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12/10/12 2:24 AM
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1. GSP

2. Johny Hendricks

3. Carlos Condit

4. Jon Fitch 

5. Nick Diaz

6. Rory Macdonald

7. Martin Kampmann

8. Jake Ellenberger

9. Josh Koscheck

10. Demian Maia


Man..I think the guy is talented and will absolutely be in the top 10 but just using this list as an example, theres no way Id put Rory right now above anyone on that list. His best wins are against lightweights and he lost to Condit, it doesnt matter if he was winning. He lost and thats that. Is he talented, sure but he has not done anything to put him above the likes of Kampmann, Ellenberger, Koshchek or Maia.

You can argue that he wins impressively but Cruickshank just won very impressively and I wouldnt rank him anywhere near the top of his division either.

You cant rank people based on the impressiveness of the wins IMO unless its a p4p debate.

BJ Penn is a legit win and his performance was outstanding.  I don't care if he's best suited as a lightweight, he's still an excellent welterweight.  

He also dominated Nate Diaz, who also handled himself well as a WW.  He finished Davis and Markham and had a pretty close fight with Kim, who has been pretty good in the UFC as well.

I'll concede that the BJ win is his only win over a truly legit oppent, but the nature of that performance and the dominance of his other wins, combined with the fact that he had an ultra-competitive fight against Condit, I have no problem putting Rory in the top 10.

Taking your points into consideration I'd probably put him at 9, ahead of Maia.

12/10/12 2:31 AM
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YourMomMadeMeTap - POST YOUR TOP 10 OR GTFO
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12/10/12 6:47 AM
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Pessimist_Pete - In no particular order, GSP, Hendricks, Diaz, Alves, Maia, Fitch, Ellenberger, Kampman, Condit, Shields, maybe Koscheck

Rory is probably 18 or 19 on my list Phone Post
Alves is top ten and rory isn't....LOL Phone Post
12/10/12 7:15 AM
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He was definetly on my top 10 before the BJ fight now at the top 5.
12/10/12 7:22 AM
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12/10/12 7:23 AM
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How is he not top 5? Phone Post
12/10/12 8:01 AM
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OP is either a troll or a retard, possibly both.

VTFU

As for Rory, in terms of talent, easily top 5. Rankings, definitely top 10.
12/12/12 12:50 AM
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Pessimist_Pete - He just got his first win against a top 20 welterweight. You guys think he will be in the top 10 by this time next year? Phone Post
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12/12/12 1:05 AM
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1. GSP
2. Hendricks
3. Condit
4. Diaz
5. Kampmann
6. Ellenberger
7. Fitch
8. Maia
9. Koscheck
10. Marquardt
(order doesnt really matter)
Then outside of that is Mike Pierce, Ben Askren, Tyrone Woodley, DHK, Rory etc

I'd say close to top 15
12/12/12 2:22 AM
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Sherdog currently has Nick Diaz at #4.

His last 5 fights, all at WW are KJ Noons, Cyborg Santos, Daley, Penn, and a loss to Condit.  Nick is 6-5 in the UFC.

In Rory's last 5, he also has a loss to Condit and win over BJ, but wins over Nate Diaz, Pyle, and Che Mills.  Rory is 5-1 in the UFC.

If Nick is #4, Rory should be taking that spot and bumping Nick to #5 as his wins are all UFC and more impressive wins over more impressive talent.

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12/12/12 3:26 AM
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12/12/12 12:11 PM
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12/12/12 12:27 PM
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Beating BJ Penn puts him in the top 20 since BJ is probably 17th or 18th but no way he is top 10. You could make the case that he has top 10 talent but there is no case you can make for him to be ranked in the top 10
12/16/12 6:48 PM
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ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - Beating BJ Penn puts him in the top 20 since BJ is probably 17th or 18th but no way he is top 10. You could make the case that he has top 10 talent but there is no case you can make for him to be ranked in the top 10
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