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Write 10 pages a day. Take weekends off. Done in a year. Phone Post
1/22/13 8:45 AM
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TheCrow13 - Write 10 pages a day. Take weekends off. Done in a year. Phone Post
I read somewhere he's on like a 500 page a year goal... Next two books are supposed to be 1500ish pages each... Which means 3 years at the very minimum and it will probably be more sadly... Phone Post
1/22/13 9:37 AM
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I might kill myself if he croaks and the tv show gets canceled and we never know how it all ends!
1/22/13 9:44 AM
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MentalRage - I might kill myself if he croaks and the tv show gets canceled and we never know how it all ends!
Well that would stop me from killing you if that happens lol Phone Post
1/22/13 12:10 PM
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If he dies I will finish the book for him.

1/22/13 8:15 PM
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MentalRage - I might kill myself if he croaks and the tv show gets canceled and we never know how it all ends!
Thats what im worried about aswell lol, anyone got any idea how old he is? Phone Post
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Considering how fat he is he's probably pretty close to death.

1/22/13 9:39 PM
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Another worry I have is that with all the fan theories out there (R+L=J being one of them) I think GRRM might be unduly influenced by the fans' theories enough to have it negatively effect the storyline. Like RLJ is an amazing twist, but because it's a commonly held theory GRRM might decide to change it in an effort to keep the "surprise".
1/22/13 10:51 PM
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PR - Another worry I have is that with all the fan theories out there (R+L=J being one of them) I think GRRM might be unduly influenced by the fans' theories enough to have it negatively effect the storyline. Like RLJ is an amazing twist, but because it's a commonly held theory GRRM might decide to change it in an effort to keep the "surprise".
Lmfao maybe he will pull the switcharoo and instead of lyanna and rheagar that its Ned and some female Targeayan lol. Phone Post
1/22/13 11:06 PM
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PR - Another worry I have is that with all the fan theories out there (R+L=J being one of them) I think GRRM might be unduly influenced by the fans' theories enough to have it negatively effect the storyline. Like RLJ is an amazing twist, but because it's a commonly held theory GRRM might decide to change it in an effort to keep the "surprise".

I do not remember the interview but I think he said something to the effect of "I am not going to pull a LOST and change plots that I planned from the begging just because most fans figured them out"

Or something along those lines.

Also to the people worried that he will die before the books get released he shared the broad plot lines with the HBO producers.

If anything it would speed up the process as many writers can crank out a 300+ page book in a year where it takes GRRM 5-6 years to do the same.
1/22/13 11:14 PM
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So uh... should we just kill him and wrap up the series?
1/22/13 11:37 PM
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NeoSpartan - So uh... should we just kill him and wrap up the series?

VU for conspiracy to commit murder.

1/23/13 1:18 AM
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HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING

>_>

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but really though i am about || close to sending him a death threat I'm gonna need those novels finished before he croaks. Every time i try to read another series I rip through it in a couple days then I have an empty hole that ASOIAF left in my heart. It's like a bad relationship, fucking these other girls/reading these other books won't cut it. I can't get over this, I need ASOIAF back in my life, and I need some fucking closure. GODDAMMN YOU GRRM!
1/23/13 8:05 AM
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^lol
1/23/13 2:56 PM
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Ok, here's a theory we can discuss and it's implications.

Is Dawn - the sword that belongs to house Dayne also the sword formerly known as Lightbringer, which was said to have ended the Long Night.


that's my guess.

now, how about some theories on whose possession that sword is in.

and if it is in fact lightbringer, and its supposed to be wielded by Azor Ahai, and either Jon or Danny is AA, and the sword is continually passed to a Dayne, hows that gonna play out?

and moreover, who are Edrick Dayne's parents?

If you buy into Maester Aemon being probably the most knowledgeable person in regards to the prophecy, than the sword that Stannis carries is not Lightbringer. Aemon mentions that Lightbringer should always be warm to the touch and that Stannis' sword is not.
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Mance  Rayder


Hail Caesar!
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I think there is a theme of Old Guard vs. New Guard in a sense, but I don't think it's necessarily as black and white as that. Danaerys is bringing back the old guard... she is trying to reinstate the old lineage of monarchy and has brought back dragons and thus magic to the land, where it's been deprived for thousands of years.

Jon Snow, Stannis, or whoever is suppose to be the 2nd coming of an ancient hero, characters are often defined by their bloodline, the sigils on their shield and the words of their family.

I agree with you it's a new generation overtaking the previous one, but I think the central theme is that of revolution. Not in the sense of rebellion but in the sense of a cyclical existence. Day and night, winter and summer, the dark and light.

 


Or Ice and Fire?
1/23/13 4:56 PM
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I always thought ice and fire was foreshadowing the final battle in the book: the others vs the dragons Phone Post
1/25/13 10:34 PM
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http://io9.com/5979065/all-the-game-of-thrones-fan-theories-you-absolutely-need-to-know

 

If there's two things fans of the A Song of Ice and Fire book series can agree on, it's that 1) author George R.R. Martin is weaving an incredibly dense tale where far more happens (and has happened) than what's just on the page, and 2) that no character is safe from GRRM's murderous pen. In regards to the former, fans have spent the last 17 years since A Game of Thrones was first published reading between the lines, trying to figure out the series' many, many mysteries. One astute fan by the name of Full-Faced Braavosi took the time to compile all the theories, both likely and insane, over at the mega-fansite Westeros.org; we thought we'd take the chance to make sure all you ASoIaF readers are caught up on every fan theory you absolutely need to know.

Warning: Spoilers for all five books ahead! And click the links at the end of each section for more details and discussion over at Westeros.org.

Who Are Jon Snow's Parents?
It's the question every A Song of Ice and Fire readers asks themselves in book one, and never stops asking. The most prevalent theory is that Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, who abducted Eddard's siter Lyanna and the love of Robert Baratheon's life and inadvertently started the rebellion that deposed the Targaryens, had sex with Lyanna –- maybe consensually, maybe not –- and Lyanna died giving birth to Jon. Knowing that Jon would be in considerable danger if his half-Targaryen blood were revealed (remember, Robert was determined to kjill every last Targaryen on the planet), he pretended the boy was his own bastard, and took him to Winterfell, telling nobody the truth. Although Ned is incredibly secretive regarding Jon's parentage, he does remember making Lyanna a promise on her death bed, which was likely to keep Jon secret and safe.

Jon's parentage seems likely to most readers – so likely, in fact, that some people believe it's too obvious to be true. Other fans have theorized that Jon is genuinely Ned's child, possibly with some random woman, or possibly with Ashara Dayne, whom Ned was rumored to love. The question is whether Ned's honor is great enough to have precluded him from fathering a bastard — certainly Catelyn and Ned's friends were shocked at the idea Ned had cheated –- and as shown in GoT, Ned is honorable to a fault. So it seems unlikely, although if he did lapse, his shame might be the reason he's so quiet about Jon's parentage. But if his mother is Ashara Dayne or some random wench, that doesn't really explain why he wouldn't at least tell Jon.

Certainly, George R.R. Martin loves his head games, but the idea that Rhaegar and Lyanna are Jon';s true parents makes the most narrative sense. And it seems unlikely that Martin would be hinting at the mystery so much only to reveal Jon is just Ned's regular ol' bastard. (For more details and theories continue reading here.)

Who Is Azor Ahai?
Azor Ahai (also commonly called the Prince That Was Promised) is the legendary hero who defeated the Others long, long ago, and is said to come again to fight the Others again, when they return, with his sword Lightbringer. The red priestess Melisandre clearly believes Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai, and wants everyone to know it. However, Melisandre's visions of Azor Ahai don't seem to be nearly as Stannis-oriented as she seems to think, and most readers think if one character fits the bill, it will be Jon Snow, despite –- or perhaps because of –- his current, uh, situation, which would make being "reborn" rather… uniquely appropriate.

But it might not just be one character. In The House of the Undying, Daenerys sees a prophecy/vision of Rhaegar naming his son Aegon, claiming he's will be the Prince That Was Promised –- but then he also saya "The Dragon shall have three heads." Could that means Azor Ahai is not one person, but three? That would hint that Daenerys and Jon Snow are two of the Dragon's heads, but then who would be the third? There are two possible answers below. (For more, continue reading here.)

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Might Tyrion Lannister Actually Be a Targaryen?

We all know "dragons" equal "Targaryens" in A Song of Ice and Fire. Daenerys is already a Targaryen, and as per above, most people think Jon is, too. So what about Tyrion? Some readers believe that the Mad King Aerys is Tyrion's real father, having forced himself on Tywin's wife Joanna, with Tywin never knowing, or possibly even being a willing pimp. GRRM mentions at one point that Aerys definitely found Joanna attractive. Jon describes Tyrion as having hair so blonde as to be white, which sounds a lot more like Targaryen's hair color than the Lannister blonde; plus, Tyrion has one green eye (very Lannister) and one black eye… and Daenerys' eye color is described as to be so purple it's practically black. Last but not least, Tywin himself tells Tyrion he's "no son of mine," although admittedly, that's immediately after Tyrion shoots him with a crossbow, so perhaps he was just being shitty.

The biggest reason for this theory seems to be Tyrion's prominence in the story, which equals Jon Snow and Daenerys, making them the three primary protagonists. Tyrion being a secret Targaryen would easily explain why GRRM has followed his story so closely, even when he flees King's Landing at the end of A Storm of Swords, and essentially leaves the "Game" for quite some time. Besides, the next most obvious Targaryen candidate is Aegon (more on him below), who only showed up in the most recent book, and has had no point-of-view chapters.

On the other hand, someone claiming Aerus found Joanna hot is hardly proof he took her for her own. And Tyrion being a Targaryen would narratively negate all the wonderful issues he's had with his father and Lannister siblings would be an enormous waste. (For more, continue reading here.)

What Is Varys' Deal?

We all know what Littlefinger wants –- power. But what about the eunuch Varys? He does at least as much political maneuvering as Littlefinger, but his intentions are not nearly so clear. He tells the imprisoned Ned that he's trying to help the people of Westeros, which is a situation he definitely didn't need to lie in. But if he's telling the truth, how does he plan to help the people?

Arya hears him plotting with Illyrio Mopatis in GoT, planning for the Targaryen-led Khals to attack while Westeros is already at war., and the possibility of needing tio kill Ned. And Illyrio is the one who wed Daenerys with Khal Drogo, theoretically giving Viserys a cavalry of barbarians (we all know ho that worked out, but still). He also helped warn Daenerys that Robert had sent assassins after her. More importantly, Varys is reportedly the person who apparently spirited Prince Rhaegar's infant son Aegon VI out of Westeros to be raised by Illyrio. It seems quite obvious that Varys is a Targaryen supporter, albeit one that realized King Aerys was too mad to rule. The real question is whether Varys truly puts the smallfolk ahead of Targaryen rule –- and if it comes down to Aegon or Daenerys, who would he pick? (For more, continue reading here.)

Is Aegon VI Real?
The biggest gamechanger in A Dance with Dragons was the supposed arrival of Aegon, Prince Rhaegar's lost son, who was reportedly killed as a baby by The Mountain (along with all the other Targaryens they could get their hands on) at the end of the Rebellion. It's not at all impossible to believe that someone switched infants before the Mountain's rampage, and spirited Aegon away. Illyrio has spent time and money raising Aegon in secret, educating him to be the best king possible, having him work with the people and experience life as a commoner so he'll be sympathetic to the plight of the smallfolk. If Varys' (and Illyrio's) real goal is to help the people, building a king from the ground up is a pretty smart move.

Certainly, Aegon believes himself to be legitimate. Many ASoIaF fans don't, mostly because 1) they don't believe that GRRM would bring in another Targaryen this late in the game, and 2) they really want Tyrion to be that third head of the dragon. However, Aegon being real makes the most sense. This theory explains all the reasons, but most of all, Daenerys' prophetic dream about Rhaegar saying the dragon has three heads? In it, he names his infant Aegon, and explains the child is one of the heads. It would be an odd thing for a prophetic dream to get wrong. And last but certainly not least. Varys tells the dying Kevan Lannister that Aegon VI is real, and he'd have absolutely no reason to lie to a man seconds from death.

There's a more elaborate theory here, about Aegon -– and possibly Varys –- being Blackfyre, a part of the Targaryen family that split off over 100 years ago, tried to take over the throne, and was outlawed and (supposedly) destroyed. GRRM has been discussing the Blackfyre rebellion in his "Dunk and Egg" short stories, but whether that means the Blackfyre line will play a part in the ASoIaF books remains to be seen. (For more about Aegon's authenticity, read here, and for more about his potential Blackfyre connection, read here).

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Was Balon Greyjoy Murdered?
The king of the Iron Islands is currently Euron Greyjoy, one of the biggest assholes in the entire series (and that's saying something). He gained the throne when King Balon was walking along one of the high bridges that connected the islands rocky spires, when he fell off and died. Shortly after Balon's death, his brother Euron coincidentally arrives even though Balon had exiled him and there's no way he should have been able to know about Balon's death. The leading theory is that Euron, who had been sailing and pirating in the East, hired a Faceless Man to assassinate his brother, making it look like an accident (their specialty). He had the means, the motive and the opportunity. Plus, the old prophet woman known as the Ghost of High Heart says, "I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings." So most fans believe it's pretty much a lock. (For more, continue reading here.)

Is Syrio Forel Alive?
All the Game of Thrones Fan Theories You Absolutely Need to Know Everyone wants Syrio Forel, Arya's awesome "dancing instructor" from A Game of Thrones, to be alive. That's how awesome he is. In truth, he doesn't die "on page," so to speak — he sends Arya away, and takes on the armed Lannister guards sent to capture Arya with a wooden training sword. It's dire, but Syrio is the First Sword of Braavos, so it's not compl;etely unreasonable to imagine he still beat the guards, and then went on his merry way. But given that Syrio is Braavosi, and Arya's next adult friend is the Braavosi assassin Jaqen H'ghar, who takes an odd interest in Arya and who can also magically change his face, a lot of people think Jaqen might have been Syrio, still watching over his charge. This would indicate a very early interest in Arya by the Faceless Men, the highly skilled league of assassins that Arya has ended up with, but for no known reason. Still, such is the awesomeness of Syrio. (For more, continue reading here.)

What Is Jaqen H'ghar Doing?
When Jaqen leaves Arya (with the Braavosi coin and the phrase "valar morghuli," which eventually brings her to Braavos and the Faceless Men), that's not the last we see of him. It is undoubtedly Jaqen in the prologue to A Feast for Crows, who –- in the guise of the Alchemist, the face Arya saw him change into – murders the novice Pate at the Citadel… the same Citadel where Sam Tarly has gone to become a Maester and research the Others… and who meets the same Pate, alive and well. So Jaqen is definitely at the Citadel. Seeing as the Citadel is the most learned place in the world, it seem Jaqen is trying to learn something… or prevent someone else from learning something. The real question is if he's working for someone specific, or on behalf of all the Faceless Men? (For more, continue reading here.)

What Was the Real Reason for Robert's Rebellion?
There's no real easy way to summarize the amazing fan theory usually referred to as "Southron Ambitions," but the simplest version is that there was a lot more going on in Westeros before Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna Stark and kickstarted Robert's Rebellion. In fact, Rickard Stark, Ned's father, may have had a grand plan to unite the kingdoms against the Targaryen rule on his own, creating relationships with House Tully Baratheon, Arryn, and even House Lannister in preparation for this war. It all went to hell when Rhaegar stole Lyanna and Aerys burned Rickard and Ned's brother Brandon alive, but seriously, read this admittedly lengthy theory here, and prepare to have your mind blown.

Remember, there are many many more theories -– none quite as major as these, and not all of them completely sane –- over at Westeros.org.

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Ok, here's a theory we can discuss and it's implications.

Is Dawn - the sword that belongs to house Dayne also the sword formerly known as Lightbringer, which was said to have ended the Long Night.


that's my guess.

now, how about some theories on whose possession that sword is in.

and if it is in fact lightbringer, and its supposed to be wielded by Azor Ahai, and either Jon or Danny is AA, and the sword is continually passed to a Dayne, hows that gonna play out?

and moreover, who are Edrick Dayne's parents?

If you buy into Maester Aemon being probably the most knowledgeable person in regards to the prophecy, than the sword that Stannis carries is not Lightbringer. Aemon mentions that Lightbringer should always be warm to the touch and that Stannis' sword is not.
Silly question but how long did Ned have Ice? I wonder if he actually took Dawn to Dorne or claimed it as Ice.... Phone Post
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Good stuff linde
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Ok, here's a theory we can discuss and it's implications.

Is Dawn - the sword that belongs to house Dayne also the sword formerly known as Lightbringer, which was said to have ended the Long Night.


that's my guess.

now, how about some theories on whose possession that sword is in.

and if it is in fact lightbringer, and its supposed to be wielded by Azor Ahai, and either Jon or Danny is AA, and the sword is continually passed to a Dayne, hows that gonna play out?

and moreover, who are Edrick Dayne's parents?

If you buy into Maester Aemon being probably the most knowledgeable person in regards to the prophecy, than the sword that Stannis carries is not Lightbringer. Aemon mentions that Lightbringer should always be warm to the touch and that Stannis' sword is not.
Silly question but how long did Ned have Ice? I wonder if he actually took Dawn to Dorne or claimed it as Ice.... Phone Post

Nah, the Starks had Ice for over 400 years. Which makes Tywin even more of a prick.

Him dying isn't enough, it sort of makes me want Tyrion to be Aegon's son even more because Tywin getting cuckolded would be more revenge on that fucking dick.

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This is why Tywin, Joff and Cersei are completely unredeemable in my eyes. If it weren't for Tyrion, they wouldn't even have sent Eddard's body back. Even after Ned killed Dayne at the Tower of Joy, he himself brought the sword back to House Dayne. That's just what you do in Westeros. Phone Post

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