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12/5/12 12:39 PM
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Leck Brosnar
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Facts are meaningless, Nick Diaz is da best 209 bitchees.
12/5/12 1:05 PM
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In the past 2 years:

a) Hendricks has legit wins over Waldburger, Fitch and Kampmann; and
b) Diaz has legit wins over Santos, Daley and Penn.

In the same time period, Penn fought to a draw with Fitch.

So the wins over the last two years are roughly equivalent.

What is different is their *losses* in the last 2 years:

a) Hendricks lost a decision to Story and arguably lost two more, to Koscheck and Pierce; and
b) Diaz lost one controversial judges' decision. That's it. As many fans think he won as think that he lost.

Diaz is the far more deserving title challenger.
12/5/12 1:32 PM
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Iron sheik made a strong point with his last 2 yrs comment. I'd say nicks last few fights are easily on par with ufc talent.

Yes Hendricks deserves this fight more, 2 1st rnd ko's against top ten fighters is def grounds fore a tittle shot. Phone Post
12/5/12 2:46 PM
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LilBrockonmychest - 
alkysmurf -  Iron sheik made a strong point with his last 2 yrs comment. I'd say nicks last few fights are easily on par with ufc talent.

Yes Hendricks deserves this fight more, 2 1st rnd ko's against top ten fighters is def grounds fore a tittle shot. Phone Post

 


Those fighters are no joke but Cyborg Santos is on par with UFC talent?  He's 18-15 overall, lost 6 of his last 9, and in the previous 3 years to fighting Nick, he had 2 wins.  1 was over Daniel Zarate who is 0-4 in his MMA career and he was finished every time and the other win was Zaromskis who is a decent win.  Don't even try and claim that Santos is close to UFC level. 

 

Paul Daley is a good win but lost to Koscheck, who Iron Sheik doesn't list as a legit win for Hendricks.  Apparently if you beat Koscheck it's not a good win but if you beat someone Koscheck beat, that is indeed a legit win.

BJ Penn is a lightweight.

 

And Fitch, Koscheck, and Kampmann wins with 2 devastating finishes speak for themselves.  He's also beat Waldburger and Pierce in that 2 year period.  5-0 in the UFC last 2 years with 3 finishes.


BJ Penn is a LW, sure, but he fought to a draw with Fitch (who you have as a good win for Hendricks)

Paul Daley lost to Koscheck (via blanket), sure, but he also crushed Kampmann (again, who you have as a good win for Hendricks)

Nick lost a close decision to Condit, who just gave GSP one of his toughest fights. Hendricks won a close decision over Koscheck, who GSP had a much easier time dealing with

Lets not pretend like these two are leagues apart
12/5/12 4:55 PM
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Sherdog had Diaz ranked #3 and Hendricks #4 in April of this year: http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-42147

Since then, Hendricks lost to #7 on the list (but was gifted a decision) and defeated #9. That's it. How is that good enough to vault him ahead of Diaz?

12/5/12 5:13 PM
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12/5/12 6:59 PM
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LilBrockonmychest - 

Askren is a licensed fighter who is not under suspension.  Generally when fighters are suspended, they are not fighting, and are not on rankings.  Like when Sherk was the LW champ and ranked #1, got suspended, and was removed from rankings lists.  It's not saying he wasn't better than those on the list, he just wasn't fighting.  Same with Nick.

And Nick might be better than a lot of those fighters.  Hell, I'm sure some Diaz fans think he's better than all of them.  How about he start beating them?


How about you find something else to talk about for a change? You know damn well he can't fight for at least two months, so how can he "start beating them"? That's your little wild card isn't it...you're free to criticize because Nick can't prove you wrong for a while yet. Cheap tactic IMO. I guess we can expect at least two more months of it.

You've already made your arguments a thousand times over EACH. Bored yet?
12/5/12 9:02 PM
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BJ and Fitch went to a draw. Daley beat Kampmann. Koscheck beat Daleyjjoiuyuijl;kjl;kj...MMATH sucks! So do circular logic arguments!

It's a stalemate, but keep right on keeping on if it makes your life more complete!
12/5/12 9:07 PM
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And I hope you don't go doing something silly like moving Rory up in your rankings if he beats BJ, cuz that's not a legit WW win...remember that!
12/5/12 9:13 PM
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LilBrockonmychest - 

The fact that you're semi-defending that idiots comments that those fighters are even close when it comes to the WW division shows you refuse to use any sort of logic when it comes to anything that has to do with Nick.


"logic!" LOL I love that word! We're all logical in our own eyes, aren't we?
12/5/12 9:23 PM
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I give the slight edge to the Fitch group, even though Daley and BJ are not the chumps that they are made out to be by *ahem* some of the posters on here.

And Cyborg...he never set the MMA world on fire but he's a tough brawler who came at Nick with the "bad intentions" that Condit merely alluded to but never acted on.

What the hell am I doing anyway...I didn't even come here to argue about Hendricks and the title shot. I've already publicly stated that I think Hendricks deserves it more (you're the one I stated it to I believe), even though I would rather see Diaz get the fight.
12/5/12 10:25 PM
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Gsp has.beat everyone so when it it.comes to gsp i just want him facing new opponents not rematches. He needs to fight hendricks and diaz next diwant.matter who first because he'll win easily bar a.fluke which he'd.avenge easily by.avoiding the stand up.

He'll show hendricks humility, and diaz.will.be pissed and.want to retire after being wrestle fucked Phone Post
12/6/12 6:42 AM
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LilBrockonmychest - 

LOL at slight edge.  Ya OK.  3 fighters ranked in the top 7 versus 2 that are not ranked in the top 25.

And I'd prob rather see GSP/Nick but agree with you that Hendricks should get it.  It would suck for a guy to accomplish what Hendricks has and get the shaft.  But with all the hype, Nick would prob be more fun and less dangerous for GSP, which is why I think he's asking for it.

 


oh...so Daley didn't KO Kampmann and BJ didn't go to a draw with Fitch?

Yep...those three are just LIGHT YEARS ahead of Daley and BJ.

(rolls eyes)
12/6/12 1:04 PM
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12/6/12 1:44 PM
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LilBrockonmychest -

Those fighters have about 150 fights between the 6 of them.  You've chosen 2 fights to try and make your point. 

Again, 3 fighters ranked in the top 7 vs 3 unranked fighters (and 2 that are not in the top 25).

Yes buts it's the fights where they actually fought each other. Clearly the most relevant.
I agree that Hendricks deserves a shot first, but really fitch is a league above bj? They fought. They drew. And many people thought bj shoulda won. Clearly they are on pretty much the same level. Same thing applies with Daley/kampmann. You don't get brutally knocked out by someone then say your a league above them. Phone Post

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