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12/7/12 4:08 PM
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PoWdA101
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Is that just a drop seoi nage at the 39 second mark?
12/7/12 4:08 PM
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12/7/12 4:48 PM
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Or Sumi Otoshi.
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Or Sumi Otoshi.
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Yes. I like the drive for the ippon (if there was one).
12/8/12 8:32 AM
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Drop morote seionage with a same side (collar/sleeve) grip. He is quite proficient at this throw.
12/8/12 11:04 AM
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judoblackbelt - Drop morote seionage with a same side (collar/sleeve) grip. He is quite proficient at this throw.

Cool. I had a buddy ask me and this was pretty much my response. I told him drop morote seoinage or just drop seoinage.

12/9/12 8:03 AM
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In morote you tuck the (opposite)forearm into the armpit. What really makes his throw work is he used same side gripping that allows him to do this this throw farther away from his body. His gripping is the key to his technique.
12/9/12 9:25 AM
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judoblackbelt - In morote you tuck the (opposite)forearm into the armpit. What really makes his throw work is he used same side gripping that allows him to do this this throw farther away from his body. His gripping is the key to his technique.
Seoi otoshi maybe? Phone Post
12/9/12 6:49 PM
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That's pretty slick. Thanks for sharing.
12/10/12 9:10 AM
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PoWdA101- In seoi otoshi the leg stretches out like tai otoshi. This is a drop throw.
12/16/12 9:24 AM
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judoblackbelt - Drop morote seionage with a same side (collar/sleeve) grip. He is quite proficient at this throw.
Yes but its inverted Phone Post
12/21/12 3:38 AM
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doesnt matter if it is inverted.. and, in fact, it isnt.

it is a drop morote seionage. it is modified for BJJ, and i think maybe intentionally so. notice how he never turns the full 180+ degrees that a Judo player would want to. that means he is never placing his opponent directly onto his back where he would have to potentially fight off the "hooks." it is actually rather smart of him.

Now, maybe it is intentional and, in that case rather brilliant innovation for adapting a technique from one sport rule set to another --- OR --- he does not do it on purpose and by Judo standards has a rather mediocre to poor morote seionage but, through accidental creativity, has managed to do something very smart.

what people commonly misunderstand is that good technique is good technique, but that not all rule sets are going to fully appreciate all good technique. it is literally impossible to create a rule set that does when you consider the incredibly diversity of the grappling arts (from American folkstyle to Olympic wrestling to the folkstyles found in Europe and Asia, India, Mongolia, Judo, Sambo,etc)...

When you compete in any given rule set there must be time spent on adaptations to those rules. it makes no sense to bitch and complain about the "rules" when you are electing to participate. It is rather stupid and childish in truth. You are better off just accepting the mental, physical and intellectual challenge of finding a way to make your "stuff" more versatile if you are going to engage in several different grappling sports.

this video shows a pretty great example of it...
1/10/13 3:25 PM
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Well said Joshua.
1/11/13 5:31 PM
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JoshuaResnick - doesnt matter if it is inverted.. and, in fact, it isnt.

it is a drop morote seionage. it is modified for BJJ, and i think maybe intentionally so. notice how he never turns the full 180+ degrees that a Judo player would want to. that means he is never placing his opponent directly onto his back where he would have to potentially fight off the "hooks." it is actually rather smart of him.

Now, maybe it is intentional and, in that case rather brilliant innovation for adapting a technique from one sport rule set to another --- OR --- he does not do it on purpose and by Judo standards has a rather mediocre to poor morote seionage but, through accidental creativity, has managed to do something very smart.

what people commonly misunderstand is that good technique is good technique, but that not all rule sets are going to fully appreciate all good technique. it is literally impossible to create a rule set that does when you consider the incredibly diversity of the grappling arts (from American folkstyle to Olympic wrestling to the folkstyles found in Europe and Asia, India, Mongolia, Judo, Sambo,etc)...

When you compete in any given rule set there must be time spent on adaptations to those rules. it makes no sense to bitch and complain about the "rules" when you are electing to participate. It is rather stupid and childish in truth. You are better off just accepting the mental, physical and intellectual challenge of finding a way to make your "stuff" more versatile if you are going to engage in several different grappling sports.

this video shows a pretty great example of it...

Great post.  It was effective in the competition he entered, I don't think much else matters.

4/1/13 7:34 PM
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I have watched numerous matches of Rodolfo and this is probably the best angle I've seen for this throw. It is around 50 seconds into the match.

http://youtu.be/Ajl_ebSA8OY Phone Post
4/1/13 9:33 PM
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Throw is once agains same side grip morote seionage. He is very effective vs a right stance fighter with his left stance. He also pulls the opponent down which gets a reaction to straighten up and then quickly follows up with with his throw. His angle of the throw is such that if he misses he is not in a bad position for the opponent to take his back. Something he has perfected for BJJ competition.

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