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6/21/13 11:10 PM
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"No real direction. His editors don't help him either. AFFC shouldn't even exist in my mind."

I wouldn't blame the editors. After the second book, he was big enough to not listen to them. Reading the last two books, an edior would have cut hundreds of pages off both. Personally, I think he knows how everything is going to go and is just lazy. He has to get down to the actual writing part and it gets boring doing the drudgery. He has more fun doing the other crap.

6/21/13 11:25 PM
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Does anyone else think they are going to elaborate more on the Rat Cook/ Walder Frey connection?

It is used pretty obviously to point out that Lord Manderly is feeding Walder the pies cooked with his own kin in them, but I wonder if Walder's punishment is going to be more severe, such as Theon's.

In the story about the Rat Cook he -only- eats his own young. Could this mean Manderly will eventually imprison Lord Walder and the rest of the Freys and force them into cannibalism through starvation, or is it simply connecting Frey's breaking of the Guest Right to the Frey Pies as we've already witnessed?
6/22/13 1:24 AM
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ASOS was incredible, definitely the peak of ASOIAF. I hope George can get his shit together and end this with the quality of that book. He's going to get over-taken by the show though with how slow he goes because of all the non-writing stuff he is doing. He has a 3 season lead on the show right now, and should get TWOW out by the time they are finishing up a 2nd season on AFFC and ADWD material but there is no chance ADOS gets out in time.
6/22/13 2:00 AM
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Zenoplata - Does anyone else think they are going to elaborate more on the Rat Cook/ Walder Frey connection?

It is used pretty obviously to point out that Lord Manderly is feeding Walder the pies cooked with his own kin in them, but I wonder if Walder's punishment is going to be more severe, such as Theon's.

In the story about the Rat Cook he -only- eats his own young. Could this mean Manderly will eventually imprison Lord Walder and the rest of the Freys and force them into cannibalism through starvation, or is it simply connecting Frey's breaking of the Guest Right to the Frey Pies as we've already witnessed?
I'd love to see the Frey's get buried. I don't see it happening, and even see Ramsay beating Stannis.

If the Frey's don't get their comeuppance(I'm thinking the Reyne's of Castamere) and Ramsay defeats Stannis, then George has fucked up to the point of no return and I might not be interested if seeing the end of the series. Phone Post 3.0
6/22/13 11:07 PM
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Zenoplata - Does anyone else think they are going to elaborate more on the Rat Cook/ Walder Frey connection?

It is used pretty obviously to point out that Lord Manderly is feeding Walder the pies cooked with his own kin in them, but I wonder if Walder's punishment is going to be more severe, such as Theon's.

In the story about the Rat Cook he -only- eats his own young. Could this mean Manderly will eventually imprison Lord Walder and the rest of the Freys and force them into cannibalism through starvation, or is it simply connecting Frey's breaking of the Guest Right to the Frey Pies as we've already witnessed?
I'd love to see the Frey's get buried. I don't see it happening, and even see Ramsay beating Stannis.

If the Frey's don't get their comeuppance(I'm thinking the Reyne's of Castamere) and Ramsay defeats Stannis, then George has fucked up to the point of no return and I might not be interested if seeing the end of the series. Phone Post 3.0

Don't worry, you and the rest of us aren't going to see the end of the series.
6/23/13 4:24 PM
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GodSaveTheReem - I don't know if it is even discussed, but does everyone think Jeoffrey sent that guy to kill Bran? Because I always thought it was Littlefinger...he was doing it to sow seeds of distrust between the Lannisters and Starks to kickstart the war.

littlefinger wasn't in winterfell when it happened. i thought i remember it being confirmed it was joffrey
6/23/13 4:29 PM
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GodSaveTheReem - I don't know if it is even discussed, but does everyone think Jeoffrey sent that guy to kill Bran? Because I always thought it was Littlefinger...he was doing it to sow seeds of distrust between the Lannisters and Starks to kickstart the war.

littlefinger wasn't in winterfell when it happened. i thought i remember it being confirmed it was joffrey

iirc he overheard his dad, King Robert, saying it would be better for the kid to die than to live like a cripple. He took it to heart and ordered an assassin to kill Bran.
6/23/13 4:29 PM
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The Brotorious B.I.G -  I got the first two dunk and eggs off of the kindle store for aboit $7 a peice.

The first is in a book (or collection of short storys) called legends.
The second is in legends two.
I do not know were to find the third one, and i believe the fourth is being writen right now. -_- Phone Post

if the theory holds true the 4th one will tell us of about hodor's heritage
How so?

I know hes a walder frey and old nan is a fray but they never really tell you anything more than that...there HAS to be a reason hodors name is walder frey Phone Post

It is speculative, but when bran was warging into the trees in ADwD he said he saw Winterfell long ago...and there was a man as huge as Hodor kissing a woman in the little piece of the past that he saw. We know the 4th Dunk and Egg is going to go to Winterfell...so it is POSSIBLE that we learn of Dunk getting with a woman and starting a line of huge, and hugely stupid, offspring around Winterfell...giving us Hodor.

hodor is hodor because of a brain injury. he has a big scar on the side of his head on the tv show
6/23/13 5:36 PM
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<blockquote>D3structo - <blockquote>MMAdotCOM - <blockquote>GodSaveTheReem - I don't know if it is even discussed, but does everyone think Jeoffrey sent that guy to kill Bran? Because I always thought it was Littlefinger...he was doing it to sow seeds of distrust between the Lannisters and Starks to kickstart the war.</blockquote><br /> littlefinger wasn't in winterfell when it happened. i thought i remember it being confirmed it was joffrey</blockquote><br />iirc he overheard his dad, King Robert, saying it would be better for the kid to die than to live like a cripple. He took it to heart and ordered an assassin to kill Bran.</blockquote><br />

i thought was just a theory, but I remember that when Catelyn brought the dagger to Littlefinger, he specifically said that Tyrion won it from him in a bet, but iirc later on tyrion was talking (to no one in particular) about how he had a dagger like that but he was the one who lost it to Littlefinger. So the dagger all along belonged to Littlefinger. He hired the assassin, and he knew that catelyn would go to him first in King's Landing because of their past history...then he could start planting false information. <br />Just because littlefinger wasn't there doesn't mean he didn't know about bran, bran was in a coma for WEEKS...more tha enough time for LF to send an assassin. <br /><br />Since the attempted plot to kill bran (hell, even if the plot worked the thing littlefinger wanted was for the knife to be used) was what basically started the whole war...it makes sense. Littlefinger wants the war so he can get the chaos he needs to rise to the top.
6/23/13 5:45 PM
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Also, the whole 'Jeoffrey sent the killer' was pure guesswork on Tyrion's part, and he isn't always right. He assumed that Joff just stole one of Robert's hundreds of blades, but never actually any hard evidence to back this up.
6/23/13 5:59 PM
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All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
6/23/13 6:08 PM
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was Littlefinger who sent the assassin.
6/23/13 6:18 PM
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MMAdotCOM -
GodSaveTheReem - 
The Brotorious B.I.G - 
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The Brotorious B.I.G -  I got the first two dunk and eggs off of the kindle store for aboit $7 a peice.

The first is in a book (or collection of short storys) called legends.
The second is in legends two.
I do not know were to find the third one, and i believe the fourth is being writen right now. -_- Phone Post

if the theory holds true the 4th one will tell us of about hodor's heritage
How so?

I know hes a walder frey and old nan is a fray but they never really tell you anything more than that...there HAS to be a reason hodors name is walder frey Phone Post

It is speculative, but when bran was warging into the trees in ADwD he said he saw Winterfell long ago...and there was a man as huge as Hodor kissing a woman in the little piece of the past that he saw. We know the 4th Dunk and Egg is going to go to Winterfell...so it is POSSIBLE that we learn of Dunk getting with a woman and starting a line of huge, and hugely stupid, offspring around Winterfell...giving us Hodor.

hodor is hodor because of a brain injury. he has a big scar on the side of his head on the tv show
Hodor has a scar on his face in the show because the actor is an idiot and got three stars tattood right there Phone Post
6/23/13 6:18 PM
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TX_432 -  All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post

Judging from how he's handled Arya's "list" it seems that GRRM's original plan was that. But like many components of his saga, it got derailed as his vision and plan changed.

One way to salvage what could have been a great sub-story to the overall series is to have her list have just one name at the very end of the last novel. The target would be someone that somehow got away/survived/whatever (Cersei would be ideal) ... alone one night, in the darkness that person hears his/her own name being whispered. Fade to black.

Epic ending imo.
6/23/13 6:27 PM
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Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.
6/24/13 2:53 AM
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TX_432 - All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
You never know with GM Phone Post 3.0
6/27/13 10:05 PM
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Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
6/28/13 3:22 AM
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Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
Howland reed has not been introduced yet, only mentioned. And that MUST be for a reason, right?


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6/28/13 5:06 AM
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lars_schifinkter - He is on record saying he has no real plan and just freestyles.
Ive heard him say he has no defined plan, but he has the basis of how each characters sstory will end....it was origonally a trilogy, that he had mostly mapped out. Phone Post
That's obvious. Phone Post 3.0
6/28/13 5:10 AM
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TX_432 - All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
Nah, arya won't do shit. She is bound to faceless god, much like bran will be blind t his situation. The starks only real hope would be rickon. It would require a time skip but the dire wolves generally represent their owners. Shaggy Dog is gangster. So I assume rickon would be as well. Phone Post 3.0
6/28/13 11:26 AM
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Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
Howland reed has not been introduced yet, only mentioned. And that MUST be for a reason, right?


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He'll come with news that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son and thus rightful heir to the throne after Danaerys and Aegon kill each other. Or after Lady Mormont finds him will declare Jon the heir to the North.
6/28/13 11:36 AM
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Zenoplata - 
Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.

Howland was a Stark man the moment Brandon defended his honor at Harrenhal...the North never forgets. I get what you're saying, and obviously the Manderlys already cooked up something for the Freys and the Boltons...literally.

The Umbers and the other families will finish off the Boltons, with the help from Stannis...but i have an itchy feeling that Howland is going to skewer Walder himself.
6/28/13 11:39 AM
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Even with Robb's letter Bran and Rickon are still the rightful heirs to Winterfell. Robb's letter was in the event that no Stark was left Jon would be the heir.

I am guessing Howland Reed will come into play to confirm Jon as a Targ. He and Dany will end up together as King and Queen. Stannis, assuming he lives, will take the Black and be the new Lord Commander.
6/28/13 12:02 PM
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Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
Howland reed has not been introduced yet, only mentioned. And that MUST be for a reason, right?


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He'll come with news that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son and thus rightful heir to the throne after Danaerys and Aegon kill each other. Or after Lady Mormont finds him will declare Jon the heir to the North.

Howland is mentioned early enough in the books, shows his loyalty to the Starks...and then later on when Meera tells Bran the story about the Knight of the Laughing Tree.

I know his children already played a huge part in the story but it just makes sense for Howland to come a-sneaking in from the bogs and closing the bridge to trap the Boltons and Freys in the north while the Manderlys and I imagine old Blackfish will help securing the east side of that blockade and just storm the fuck out of the Freys.

Some Karstarks are still loyal to the Starks, they have to be...whatabout the Flints? I don't know anymore...
6/28/13 12:33 PM
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The Karstarks hate their cousins because Robb became a kinslayer and pretty unjustly murdered the head of their house. In my opinion Robb deserved to die after that, but not the way he did.

I really don't think Reed is going to be the guy that takes out Walder, and if Robb legitimizes Jon it would make him the eldest Stark male, plus Bran is in no position to become Lord of Winterfell, he's going to be stuck into a tree root like Brynden Rivers.

I wouldn't be surprised if Blackfish and Howland help out somehow against the Freys, but I think Manderly, Glover and the Umbers have something very fowl they're cooking up for revenge. I'm predicting the Freys are forced to become cannibalistic and trapped somewhere and all meet a very grizzly end. And if anyone else is going to be a part of it I think it'll be the Brotherhood without Banners.




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