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AssAssassin - "Brah, I was just defending my brother while he assaulted another man, effectively making it 2 v 1."

Stop fighting, stop training. Become a pacifist Buddhist monk. If you truly felt bad you would never be able to hit another human being. How could you without picturing the face of the person you killed and the faces of the family who now suffer as the result of your actions?


Or possibly he is a young man with an aggression problem who uses professional fighting as his outlet instead of continuing to get into bar fights which caused his incarciration in the first place?

 

People on this site glorify street fights all the time, hell there was a thread the other day with a guy getting soccer kicked shortly after coming to from being knocked out and people laughing and joking about it.  None of us here even know the entire situation with this guy and everyone is demonizing him.  Not to mention, even though I have a 2010 join date I did lurk here for a very long time before joining and seen many stories on here about street fights and bar fights that many of the pro's have been involved in.  Hell, Uncle Creepy will gladly tell you about how him and a couple of other pro's beat the hell out of a gang of frat boys.  Fighters get into fights, having them do so in a cage then out on the street is a much safer option for everyone.


There is no excuse to ever be in a street fight, that is not to say you can't be the victim of assault and defend yourself, but such is CLEARLY not the case. I don't care if he insulted your mom, or your honor, or your street cred, etc. Walk away. You can always say nothing and walk away. It is a choice. If the person pursues you and attacks you, there will be no doubt who assaulted who and your innocence will show.

If you attack other humans you need to be behind bars. THAT is safer for every one. I take no issue with MMA being an outlet for aggression, but there is absolutely zero excuse to assault some one.. RUN AWAY / WALK AWAY. I don't give a fuck if you look like a pussy, lose respect, lose street cred, etc.

Fuck your respect, Fuck your honor, Fuck your street cred. etc. Be the bigger man and avoid the situation at all costs. The evidence and circumstance clearly shows no attempt at to defuse the situation. The other guy may share a portion of the blame, but he would be ALL of the blame if he avoided the fight at all costs. If you get in some ones face and instigate the fight (even if the other guy is as well) you ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

If he felt any ounce of shame or regret he wouldn't be able to hit some one. The experience should haunt him, and this horror should prevent him from fighting.

Finally, a voice of reason.

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UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 - This guy has served his sentance, paid his dues, and wants to live the same life that's afforded to any other citizen. If he loves mixed martial arts and wants to pursue it as a career who are you or I to be the judge of whether or not he should be, why not let his skills be the reason we judge this man.


Sorry, he gave up his right to a normal life when he and his brother curb stomped some dude to death. He isn't afforded the same rights as a normal citizen because he is a convicted murderer. Being a convicted murderer gives other citizens the right to judge him however they want. If a vocal majority/minority don't want to see him fighting for Bellator, to fucking bad for the convicted murderer.

The vocal minority is the issue with America in general, so that tidbit doesn't really surprise me.  The internet has done wonderful things for you people.  I heard someone put it quite well the other day.  There used to be a time where the town crazy was someone everyone knew and could just ignore because they were by themselves, but now with the internet they can all come together and try to make their backwater vision a reality.


Says the guy who feels bad for A MURDERER.

Town crazies indeed. At least the internet has given you your voice.

It's not even so much that I feel bad for the guy, I'm just blown away that a society can say they've punished someone, and then decide afterwards that the profession they have chosen all of a sudden is something they don't want them to do.  It's the kind of thing that makes a guy like that turn back into a life of crime to make money.  Hard to make ends meet on a McD's salary.


Its not like the guy decided he wanted to be an accountant. He chose the profession which uses the same skills and abilities that he used to beat a kid to death with.

I have no problem with people doing their time and coming out and getting a job but if, lets say, a guy stabs someone to death and serves his 20 years or whatever he gets, I'd have a big problem if he decided he wanted to sell knives for a living.

As far as making ends meet on a McD's salary, maybe he should have thought about that before beating a kid to death. Also he doesnt exactly sound like a people person. I dont think McDonalds would be the place for him anyways. He might kill them if the told him to hurry up with his coffee.

Did you even read Ben's article?  It states right in there that the guy has been speaking to kids about anti-violence initatives and otherwise bettering his life as well as training in MMA (which many people see martial arts as a way of bettering your life in many different ways as well)

I can understand peoples trepidition with him, but to me it does seem like he has shown plenty of remorse, he was more than forward with Bellator when they signed him and is just trying to move on with his life which legally he should be allowed to do.  Creating double standards is always a dangereous thing.


So if I rape a girl, or murder someone, then it's all good after I tell kids how I feel bad because I got busted?

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It isn’t often that the booking of an undercard fight can cause controversy, but Bellator recently found itself in hot water when they booked Dan McGuane on the undercard of this week’s Bellator 81. Bellator booked a fight between McGuane and 3-0 Light-Heavyweight Mike Mucitelli, ignoring the fact that Dan McGuane was convicted of manslaughter in 2005. No big deal, it was just self-defense, right? Unfortunately, no. Not even close.

Recently, a website BanDanMcGuane.com popped up after the webmaster had learned that Bellator had signed the fighter. According to reports, McGuane and his twin brother beat an eighteen year old, one hundred and fifty-five pound man named Kelly Proctor to death after Dan’s brother thought he heard Kelly say something. I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m not. After the jump, the grisly details, courtesy of the website (they’ve since been removed):

At the time of the incident that led to his death, the victim was five feet, eight inches tall and weighed approximately 155 pounds. Each defendant was approximately six feet, four inches tall and weighed nearly 200 pounds.

On the evening of Saturday, July 2, 2005, the victim and his girlfriend, Jayme Rotondi, watched part of the town of Ayer’s annual Independence Day fireworks at Pirone Park, but left early to avoid the crowds at the end of the display. As they left the park, the victim and Rotondi passed a group of at least six people walking toward the park. The group consisted of the defendants, Greg Shultz, an exchange student from Denmark, who was approximately the same size as the defendants, Brandi Livingston, Mary Papalucas and Sara Jones. Rotondi noticed one of the defendants staring at her; she smiled, then heard someone laugh. The victim stopped and asked Rotondi, “What are they laughing at?” Peter left the group and walked back toward the victim and asked, “Did you say something? Do you want me to beat your ass in front of your girl?” Papalucas positioned herself between Peter and the victim and said to Peter, “Don’t do this, let’s go.” At that point, Peter reached over Papalucas’s head and, with an open hand, slapped the victim across the face, knocking from his mouth a straw on which he had been chewing. After Peter slapped the victim, Daniel joined in the attack. Both defendants punched the victim several times. The victim began crawling, trying to escape the assault.

The fight gradually moved from the street to the curb, then onto the sidewalk, where the defendants forced the victim back up against a sport utility vehicle (SUV). Rotondi, in an attempt to break up the fight, jumped onto Daniel’s back and scratched him, tearing his blue polo shirt. She was pulled off Daniel by Papalucas, who also tried unsuccessfully to break up the fight. One of the defendants shoved Papalucas and Rotondi aside, then Daniel kicked the victim in the chest. The victim fell to the ground and ended up under the SUV. The defendants walked away, leaving the victim under the SUV. As he left the scene, Peter said, “What do you have to say now?”

The victim remained under the SUV, lying on his chest, with blood coming from his nose. His breathing was labored. Papalucas told the victim it was okay to come out from under the SUV, but he was not responsive. She and some of the defendants’ friends, who remained at the scene, pulled the victim from under the SUV. The victim was unconscious and his eyes were open but rolled back in his head."

This piece of shit was with 5 buddies, way bigger than the other guy, and gang beat him to death, after KOing him and forcing him against an SUV to take the beating that would end his life.

This guy and every poster who defends him should fucking die.

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UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 - This guy has served his sentance, paid his dues, and wants to live the same life that's afforded to any other citizen. If he loves mixed martial arts and wants to pursue it as a career who are you or I to be the judge of whether or not he should be, why not let his skills be the reason we judge this man.


Sorry, he gave up his right to a normal life when he and his brother curb stomped some dude to death. He isn't afforded the same rights as a normal citizen because he is a convicted murderer. Being a convicted murderer gives other citizens the right to judge him however they want. If a vocal majority/minority don't want to see him fighting for Bellator, to fucking bad for the convicted murderer.

The vocal minority is the issue with America in general, so that tidbit doesn't really surprise me.  The internet has done wonderful things for you people.  I heard someone put it quite well the other day.  There used to be a time where the town crazy was someone everyone knew and could just ignore because they were by themselves, but now with the internet they can all come together and try to make their backwater vision a reality.


Says the guy who feels bad for A MURDERER.

Town crazies indeed. At least the internet has given you your voice.

It's not even so much that I feel bad for the guy, I'm just blown away that a society can say they've punished someone, and then decide afterwards that the profession they have chosen all of a sudden is something they don't want them to do.  It's the kind of thing that makes a guy like that turn back into a life of crime to make money.  Hard to make ends meet on a McD's salary.


Its not like the guy decided he wanted to be an accountant. He chose the profession which uses the same skills and abilities that he used to beat a kid to death with.

I have no problem with people doing their time and coming out and getting a job but if, lets say, a guy stabs someone to death and serves his 20 years or whatever he gets, I'd have a big problem if he decided he wanted to sell knives for a living.

As far as making ends meet on a McD's salary, maybe he should have thought about that before beating a kid to death. Also he doesnt exactly sound like a people person. I dont think McDonalds would be the place for him anyways. He might kill them if the told him to hurry up with his coffee.

Did you even read Ben's article?  It states right in there that the guy has been speaking to kids about anti-violence initatives and otherwise bettering his life as well as training in MMA (which many people see martial arts as a way of bettering your life in many different ways as well)

I can understand peoples trepidition with him, but to me it does seem like he has shown plenty of remorse, he was more than forward with Bellator when they signed him and is just trying to move on with his life which legally he should be allowed to do.  Creating double standards is always a dangereous thing.


So if I rape a girl, or murder someone, then it's all good after I tell kids how I feel bad because I got busted?

"

It isn’t often that the booking of an undercard fight can cause controversy, but Bellator recently found itself in hot water when they booked Dan McGuane on the undercard of this week’s Bellator 81. Bellator booked a fight between McGuane and 3-0 Light-Heavyweight Mike Mucitelli, ignoring the fact that Dan McGuane was convicted of manslaughter in 2005. No big deal, it was just self-defense, right? Unfortunately, no. Not even close.

Recently, a website BanDanMcGuane.com popped up after the webmaster had learned that Bellator had signed the fighter. According to reports, McGuane and his twin brother beat an eighteen year old, one hundred and fifty-five pound man named Kelly Proctor to death after Dan’s brother thought he heard Kelly say something. I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m not. After the jump, the grisly details, courtesy of the website (they’ve since been removed):

At the time of the incident that led to his death, the victim was five feet, eight inches tall and weighed approximately 155 pounds. Each defendant was approximately six feet, four inches tall and weighed nearly 200 pounds.

On the evening of Saturday, July 2, 2005, the victim and his girlfriend, Jayme Rotondi, watched part of the town of Ayer’s annual Independence Day fireworks at Pirone Park, but left early to avoid the crowds at the end of the display. As they left the park, the victim and Rotondi passed a group of at least six people walking toward the park. The group consisted of the defendants, Greg Shultz, an exchange student from Denmark, who was approximately the same size as the defendants, Brandi Livingston, Mary Papalucas and Sara Jones. Rotondi noticed one of the defendants staring at her; she smiled, then heard someone laugh. The victim stopped and asked Rotondi, “What are they laughing at?” Peter left the group and walked back toward the victim and asked, “Did you say something? Do you want me to beat your ass in front of your girl?” Papalucas positioned herself between Peter and the victim and said to Peter, “Don’t do this, let’s go.” At that point, Peter reached over Papalucas’s head and, with an open hand, slapped the victim across the face, knocking from his mouth a straw on which he had been chewing. After Peter slapped the victim, Daniel joined in the attack. Both defendants punched the victim several times. The victim began crawling, trying to escape the assault.

The fight gradually moved from the street to the curb, then onto the sidewalk, where the defendants forced the victim back up against a sport utility vehicle (SUV). Rotondi, in an attempt to break up the fight, jumped onto Daniel’s back and scratched him, tearing his blue polo shirt. She was pulled off Daniel by Papalucas, who also tried unsuccessfully to break up the fight. One of the defendants shoved Papalucas and Rotondi aside, then Daniel kicked the victim in the chest. The victim fell to the ground and ended up under the SUV. The defendants walked away, leaving the victim under the SUV. As he left the scene, Peter said, “What do you have to say now?”

The victim remained under the SUV, lying on his chest, with blood coming from his nose. His breathing was labored. Papalucas told the victim it was okay to come out from under the SUV, but he was not responsive. She and some of the defendants’ friends, who remained at the scene, pulled the victim from under the SUV. The victim was unconscious and his eyes were open but rolled back in his head."

This piece of shit was with 5 buddies, way bigger than the other guy, and gang beat him to death, after KOing him and forcing him against an SUV to take the beating that would end his life.

This guy and every poster who defends him should fucking die.

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^^

He didn't even throw a punch, he got slapped in front of his girlfriend, and immidiately jumped and MURDERED by punches.

The world is overpopulated, we don't need a guy who's playing nice because he already beat someone half his size with 0% of his training to death with his equally large and trained brother.

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After some crimes, you pay your debt to society; in others, the punishment society gave you was woefully less than the crime committed.

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I read the article just now, great piece.  I do feel bad for the guy, he served his time and now people won't let him move on with his life.  How many platinum selling musicians have served time for similar crimes and you don't hear people out bitching about it.

 

Fuck if you couldn't be a pro athlete after commiting a violent crime there wouldn't be a Cincinatti Bengals.

When PacMan Jones was a senior at WVU I was a freshman. He and is gang were all just thugs, they sold drugs, beat people up and were involved in several incidences that there were shots fired and a few days later nothing was ever said again... Making it to the NFL didn't change a thing either. Phone Post
Lol Pac Man ran from my buddy one night about a block from Bent Willys when he relized my buddy was a freakin monster.Pac Man walks by says some stupid cracker shit my buddy looked small hunkered down between 2 cars.



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He may have paid his debt to society in a legal sense, But mma is a sport. And sport is supported and paid for by the fans. So obviously the fans voted him off the island. And for good reason I think. And the sports management isnt going to die on any hill in support of an unheard of fighter like this guy when there's so many talented people who are "fighting" for the same spot. Phone Post
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I read that article - If it was supposed to redeem him, it failed him miserably. I read it not knowing a thing about him - and now I'm glad he's banned. Sounds like a cunt.
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UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 - This guy has served his sentance, paid his dues, and wants to live the same life that's afforded to any other citizen. If he loves mixed martial arts and wants to pursue it as a career who are you or I to be the judge of whether or not he should be, why not let his skills be the reason we judge this man.


Sorry, he gave up his right to a normal life when he and his brother curb stomped some dude to death. He isn't afforded the same rights as a normal citizen because he is a convicted murderer. Being a convicted murderer gives other citizens the right to judge him however they want. If a vocal majority/minority don't want to see him fighting for Bellator, to fucking bad for the convicted murderer.

The vocal minority is the issue with America in general, so that tidbit doesn't really surprise me.  The internet has done wonderful things for you people.  I heard someone put it quite well the other day.  There used to be a time where the town crazy was someone everyone knew and could just ignore because they were by themselves, but now with the internet they can all come together and try to make their backwater vision a reality.


Says the guy who feels bad for A MURDERER.

Town crazies indeed. At least the internet has given you your voice.

It's not even so much that I feel bad for the guy, I'm just blown away that a society can say they've punished someone, and then decide afterwards that the profession they have chosen all of a sudden is something they don't want them to do.  It's the kind of thing that makes a guy like that turn back into a life of crime to make money.  Hard to make ends meet on a McD's salary.


Its not like the guy decided he wanted to be an accountant. He chose the profession which uses the same skills and abilities that he used to beat a kid to death with.

I have no problem with people doing their time and coming out and getting a job but if, lets say, a guy stabs someone to death and serves his 20 years or whatever he gets, I'd have a big problem if he decided he wanted to sell knives for a living.

As far as making ends meet on a McD's salary, maybe he should have thought about that before beating a kid to death. Also he doesnt exactly sound like a people person. I dont think McDonalds would be the place for him anyways. He might kill them if the told him to hurry up with his coffee.

Did you even read Ben's article?  It states right in there that the guy has been speaking to kids about anti-violence initatives and otherwise bettering his life as well as training in MMA (which many people see martial arts as a way of bettering your life in many different ways as well)

I can understand peoples trepidition with him, but to me it does seem like he has shown plenty of remorse, he was more than forward with Bellator when they signed him and is just trying to move on with his life which legally he should be allowed to do.  Creating double standards is always a dangereous thing.


training and talking to kids is all well and good, and yes martial arts is a way to better your life in many different ways.... however prize fighting isnt synonymous with that and that is what people are upset over, not him training or encouraging kids to do so instead of fighting. personally i just dont want to see this guy get into a system where he is rewarded for doing what he was punished for. There are other ways to make a living, might do him some good to explore those options and enjoy it. Its a better option than the kid who died got.
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kwnel2178 - I have mixed feelings about this story, certainly I can empathise with the family of the victim, but at the same time I believe in redemption. I the man has served his sentence and seems remorseful, then maybe he should be given a chance.
Boxing has been way more forgiven than MMA when it comes to criminals, Micheal Bennett, Ricky Womack, and Cliford Ettiene were all convicted of armed-robbery. Tony Ayala was convicted of rape on an underage girl, and then on ESPN he made a statment bragging about how he went to prison for rape and how he didn't need protective custody.

Now lets hope that Bellator doesn't sign Rasul Mirzayev, who did the same exact thing and has shown no remorse.

Redemption? Sorry but if you murder some one, and serve your prison sentence, you still leave prison a murderer. You will always be a murderer. The death of your victim is permanent, and so is your status as a murderer, and so should be the shame. You aren't washed clean by a prison sentence. This isn't a "trade" of your time in exchange for the life of another person.
Exactly. Where is his victims second chance at life? Phone Post
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the way 35.15-1a is interpreted is basically if you get in someones face and say 'f you pussy' or spit on them you have already committed assault by inciting them with words intended to provoke a physical conflict and therefor the second party is justified in using self defense


Sec. 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.
1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:
(a) The latter`s conduct was provoked by the actor himself with intent to cause physical injury to another person; or
(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if he has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical force; or
(c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat
by agreement not specifically authorized by law.
2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:
(a) He reasonably believes that such other person is using or about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the actor may not use deadly physical force if he knows that he can with complete safety as to himself and others avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating; except that he is under no duty to retreat if he is:
(i) in his dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or
(ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police officer or a peace officer at the latter`s direction, acting pursuant to section 35.30; or
(b) He reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible sodomy or robbery; or
(c) He reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of section 35.20.

It's no wonder you are studying, and not practicing. Derp. 

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Split feelings about the whole situation. I can understand Bellators decision though.
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alkysmurf -  I hate it when society is so ridiculous, a judge and jury trial decided this man was guilty of a crime and he served what in their eyes weighed with evidence to be a fair sentence. He should be allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants.

Yet you guys want to take this guy who has nothing to loose anymore, and deny him the ability to do what he loves and puts food on his table.

Yeah maybe he'll do the right thing and move beyond easy/fast/ illegal means to make a living, but something like 85% of guys don't. And those guys are the fucking scary ones because now in their minds they've been forced into a criminal lifestyle, and the resent you for it. Phone Post

As consumers, we have the right to decide what we want to watch, and what we don't want to watch. The market decided that it didn't want to watch somebody who murdered another person fight for money on TV. 

Stop acting like he is still in prison. He isn't. He is free to put food on his table. He is free to get whatever job he would like to, as long is it isn't on our TV. Is it really that hard to find work that isn't fighting? How many people in this world are professional fighters, and actually able to support themselves on that income? Not many. 

Unless you are saying that the only way he can make money is violence. 

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Wu Massacre - ok and he isnt guilty of any of those 3 things, if he was i would completely agree, im actually a rare mix of extremely separated beliefs and think anyone guilty of those 3 crimes should receive a painful unpleasant death penalty unless there is a damn good reason they should get prison instead

He committed murder, dont care if the charge got knocked down to manslaughter they beat that kid to death, thats murder imo.

he took another persons life, it wasnt self defense or an accident.



Completely agree with this.


The line "the victim tried to crawl away." pretty much sums it up.

Two larger men beat a guy to death after instigating the situation. Fucking disgusting and pathetic.

You don't just get to serve your time and join society with no consequences. The value of a life can't be determined by any legal system, and as far as I'm concerned this man will always be a murderer and a piece of trash.
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Synado - Split feelings about the whole situation. I can understand Bellators decision though.

What exactly is there to be split about? The guy beat someone to death, and as a consequence can not making a living from punching people in the face. Sounds fair.
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reading this thread and you can easily see why the us has the worlds largest prison system, and the permanent in and out cycle with recidivism rates unmatched in the rest of the world.

Maybe if prison was used less to cage animals and more to educate them on how to avoid the issues that got them there we could see more people finding their place as productive members of society. Its obvious they have missed the lessons in right and wrong, or just made poor decisions, some of these guys can be rehabilitated, for the betterment of society.

Some of the posts in this thread could have been written by the Taliban. America is a country where we are supposed to be Innocent until proven guilty by a judge/jury of our peers. The judge and jury decide, based on ALL the evidence presented what a just punishment is. Phone Post
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alkysmurf -  reading this thread and you can easily see why the us has the worlds largest prison system, and the permanent in and out cycle with recidivism rates unmatched in the rest of the world.

Maybe if prison was used less to cage animals and more to educate them on how to avoid the issues that got them there we could see more people finding their place as productive members of society. Its obvious they have missed the lessons in right and wrong, or just made poor decisions, some of these guys can be rehabilitated, for the betterment of society.

Some of the posts in this thread could have been written by the Taliban. America is a country where we are supposed to be Innocent until proven guilty by a judge/jury of our peers. The judge and jury decide, based on ALL the evidence presented what a just punishment is. Phone Post

I think you may have misunderstood. This is not a pending case. There is no doubt about his guilt.

From the article:

"felony conviction for involuntary manslaughter and the five years he'd spent in prison for it."
12/3/12 9:59 AM
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I am pleased by the general tone of the thread.

Dan McGuane and his brother are clearly a couple of psychos who beat someone to death.

Dan McGuane seems devoid of meaningful remorse, and he clearly does not understand the damage he did.

As a fight fan, I don't want to watch McGuane, and I don't want to watch an event where he is on the card.

12/3/12 10:03 AM
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NOT knowing and signing the guy is one thing. Knowing what he did and bringing him onboard is disgusting, IMO.

 

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12/3/12 10:18 AM
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alkysmurf -  reading this thread and you can easily see why the us has the worlds largest prison system, and the permanent in and out cycle with recidivism rates unmatched in the rest of the world.

Maybe if prison was used less to cage animals and more to educate them on how to avoid the issues that got them there we could see more people finding their place as productive members of society. Its obvious they have missed the lessons in right and wrong, or just made poor decisions, some of these guys can be rehabilitated, for the betterment of society.

Some of the posts in this thread could have been written by the Taliban. America is a country where we are supposed to be Innocent until proven guilty by a judge/jury of our peers. The judge and jury decide, based on ALL the evidence presented what a just punishment is. Phone Post

No, we have the most overpopulated criminal system because has decided that its their place to legislate down to minutia, because our legal system is created, legislated and executed by the same lawyers who make their living off of it, because people go to jail for smoking pot, for defending themselves from injustice. Murder is a mortal crime, the most serious crime and deserves the most serious punishment, not a slap on the wrist and assurance that "everything will be ok when you get out in a few years." He should have no such comfort, nobody should be able to say to themself "i can kill this kid, it'll suck for a few years but then i'll get out and get on tv!!!
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Bellator signed him even knowing about the murder to me that is wrong, if you choose to look at the circumstances or not this fighter shows tendencies to violence. MMA fighters have to show restraint at times, my concern would be what if his opponent said something or did something to piss him off would he go to far lose control he showed he couldn't control himself already why take the risk a fight organizations job should be to try to the best of their ability to protect all their fighters Bellator made a bad choice to sign him in the first place..IMO Phone Post
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I told this story on another McGuane thread:

Before the Kelly Proctor tragedy happened, the McGuane brothers went to a local MMA gym and were "slamming" people during a grappling class so they got green lit. My buddy grappled with each of them and roughed them up enough that they never went back to that MMA school. Supposedly, Jorge Rivera was there and was going to do the green lighting, but my friend did it instead.
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I was speaking in generalities, not specifically this case. In general we Americans have a punitive view towards criminals rather than a rehabilitation orientated system.

Specifically in this case the guy was charged with involuntarily manslaughter, and served the term that a judge/jury who know ALL the details of the case decided was just.

I have no qualms with stronger sentences or even life/death sentences. But since he has served his sentence its my opinion that he should be treated as a free man.

I really can't wrap my head around the guys on here with the beliefs that its only black or white, the majority of the world operates in the grey.

Seriously many posts sound like Islamic fundamentalists. They can't grasp that its not as simple as if dude walked up and shot the guy, there are obviously many extenuating circumstances in this and every individual specific case. Phone Post
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Rockcod - Threads like this remind me of why I never leave the house without my sidearm. Some of you people are truly sick individuals if you think that violence is an acceptable response to words.

I'd love to see the rap sheets of many of the posters on this thread. I bet it would be a hoot.

My entire rap sheet consists of 2 minor in possesion of alcohol tickets when I was 16 and a DUI when I was 17




Thanks for clearing that up...

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