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5 years from now is realistic. That makes it 7 total...about the pace he's expanding to. 

Regardless, he'll die before it's done

Do you think he is toying with the fans? Surely he must know how desperate people are to read the last books Phone Post 3.0
5/16/13 10:22 PM
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No they already addressed it, it's a thing in the show Loras just isn't in the Kingsguard yet. Tywin threatened to enlist him into it.

As far as Tyrells go, they are likely needed for two major plot points in the further seasons. A) When Tyrion escapes they will likely need to establish the coin which will lead cersei to not trust them which follows to B) Loras going to Dragonstone


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I almost hope they have less influence, the story is startng to get too muddeled(sp?)...I don't need anymore stories on anymore families
I think they need. They have this whole country which every section is involves but they havent been big into the High Garden/ Dorne and the Arbor yet.
Each area has a key into the game.
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5/16/13 11:36 PM
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No they already addressed it, it's a thing in the show Loras just isn't in the Kingsguard yet. Tywin threatened to enlist him into it.

As far as Tyrells go, they are likely needed for two major plot points in the further seasons. A) When Tyrion escapes they will likely need to establish the coin which will lead cersei to not trust them which follows to B) Loras going to Dragonstone


I think the Tyrells and Martells will have more influence in WoW Phone Post

I almost hope they have less influence, the story is startng to get too muddeled(sp?)...I don't need anymore stories on anymore families
I think they need. They have this whole country which every section is involves but they havent been big into the High Garden/ Dorne and the Arbor yet.
Each area has a key into the game.
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I know, but The Reach, Lannisport, the Vale, All of the North, the Arbor, The Iron Islands, Oldtown, Stormsend, Dragonstone, Dorne, King's Landing, High Garden, Griffin's Roost, Riverrun, the twins are just SOME of the places...and that is just one kingdom! Not to mention Pentos, Qarth, Volantis, Yunkai, Mereen, Bravos, Skagos, everything north of the wall, the Wall itself, the dothraki sea, and many other places that have only been mentioned.
I love a good twisting tale...but he only has two more books...he has got to start wrapping some stuff up and can't keep opening up new places/people/politics.
5/17/13 9:46 AM
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GRRM has said no new characters in the next two books... we'll see if he can stop himself from doing it... never ceased to amaze me when I'd end a chapter only to turn the page and see a new POV...
5/17/13 1:17 PM
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sawdusk - GRRM has said no new characters in the next two books... we'll see if he can stop himself from doing it... never ceased to amaze me when I'd end a chapter only to turn the page and see a new POV...
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5/17/13 2:29 PM
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5 years from now is realistic. That makes it 7 total...about the pace he's expanding to. 

Regardless, he'll die before it's done

Do you think he is toying with the fans? Surely he must know how desperate people are to read the last books Phone Post 3.0
Well he gets pissed when asked about it. He also always say GOT is not his life and has all these other side projects he works on that take precedence over GOT. If I had to guess WOW will be out 2016 at the earliest but more relisticly 2017-2018. Phone Post
5/17/13 2:37 PM
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sawdusk - GRRM has said no new characters in the next two books... we'll see if he can stop himself from doing it... never ceased to amaze me when I'd end a chapter only to turn the page and see a new POV...
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I haven't read anything but I'd be ok with no new POV... But they have to introduce Howland Reed since he's the only one that can shed like on the Tower of Joy. Phone Post 3.0
5/17/13 3:06 PM
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sawdusk - GRRM has said no new characters in the next two books... we'll see if he can stop himself from doing it... never ceased to amaze me when I'd end a chapter only to turn the page and see a new POV...
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I haven't read anything but I'd be ok with no new POV... But they have to introduce Howland Reed since he's the only one that can shed like on the Tower of Joy. Phone Post 3.0


Or Bran will be able to see it; or Jojen may already know through his dreams.

Also even if you do not know the whole story I feel like other people have to have their suspicions. Ned goes to save his sister who had just spend the last year-9 months with Rhangar (Kidnapped or Willing) and now has a "Bastard" what is 100% unlike his character.

I feel like its kind of a plot hole in the books that no one else ever wondered about this, especially catlyn , but she may not be the smartest person in the world but I feel like other who have half a brain should be questioning neds story or maybe they all just are keeping their mouth shut as they do not want to cause trouble.

5/17/13 3:23 PM
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sawdusk - GRRM has said no new characters in the next two books... we'll see if he can stop himself from doing it... never ceased to amaze me when I'd end a chapter only to turn the page and see a new POV...
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I haven't read anything but I'd be ok with no new POV... But they have to introduce Howland Reed since he's the only one that can shed like on the Tower of Joy. Phone Post 3.0


Or Bran will be able to see it; or Jojen may already know through his dreams.

Also even if you do not know the whole story I feel like other people have to have their suspicions. Ned goes to save his sister who had just spend the last year-9 months with Rhangar (Kidnapped or Willing) and now has a "Bastard" what is 100% unlike his character.

I feel like its kind of a plot hole in the books that no one else ever wondered about this, especially catlyn , but she may not be the smartest person in the world but I feel like other who have half a brain should be questioning neds story or maybe they all just are keeping their mouth shut as they do not want to cause trouble.

I agree people probably have suspicions but all they would think is Jon wasn't Ned's. they couldn't know who he belonged to. And your right maybe Bran could see it but I believe Howland will come into the story and be the one. Phone Post 3.0
5/17/13 4:16 PM
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Ashara Dayne

Another theory claims Jon's mother was Ashara Dayne, his father being likely Eddard Stark, who was in love with her, or his older brother Brandon Stark. Lady Dayne was said to be with both of them during the Tourney at Harrenhal. According to Ser Barristan Selmy, one of the Starks bedded her at the tournament and got her with child. It was also known by many that she was pregnant before she killed herself by jumping from the tower of Starfall, also called the Palestone Sword, a tower on Starfall's cliff by the sea.
Though Ser Barristan believes the bastard child of Lady Dayne was a stillborn girl, some still believe Ashara Dayne to be the mother of Jon Snow. Among those who believe so is Queen Cersei Lannister. Lady Catelyn Stark also heard this rumor, but Eddard refuses to answer her when she asks if Ashara Dayne was Jon's mother.
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5/17/13 4:17 PM
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Wylla

Wylla, the wet nurse at Starfall, is another possible mother. According to King Robert Baratheon, he recalls Ned bedding a wench during the Rebellion. On their way down the Kingsroad from Winterfell, he tries to recall her name, calling her, "Your bastard's mother." Ned says her name was Wylla, but refuses to talk more about it.
Catelyn recalls how with the war at an end riding to Winterfell... meeting Jon and his wet nurse. It very likely that this wet nurse is none other than Wylla because Ned went to Starfall returning the sword Dawn to Lady Ashara Dayne. Another interesting point is that it is here that 2 rumors circle about Winterfell: the death of Arthur Dayne by Ned's hand and that Ashara Dayne is Jon's mother. It is Ned that silences this rumor about her. There only two possible sources for these rumors; Wylla and Lord Howland Reed; however Howland is lord of Greywater Watch thus making Wylla the only one to be responsible for this knowledge. [2]
Lord Edric Dayne tells Arya Stark that Wylla is Jon's mother. He recounts to Arya Stark that he was a milk-brother to Jon Snow since Edric was also nursed as a baby by Wylla. He also claims they are not blood brothers either. However Arya notes that all Dornishmen are liars. In the case of Edric, it may actually be a lie perpetuated by Wylla to protect the true parentage of Jon Snow. [3] Phone Post 3.0
5/17/13 4:17 PM
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The Fisherman's Daughter

Lord Godric Borrell recounts to Davos Seaworth about a fisherman and his daughter who brought Ned Stark in secret across the Bite to the North at the beginning of Robert's Rebellion. The fisherman died in a storm that almost short-ended their journey, but his daughter continued and successfully saw Ned to the Sisters before the boat went down. If Lord Borrell is to be believed, Ned left her with a bag of silver and a bastard in her belly, which she named Jon Snow after Lord Jon Arryn. Phone Post 3.0
5/17/13 4:19 PM
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shootfighterbull - Ashara Dayne

Another theory claims Jon's mother was Ashara Dayne, his father being likely Eddard Stark, who was in love with her, or his older brother Brandon Stark. Lady Dayne was said to be with both of them during the Tourney at Harrenhal. According to Ser Barristan Selmy, one of the Starks bedded her at the tournament and got her with child. It was also known by many that she was pregnant before she killed herself by jumping from the tower of Starfall, also called the Palestone Sword, a tower on Starfall's cliff by the sea.
Though Ser Barristan believes the bastard child of Lady Dayne was a stillborn girl, some still believe Ashara Dayne to be the mother of Jon Snow. Among those who believe so is Queen Cersei Lannister. Lady Catelyn Stark also heard this rumor, but Eddard refuses to answer her when she asks if Ashara Dayne was Jon's mother.
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5/17/13 4:19 PM
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I get the feeling, especially with Wylla, that Ned started these stories to cover his tracks. Like someone else said, without these stories it's pretty clear cut who Jon's mother is. Phone Post 3.0
5/17/13 4:20 PM
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Another theory claims Jon's mother was Ashara Dayne, his father being likely Eddard Stark, who was in love with her, or his older brother Brandon Stark. Lady Dayne was said to be with both of them during the Tourney at Harrenhal. According to Ser Barristan Selmy, one of the Starks bedded her at the tournament and got her with child. It was also known by many that she was pregnant before she killed herself by jumping from the tower of Starfall, also called the Palestone Sword, a tower on Starfall's cliff by the sea.
Though Ser Barristan believes the bastard child of Lady Dayne was a stillborn girl, some still believe Ashara Dayne to be the mother of Jon Snow. Among those who believe so is Queen Cersei Lannister. Lady Catelyn Stark also heard this rumor, but Eddard refuses to answer her when she asks if Ashara Dayne was Jon's mother.
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It's Ser Arthur's younger sister. Phone Post 3.0
5/17/13 4:33 PM
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5/18/13 12:35 PM
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i think ashara dayne is a red herring - not sure why that would get covered up. Its no worse a shame than getting some wench pregnant and life would have been a bit better for Jon as a highborn bastard than a lowborn bastard
5/18/13 12:39 PM
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I just realized how long i have to wait before i get answers fuck this thread for like a good 2 years lol
5/18/13 6:12 PM
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NeoSpartan - I just realized how long i have to wait before i get answers fuck this thread for like a good 2 years lol

If you're down I am willing to go 50/50 on kidnapping GRRM, locking him in a room, and making him write these damn books!
5/18/13 7:04 PM
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NeoSpartan - I just realized how long i have to wait before i get answers fuck this thread for like a good 2 years lol

If you're down I am willing to go 50/50 on kidnapping GRRM, locking him in a room, and making him write these damn books!

We could go full Misery with it and break his legs with a sledge hammer :D 

On second thoughts, that's probably give the old man a heart attack. 

Hmm.. Straight kidnap it is then. 

5/18/13 8:33 PM
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NeoSpartan - I just realized how long i have to wait before i get answers fuck this thread for like a good 2 years lol

If you're down I am willing to go 50/50 on kidnapping GRRM, locking him in a room, and making him write these damn books!

please do this

the masses have spoken!! this must be done (note: if he actually kills Jon we'll make him write it again)
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NeoSpartan - I just realized how long i have to wait before i get answers fuck this thread for like a good 2 years lol

If you're down I am willing to go 50/50 on kidnapping GRRM, locking him in a room, and making him write these damn books!

please do this

the masses have spoken!! this must be done (note: if he actually kills Jon we'll make him write it again)

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5/18/13 9:44 PM
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5/23/13 5:41 AM
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so...something i've been wondering...

Is Lollys retarded? or does she have downs syndrome? She is just a really odd character who is constantly referred to
5/23/13 9:17 AM
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GodSaveTheReem - so...something i've been wondering...

Is Lollys retarded? or does she have downs syndrome? She is just a really odd character who is constantly referred to
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