full of shit. Notice no one even is engaging you except me? You gave no solid reason or any reason that the KJV is the word of God without Error. NOTHING. In your last dying gasping death of embarassment, you label me as antichrist. You are too ignorant in the faith to argue with me. You wouldn't understand anything put forth anyway. You are an idiot. Keep your soup argument going, we all are just teetering on the edge of conversion. 

3/25/13 10:11 PM
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How can one not believe in the bible ??
If you need proof just look at the prophecy concerning Israel and Jerusalem in the last days..
Rome destroyed Jerusalem (in which Israel fell)somewhere around 73AD Jews were then forced into exile . They found home in many different parts of the world ( which was there punishment for denying the messiah)
Then amazingly in 1945 Jews(after the worst persecution which caused a World War) gathered from all corners of the world to rebirth a nation in which had ceased to exist for around 1872 years
Which were all prophesied in the bible by Daniel Isaiah Ezekiel and Zachariah !!! Phone Post
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How can one not believe in the bible ??
If you need proof just look at the prophecy concerning Israel and Jerusalem in the last days..
Rome destroyed Jerusalem (in which Israel fell)somewhere around 73AD Jews were then forced into exile . They found home in many different parts of the world ( which was there punishment for denying the messiah)
Then amazingly in 1945 Jews(after the worst persecution which caused a World War) gathered from all corners of the world to rebirth a nation in which had ceased to exist for around 1872 years
Which were all prophesied in the bible by Daniel Isaiah Ezekiel and Zachariah !!! Phone Post



are you saying this is relevant to:
- the story of the Flood and Kent Hovind's explanations?; or
- the question of which version of the Bible, and why the King James version in particular?
- or really just tangential to this particular thread?

I'm not going to get into how convincing the prophecies regarding Israel are, here -- but I'm just trying to understand how you're relating them to what's come up on this thread, or if it's just a new topic.
3/26/13 6:30 AM
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Saying the bible is proof of Jesus and "god" sounds as ridiculous to us rational people as us saying to you fundi's that the illiad and the Odyssey are proof Zeus existed.

There is 0 proof of a Jesus or a god other than your bible, which isn't proof in the slightest Phone Post
3/26/13 7:27 AM
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Bjjudo -  Saying the bible is proof of Jesus and "god" sounds as ridiculous to us rational people as us saying to you fundi's that the illiad and the Odyssey are proof Zeus existed.

There is 0 proof of a Jesus or a god other than your bible, which isn't proof in the slightest Phone Post

This is not quite correct. There is no extant evidence of the divinity of Jesus outside of the Bible, but there is evidence that a religious leader named Jesus existed and was executed.
3/26/13 11:29 AM
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No Ali just putting my two cents in the conversation about the validity of the bible.
I have no idea who Hovden is . Just like to point out how accurate the prophecies in the bible are..
If your a non believer that's fine but I was in the same boat being a skeptic of stories that seemed to go against normal laws of science and reason.. With that being said why is it hard to believe in the miracles of god . When every day we wake up to a miracle of living on a earth that's dependent on so many variables to sustain life ..To believe it's all by chance is crazy to me at least.. Phone Post
3/26/13 12:06 PM
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Evolution has scientific proof to it but who's to say it's not Gods work being put to use.
Us as humans have evolved in the last in the last two hundred years bringing forth the increase of technology ..Which was also prophesied in the bible... Phone Post
3/26/13 1:14 PM
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Poker face - Evolution has scientific proof to it but who's to say it's not Gods work being put to use.
Us as humans have evolved in the last in the last two hundred years bringing forth the increase of technology ..Which was also prophesied in the bible... Phone Post
Seriously? I'm gonna need the Book, Chapter, Verse on that claim. Phone Post
3/26/13 2:00 PM
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Dan 12:4 But thou , Daniel shut up the words and seal the book to the time of the end ; many shall run to and fro , and knowledge shall be increased.
In the book of Revelations it speaks of two witnesses who will prophesied for a thousand two hundred and threescore days( how ever long that is) and will be sacrificed by the antichrist and the whole world will witness this...This predicts a news broadcast that can be seen through the whole world.. Rev.11:3 thru 11:10
Just to name a few!! Phone Post
3/26/13 2:33 PM
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Poker face - Dan 12:4 But thou , Daniel shut up the words and seal the book to the time of the end ; many shall run to and fro , and knowledge shall be increased.
In the book of Revelations it speaks of two witnesses who will prophesied for a thousand two hundred and threescore days( how ever long that is) and will be sacrificed by the antichrist and the whole world will witness this...This predicts a news broadcast that can be seen through the whole world.. Rev.11:3 thru 11:10
Just to name a few!! Phone Post
You're claiming that the phrase "knowledge shall be increased" is an accurate prediction of advanced technology? In that case, Odin correctly predicted Hurricane Sandy in Havamal 73, when he said, "much veers the wind ere the fifth day and blows round yet more in a month."

And if you're claiming that newscasters were what Rev 11 was talking about, then God must seriously love his nightly news. In that passage, the prophets have the power to breath fire, burning their enemies alive. They can also cause droughts, turn water into blood, and cause plague epidemics. But, no, you're right: that totally sounds like a description of Dan Rather. Phone Post
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Ok Kung Fu we can agree to disagree you asked for some proof and I gave it. The bible is full of prophecies of predictions ie: the destruction of Israel by Jesus in the book of Matthew he said that there would be not one stone remain of the temple which happened when Titus destroyed the temple Jerusalem in 73AD.,
What do you have faith in Kung Fu Joe??
It seems to me to live life with no faith in anything would be miserable and boring.. Phone Post
3/26/13 3:22 PM
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Poker face - Ok Kung Fu we can agree to disagree you asked for some proof and I gave it. The bible is full of prophecies of predictions ie: the destruction of Israel by Jesus in the book of Matthew he said that there would be not one stone remain of the temple which happened when Titus destroyed the temple Jerusalem in 73AD.,
What do you have faith in Kung Fu Joe??
It seems to me to live life with no faith in anything would be miserable and boring.. Phone Post
...Matthew was written around AD 85. Not too impressive to predict something which occurred 12 years earlier.

And, I can assure you, my life is anything but boring. I have a plethora of hobbies, a loving wife, and a satisfying occupation. But thanks for your concern! Phone Post
3/26/13 3:37 PM
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Matthew was most certainly not written 85 AD sir remember Matthew was walking with Jesus so by your math he must of lived untill he was 110 or 120 years old .
Not to get into a pissing match but what do you believe in?? Illuminate , Aliens , Numerology , Astrology where do you stand ?? I do respect your opinion just like to know what I can try to disprove your religion Phone Post
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Poker face - Matthew was most certainly not written 85 AD sir remember Matthew was walking with Jesus so by your math he must of lived untill he was 110 or 120 years old .
Not to get into a pissing match but what do you believe in?? Illuminate , Aliens , Numerology , Astrology where do you stand ?? I do respect your opinion just like to know what I can try to disprove your religion Phone Post
Dude, Matthew was NOT written by Jesus' disciple Matthew. It was written anonymously and untitled. Nobody called it "the gospel according to Matthew" until a century after it had been written.

I do not believe in gods or advanced sentient aliens or the Illuminati or karma or what-have-you. I do not require theology to validate my existence. Phone Post
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No Ali just putting my two cents in the conversation about the validity of the bible.
I have no idea who Hovden is . Just like to point out how accurate the prophecies in the bible are..
If your a non believer that's fine but I was in the same boat being a skeptic of stories that seemed to go against normal laws of science and reason.. With that being said why is it hard to believe in the miracles of god . When every day we wake up to a miracle of living on a earth that's dependent on so many variables to sustain life ..To believe it's all by chance is crazy to me at least.. Phone Post



OK -- Hovind is the guy responding to Rogan in the original video posted, the point of this thread, or at least the first point. So that's why I asked.

I was just asking to clarify, because the thread is drifting, and it seemed to me you *might have been* making the argument that somehow the confirmation of prophecy (taken as a given, in this case) validated the young earther story used to argue with Rogan -- that was the original point of this thread.

Or it might have been this other topic that the thread drifted to, about various translations of the Bible and how decisions are made to give one (the KJV) primacy over another. Especially as one particular poster is giving primacy to it.

Or... it might have been just separate, as it was. I'm fine with that, just needed to know. So thanks for clarifying.

It makes a difference as to how to respond. If it were a brand new thread, I might go into arguing about prophecy, for example (or not). Or "belief in the Bible" in general. But in this thread I wanted to know if you were confirming the Flood story as literal, and if so if you were doing so using an argument from prophecy. That I would argue with.

But you weren't doing that. So I won't. I just wanted to know. OK?
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I believe when Christ resurrected he appointed 11 apostle to spread the word and Matthew was one of those . Matthew did record his experiences with Christ and penned them in the gospel of Matthew. Just as Luke , Mark , Peter , John ,
So you believe we live in an uncertain solar system with no help from a creator of any kind ?? Phone Post
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Who said I didn't believe in the bible to begin with and calling me the anti christ. Ridge hand knows nothingn about me but he has told me everything about him that I need to know. I've met tons just like him. Full of surety about things they know nothing about with the echoing words of their uneducated preacher who has fallen for false 'scholarly' teachings that any first year seminary student knows is garbage. 

Ridge is such a fool that he can't defend the KJV or even SOUP with facts besides a cut andn paste of scripture. Those are the topics. You want to talk the bible and prophecy and the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and the Jewish Diaspora, make a thread. I've studied Joesphus intently and know the destruction and insurrection of 66-70 AD inside and out. The final crush of Masada came a couple of years later after Vespasian crushed Jerusalem and left his son Titus in charge to crush the remaining hold outs. 

Oh, I have an advanced degree in Ancient History too. Any other questions?

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Poker face - I believe when Christ resurrected he appointed 11 apostle to spread the word and Matthew was one of those . Matthew did record his experiences with Christ and penned them in the gospel of Matthew. Just as Luke , Mark , Peter , John ,
So you believe we live in an uncertain solar system with no help from a creator of any kind ?? Phone Post
Why do you believe Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John actually wrote the gospels that bear their names? Nothing in the Bible says that any of these men wrote gospels. Phone Post

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