UnderGround Forums
 

OtherGround Forums >> Song of Ice+Fire Fan Theories plead your case here

| Share | Email | Subscribe | Check IPs

6/23/13 5:59 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
TX_432
142 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 10/25/10
Posts: 3205
All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
6/23/13 6:08 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Zenoplata
175 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/14/10
Posts: 11875
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Littlefinger who sent the assassin.
6/23/13 6:18 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
The Brotorious B.I.G
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 12/10/12
Posts: 4453
MMAdotCOM -
GodSaveTheReem - 
The Brotorious B.I.G - 
GodSaveTheReem -
The Brotorious B.I.G -  I got the first two dunk and eggs off of the kindle store for aboit $7 a peice.

The first is in a book (or collection of short storys) called legends.
The second is in legends two.
I do not know were to find the third one, and i believe the fourth is being writen right now. -_- Phone Post

if the theory holds true the 4th one will tell us of about hodor's heritage
How so?

I know hes a walder frey and old nan is a fray but they never really tell you anything more than that...there HAS to be a reason hodors name is walder frey Phone Post

It is speculative, but when bran was warging into the trees in ADwD he said he saw Winterfell long ago...and there was a man as huge as Hodor kissing a woman in the little piece of the past that he saw. We know the 4th Dunk and Egg is going to go to Winterfell...so it is POSSIBLE that we learn of Dunk getting with a woman and starting a line of huge, and hugely stupid, offspring around Winterfell...giving us Hodor.

hodor is hodor because of a brain injury. he has a big scar on the side of his head on the tv show
Hodor has a scar on his face in the show because the actor is an idiot and got three stars tattood right there Phone Post
6/23/13 6:18 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
kevsh
2 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 11/11/11
Posts: 2373
TX_432 -  All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post

Judging from how he's handled Arya's "list" it seems that GRRM's original plan was that. But like many components of his saga, it got derailed as his vision and plan changed.

One way to salvage what could have been a great sub-story to the overall series is to have her list have just one name at the very end of the last novel. The target would be someone that somehow got away/survived/whatever (Cersei would be ideal) ... alone one night, in the darkness that person hears his/her own name being whispered. Fade to black.

Epic ending imo.
6/23/13 6:27 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Kerouac
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 5/28/12
Posts: 2850
Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.
6/24/13 2:53 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Boofhead3
147 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 10/7/11
Posts: 2308
TX_432 - All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
You never know with GM Phone Post 3.0
6/27/13 10:05 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Zenoplata
175 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/14/10
Posts: 11906
Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
6/28/13 3:22 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
The Brotorious B.I.G
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 12/10/12
Posts: 4502
Zenoplata -
Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
Howland reed has not been introduced yet, only mentioned. And that MUST be for a reason, right?


Theorys? Phone Post
6/28/13 5:06 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
allyourbasebase
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 1/23/12
Posts: 3946
The Brotorious B.I.G -
lars_schifinkter - He is on record saying he has no real plan and just freestyles.
Ive heard him say he has no defined plan, but he has the basis of how each characters sstory will end....it was origonally a trilogy, that he had mostly mapped out. Phone Post
That's obvious. Phone Post 3.0
6/28/13 5:10 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
allyourbasebase
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 1/23/12
Posts: 3947
TX_432 - All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
Nah, arya won't do shit. She is bound to faceless god, much like bran will be blind t his situation. The starks only real hope would be rickon. It would require a time skip but the dire wolves generally represent their owners. Shaggy Dog is gangster. So I assume rickon would be as well. Phone Post 3.0
6/28/13 11:26 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Zenoplata
175 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/14/10
Posts: 11910
The Brotorious B.I.G - 
Zenoplata -
Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
Howland reed has not been introduced yet, only mentioned. And that MUST be for a reason, right?


Theorys? Phone Post

He'll come with news that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son and thus rightful heir to the throne after Danaerys and Aegon kill each other. Or after Lady Mormont finds him will declare Jon the heir to the North.
6/28/13 11:36 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Kerouac
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 5/28/12
Posts: 2909
Zenoplata - 
Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.

Howland was a Stark man the moment Brandon defended his honor at Harrenhal...the North never forgets. I get what you're saying, and obviously the Manderlys already cooked up something for the Freys and the Boltons...literally.

The Umbers and the other families will finish off the Boltons, with the help from Stannis...but i have an itchy feeling that Howland is going to skewer Walder himself.
6/28/13 11:39 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
BigWilliam
419 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/7/05
Posts: 21842
Even with Robb's letter Bran and Rickon are still the rightful heirs to Winterfell. Robb's letter was in the event that no Stark was left Jon would be the heir.

I am guessing Howland Reed will come into play to confirm Jon as a Targ. He and Dany will end up together as King and Queen. Stannis, assuming he lives, will take the Black and be the new Lord Commander.
6/28/13 12:02 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Kerouac
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 5/28/12
Posts: 2910
Zenoplata - 
The Brotorious B.I.G - 
Zenoplata -
Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
Howland reed has not been introduced yet, only mentioned. And that MUST be for a reason, right?


Theorys? Phone Post

He'll come with news that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son and thus rightful heir to the throne after Danaerys and Aegon kill each other. Or after Lady Mormont finds him will declare Jon the heir to the North.

Howland is mentioned early enough in the books, shows his loyalty to the Starks...and then later on when Meera tells Bran the story about the Knight of the Laughing Tree.

I know his children already played a huge part in the story but it just makes sense for Howland to come a-sneaking in from the bogs and closing the bridge to trap the Boltons and Freys in the north while the Manderlys and I imagine old Blackfish will help securing the east side of that blockade and just storm the fuck out of the Freys.

Some Karstarks are still loyal to the Starks, they have to be...whatabout the Flints? I don't know anymore...
6/28/13 12:33 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Zenoplata
175 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/14/10
Posts: 11911
The Karstarks hate their cousins because Robb became a kinslayer and pretty unjustly murdered the head of their house. In my opinion Robb deserved to die after that, but not the way he did.

I really don't think Reed is going to be the guy that takes out Walder, and if Robb legitimizes Jon it would make him the eldest Stark male, plus Bran is in no position to become Lord of Winterfell, he's going to be stuck into a tree root like Brynden Rivers.

I wouldn't be surprised if Blackfish and Howland help out somehow against the Freys, but I think Manderly, Glover and the Umbers have something very fowl they're cooking up for revenge. I'm predicting the Freys are forced to become cannibalistic and trapped somewhere and all meet a very grizzly end. And if anyone else is going to be a part of it I think it'll be the Brotherhood without Banners.



6/28/13 12:36 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
dizz
954 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 8/12/10
Posts: 9613
Zeno, why do you think Robb's execution of Karstark was unjust?
6/28/13 7:09 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
shootfighterbull
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 12/6/05
Posts: 27125
Killing a Karstark does not make a Stark a Kinslayer. That'd be like saying any Frenchman that kills another Frenchman is a kinslayer because if you go back no more that 10 generations, they have a common ancestor.
6/30/13 12:58 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
TX_432
142 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 10/25/10
Posts: 3244
allyourbasebase -
TX_432 - All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
Nah, arya won't do shit. She is bound to faceless god, much like bran will be blind t his situation. The starks only real hope would be rickon. It would require a time skip but the dire wolves generally represent their owners. Shaggy Dog is gangster. So I assume rickon would be as well. Phone Post 3.0
Well maybe it's Rickon instead of Arya leading a secret rebellion that includes all the families that were slain at the red wedding. Umbers, Manderlys, etc. Phone Post
6/30/13 9:28 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Zenoplata
175 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/14/10
Posts: 11914
shootfighterbull - Killing a Karstark does not make a Stark a Kinslayer. That'd be like saying any Frenchman that kills another Frenchman is a kinslayer because if you go back no more that 10 generations, they have a common ancestor.

Not really considering there are way less than 1 million people in the entire known world in the series.

They both share the blood of the first men. Though their lines may have been separated for hundreds of years they are still family.

The Karstarks directly trace their lineage to the Starks. Karlon Stark is the founder of the Karstarks therefore Robb Stark -is- a Kinslayer.

Don't be surprised if poor Tyrion meets a grizzly fate as well.
6/30/13 11:10 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Zenoplata
175 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/14/10
Posts: 11920
I wish Syrio were still alive. GRRM kind of confirmed his death, but I hope he escaped somehow.
6/30/13 11:49 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
ItBurnsWheniOG
156 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 8/28/11
Posts: 3818
Zenoplata -
The Brotorious B.I.G - 
Zenoplata -
Kerouac - Can't wait to see how the Reed bogs are going to fuck the Freys up for good.

I think the Reeds are gonna play a different role in the story.

I'd be sort of pissed if Howland Reed or Stannis stole revenge from the Umbers, Manderlys, Starks and other Houses that were wronged in the Red Wedding.
Howland reed has not been introduced yet, only mentioned. And that MUST be for a reason, right?


Theorys? Phone Post

He'll come with news that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son and thus rightful heir to the throne after Danaerys and Aegon kill each other. Or after Lady Mormont finds him will declare Jon the heir to the North.
This is what I'm gonna guess happens... The Tower of Joy is so painfully obvious just waiting for GRRM to confirm what we all believe true. Phone Post 3.0
7/12/13 8:52 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
junon
34 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 11/30/02
Posts: 21480
doesnt matter if Jon is Rhaegar's son.

he forsake all claims when he took the black.

anyway.

sorry if this has been discussed but why dont the Red Priests agree on who is Azor Ahai.

Melisandre believes it to be Stannis but then the priests in Valantis believe Daenerys to be the one.
7/12/13 12:35 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
OliverHumperdink
23 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 7/20/12
Posts: 95

Which Stark will kill Sansa as her wolf was killed by her father??

7/12/13 12:35 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
OliverHumperdink
23 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 7/20/12
Posts: 96

My vote, Arya!

7/12/13 12:49 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Daredevil73
143 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 9/3/02
Posts: 36663
allyourbasebase - 
TX_432 - All the bad guys win. The Bolton's hold the north, and all the rebellions lose. Years later Arya now a fully trained assassin gets everybody from her list. Wouldn't be surprised if GM went that way lol. Phone Post
Nah, arya won't do shit. She is bound to faceless god, much like bran will be blind t his situation. The starks only real hope would be rickon. It would require a time skip but the dire wolves generally represent their owners. Shaggy Dog is gangster. So I assume rickon would be as well. Phone Post 3.0

Their deprogramming of Arya into being No One isn't working. She's too strong willed.

I see her going off the reservation quite easily. Or perhaps the Iron Bank hires the Faceless Men to send her to Braavos to deal with the Lannisters.

| Share | Email | Subscribe | Check IPs

Reply Post

You must log in to post a reply. Click here to login.