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11/24/12 11:43 AM
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This is sort of inspired by the "Vitor Belfort looking Thick, Tight" thread, and a series of prolonged homoerotic fantasies, though I probably shouldn't tell you guys that.

Here's Vitor in case you missed that thread.


 

Now obviously the guy is a tank and has one of the meanest physiques in mma if you ask me.

And it's obviously functional cause he has incredible knock out power in his punches, so it's not like just useless bulk muscle, which is awesome cause a lot of the time guys can be huge but the power just doesn't translate, maybe cause the fast twitch factor is lacking or whatever, I'm not quite sure.

With guys like Vitor, Paulo Filho, Melvin Manhoef (most jacked guys I can think of), it does.

We're always discussing the evolution of mma, and movements/technique/styles etc is naturely a part of that, but athleticism is also a hugely important factor (effectiveness basically increases exponentially with it).

If you take a guy like Hannibal who evolved purely through hard work on certain calculated areas, and examine the kind of physique he developed, and say we were to apply that to mma, what kind of results could we expect?

That would like, olympic level athleticism in mma, which would be incredible.

And Hannibal is what; couldn't be much over 70kgs

But you gotta imagine he could stand easily (strength wise) at least with any WW fighter there.

Personally, before I saw these kind of workouts and the improvements guys could make, I didn't think it was possible to get much muscle hypertrophy from calesthetics. I kind of thought it was mainly for leaning up and shit.

Now with these almost olympic style conditioning routines, it really allows for an advance "to the next level" IMO.

Again, IMO, the fighter who has high level refined movements in whatever disciplines, but can also bring this level of physique and power to the table, will be the next major advancement in the evolution of mma.

11/24/12 11:55 AM
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I don't think it would help with striking at all, in my humble opinion the most necessary exercise for striking is technique training/cardio/stretching. With grappling i think it would make you a monster but Hannibal works on the bars for over 5 hours a day, so to develop like he has he wouldn't have nearly enough time and energy to work his actual skills. Who knows about his cardio or legs either. To be honest, gymnastics/bars training is at best supplemental, not at all necessary, and really isn't worth it for fighters IMO.
11/24/12 12:00 PM
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That guy is 70kg? Is he 5 feet tall?
11/24/12 12:02 PM
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^^^ He's extremely short.

But in any case, I don't see any reason to think that guy wouldn't have gotten similar (or superior) results with weightlifting.

11/24/12 3:20 PM
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lol - must be kidding?

The idea behind physical condition is to gain a physique that's more powerful and that in turn increases the effectiveness of strikes or whatever, the power behind the movements.

How many fighteres come close to hannibal in size to strength ratio?

I would say, currently, maybe nobody.

For his size, how lean he his, he has an incredible physique and for his weight is relatively huge.

Look at them arms? Holy shit!

 

Typically fighters weight train and do standard calesthetic exercises. But this changes the game entirely.

11/25/12 1:13 PM
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11/25/12 1:22 PM
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No way he weighs 70kg. That guy is jacked. I've seen smaller guys less muscular but not fat by any means weighing more than 70kgs and cutting to get there. Phone Post
11/25/12 1:34 PM
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beanouno -  No way he weighs 70kg. That guy is jacked. I've seen smaller guys less muscular but not fat by any means weighing more than 70kgs and cutting to get there. Phone Post

I used to think the same thing about this guy at my gym; weightlifter.

I thought cause he was so fockin' big, he has got to be 90+ kgs easy.

Turned out he was 84 and could lift more weight than guys 100 to 110kgs.

Low % body fat, just correct training, development, lifestyle, diet, state of mind even.

11/25/12 2:05 PM
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11/25/12 2:07 PM
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InYourMomaCloset - 

lol - must be kidding?

The idea behind physical condition is to gain a physique that's more powerful and that in turn increases the effectiveness of strikes or whatever, the power behind the movements.

How many fighteres come close to hannibal in size to strength ratio?

I would say, currently, maybe nobody.

For his size, how lean he his, he has an incredible physique and for his weight is relatively huge.

Look at them arms? Holy shit!

 

Typically fighters weight train and do standard calesthetic exercises. But this changes the game entirely.


What makes you think that guy wouldn't be as strong or stronger than he is now if he obsessively did weightlifting instead of jungle gym stuff? He obviously has ridiculous genetics. 

"How many fighteres come close to hannibal in size to strength ratio? I would say, currently, maybe nobody."

 

What on earth would you base this speculation on? If you mean they can't do those particular exercises like he can, I'm sure you're right. If you mean you think he can deadlift more than they can, I highly doubt it.

Also, strength does not equal power. Doing slow movements with only bodyweight for high reps says nothing whatsoever about your ability to generate explosive power.

11/25/12 2:09 PM
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Also, there are skinny college gymnast types who can do the stuff he does. That stuff takes tons of practice but not necessarily enormous overall "strength".

11/25/12 2:11 PM
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striking is about staying relaxed and calm

bjj is about being relaxed and loose


Fighting is about being calm.


why be thick, when you can be fluid.

why be tight when you can flow?

11/25/12 2:11 PM
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This is hilarious. OP go box for a couple years and get rank in bjj or judo then come back to this thread. Phone Post
11/25/12 2:26 PM
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I wonder how many tissues and bottles of lotion OP has gone through during his involvement in this thread.
11/25/12 2:56 PM
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I hate to admit being the victim of ridicule here, but I have to lol @ the shots being tossed in my direction.

This is hilarious. OP go box for a couple years and get rank in bjj or judo then come back to this thread.


Actually, I had a couple mma bouts, used to box in college including a knock out victory over the national under 21's champion at the time, and later I captured a national Muay thai title.

So, you can change you're post to, "This is hilarious. OP is giving out invaluable information based on in depth experience, yet he's being made a mockery of.
When he comes back to the thread everyone should give him the praise he so richly deserves".
11/25/12 3:05 PM
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NeoSpartan - striking is about staying relaxed and calm

bjj is about being relaxed and loose


Fighting is about being calm.


why be thick, when you can be fluid.

why be tight when you can flow?


It's like this newbie.

Effectiveness = skill + strength

Skill = well versed refined and studied movements

Strength = ability to impose them movements as explosively and efficiently as possible.

Effectiveness wins fights.

Being some zen sensei head-in-the-clouds motherfucker wins disdain from anyone with an ounce of sense.

The better physique is physical evidence of better power (don't even bother quoting some "Fedor kicked butt and he was a tubby a little". He's power was evident but his body fat masked it. He should have been a LHW)

This is what I'm talking about, when the strength is applied correctly:

Both the best at what they did, and there's a reason for that...

11/25/12 3:13 PM
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Manhoef is the best at what he did?

Man, I must have watched the wrong manhoef fights.
11/25/12 3:19 PM
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When it come to knocking people out (being a striking specialist), I think it's fair to say he could be grouped with the best.


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