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12/10/12 4:04 PM
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I'm 41 and a judo sankyu. I only manage to make it to Judo once or twice a week, and then do some running, a little TKD/shadow boxing and some body weight stuff another once or twice a week. Honestly, though I complain about my progress because I don't train enough, it is probably one of the reasons that I remain relatively injury free. The extra recovery time really helps after a hard training session. A little ibuprofen is the most help I ever need.

The only thing that is a bit of a problem is having low energy. I usually do a "healthy" (so-called) energy drink like Zip-Fiz before I train. And on the days when I skip it, I really notice a difference.
12/10/12 4:10 PM
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I can empathize with you, OP. I am 41, and I am starting to wear down. I teach 3 times a week (Kajukenbo), and I am finding it harder and harder to keep pace with the young uns. Admittedly, I am not in the best shape I could be in. Whenever we spar, I am pretty much only looking to counter, whereas before I would set things up with a more aggressive offense....I am also more focused on my breathing now, which I guess is a good thing. My hips and knees also hurt after kicking pad sessions or judo randori. And my shoulders are trashed, too. I find that stretching on my own time outside of classes helps a little, and I have my kids walk on my back 2-3 times week. I figure it will be better to be a broken old man who participated in life than a spectator full of regrets.

12/10/12 4:23 PM
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eat healthy, take a nap through the day ( if possible) get about 5 hours of sleep each night and take a few extra minutes of stretching on each excercise. that's what I do and feel like a champ. Phone Post
12/10/12 5:10 PM
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imo, age does a few things, most of which can be nullified with the right behaviors. Primarily, you will require more recovery time in the form of sleep. In the general population you always hear people talking about how they need less sleep as they get older. Well for someone who's training it's the opposite. You will start actually needing that full 8 hours sleep and likely more.

Another thing is stiffness. This one just comes with the territory. I am always stiff (that's what she said).

One thing age brings that cannot be reversed is the compiling of injuries. If you're 24 and have been training since your teens, you might have blown out your MCL once...but when you're older you've blown that as well as your LCL 4 times each...on each leg. They never heal 100% and all these kinds of things pile up.

But alas, unless it's crippling, it's not worth worrying about unless you have a vagina.

So primarily it comes down to great diet and enough sleep. Also I always recommend training through injuries, even if you're only rolling at 10%...at least you're still warming up, stretching and breaking a sweat. It's always the guys that get hurt and take 2 months off, who then come back and immediately get re-injured in the first week back because they are so out of shape and rusty.

But yeah, if you are getting older, still partying, eating like shit, and not getting enough sleep, you will definitely start a rapid decline and just age like a mofo or just fall apart.

12/10/12 5:18 PM
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wow.. some great reply's in this thread, thanks to all for sharing.

i have had most of the injuries that others have listed too lol and i'm sure that dont help, but for me its more about the energy levels. i won't lie and say that my diet is good, becasue its not!! and that is something i really need to get a grip of.

many are right, and i DO work smarter these days, using skill and techniques over power and effort. the students still think im great haha, but they dont see me go for a toilet break and nearly pass out haha splashing water all over my neck before returning lol

what i used to use 40% of my effort and energy to achieve during the stand up/groundwork, now requires 90%. im just good at faking it and hiding how dam tired i really am.

i dont use any supplements, and would not know what one's are good or not? so a list of them and what they do would really help

thanks guys
12/10/12 6:19 PM
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I'm 43 in Jan. I train most night.
I have trained nightly since I was 15, in all that time I have learnt one thing.... "dont fight it... go with it"... If your doing all that training and feel like shit then slow it down listern to your body, clean your diet up and get your sleep, drink lots of water and be carfull who you train with, dont leave it all on the mat, If you want to train till your 80 slow it down.

I was at a Rickson seminar last month and asked him this question.... basically he said the same thing.
12/10/12 6:37 PM
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try and a vote up to op. Old man strength ftw! Phone Post
12/10/12 6:38 PM
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KneeToFaceKO - try and a vote up to op. Old man strength ftw! Phone Post
TTT NOT TRY.....DAMN PHONE Phone Post
12/10/12 8:03 PM
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You guys give me motivation :) Phone Post
12/11/12 3:22 AM
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...for me its more about the energy levels. i won't lie and say that my diet is good, becasue its not!! and that is something i really need to get a grip of.

 

Funny you should say that...as you get older, your energy levels are tied to diet. It's not so much that eating certain things will give you energy, it's that eating the wrong things will bog you down, tax your system, and rob you of energy.

In your youth, you can eat a double Whopper, a milkshake, a half pound of dirt, and chase it down with bourbon, and your body will magically process that shit and you'll abound with nonstop energy. As you get older, that particular magic goes away and you have to actually avoid the foods that steal your energy.

 

12/11/12 3:38 AM
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swim.. the water is the fountain of youth.
12/11/12 6:45 AM
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KneeToFaceKO - try and a vote up to op. Old man strength ftw! Phone Post
TTT NOT TRY.....DAMN PHONE Phone Post

haha cheers brother
12/11/12 6:46 AM
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Moke - 
...for me its more about the energy levels. i won't lie and say that my diet is good, becasue its not!! and that is something i really need to get a grip of.

 

Funny you should say that...as you get older, your energy levels are tied to diet. It's not so much that eating certain things will give you energy, it's that eating the wrong things will bog you down, tax your system, and rob you of energy.

In your youth, you can eat a double Whopper, a milkshake, a half pound of dirt, and chase it down with bourbon, and your body will magically process that shit and you'll abound with nonstop energy. As you get older, that particular magic goes away and you have to actually avoid the foods that steal your energy.

 


Spot on :)
12/11/12 6:47 AM
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Frog-Jitsu -  You guys give me motivation :) Phone Post

Agreed 100%

so what supplements are you all using? where do i even start?
12/11/12 10:14 AM
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this is a great thread. still waiting for dan the wolfman, rickson, and Master LLoyd to chime in :)
12/11/12 10:22 AM
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cant be that great - not a single vote up for the OP :(

then again i never do get any lol

would be great if those guys got involved too i agree... maybe Rickson is a stretch, but Lloyd and Dan could well happen.
12/11/12 10:51 AM
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Sub as I am old now too. Phone Post
12/11/12 10:57 AM
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If anyone has a solution please let me know. I'm 43. I'm on TRT which does help muscle recovery time, but it does nothing for my arch enemy - arthritis.

A couple of prednisone pills will make me feel 20 years younger, for a few days, but that's a really BAD repeat solution.
12/11/12 11:15 AM
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I will be 55 in a few weeks and here is what I have learned.
 
Glucosamine- I take this for 6 weeks and then take three weeks off.  When I am not taking it, I do not take hard falls. 
 
Stretching- I stretch after every workout, even if I go light.  When I am home, I stretch in a sauna (think hot yoga without dudes eyeing you berries).  When I am travelling, I make sure to set aside extra time for stretching. The YRG Yoga routines are very good for older guys, also Rodney Yee.
 
Strength Training- This was a big issue for me after I turned 50.  I lost some strength, but my muscle endurance took a real beating. I had to completely change my strength training program and add in more lifting.  Due to time constraints this ate into my training time, but I felt it was a necessary evil. If you are interested I can send you some of the routines. There was/is a guy on the Strength and Conditioning Forum named Taku who posted some great workouts.  At your age this may not be an issue yet.
 
Training in General- After I turned 45 I stopped training randori  with inexperienced people.  I do not mind working with them, but they are dangerous because they lack control.  Generally speaking, they  will muscle through bad positions and can get you hurt.  One of the advantages of a more traditional martial arts environment is they tend to respect older players. However, when I go to train no gi, I have to be very careful.  The spazz ratio in a no gi class is very high, so I will only work with people I know.
 
Hope this helps.
12/11/12 12:38 PM
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great post Mr Howard

i for one would love to see the routines, as i'm sure would everyone else who has contributed to this thread.

fire away brother
12/11/12 12:39 PM
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Mr Howard -
Strength Training- This was a big issue for me after I turned 50. I lost some strength, but my muscle endurance took a real beating. I had to completely change my strength training program and add in more lifting. Due to time constraints this ate into my training time, but I felt it was a necessary evil. If you are interested I can send you some of the routines. There was/is a guy on the Strength and Conditioning Forum named Taku who posted some great workouts. At your age this may not be an issue yet.


can you elaborate the workouts?
12/11/12 12:40 PM
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I'm in a holding pattern waiting for the urge for tai chi to kick in.

 

 

12/11/12 1:10 PM
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age is just a number
12/11/12 1:22 PM
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Started in judo at 7, it will always be my base. Over the years I have traned hapkido, bjj, boxing, & sambo.

I just plain had to stop a few years ago. I was hurt ALL the time. Nagging things like wrist, shoulder,elbow pain. Of course the knee & back pain all of us old judokas know & love.

I was having to call off of shifts, days where my wrist was so jacked I couldn't start an IV. Concussions were adding up..... memory issues.

I miss it every day, there is a huge hole in my life without it. But I have to work, & I enjoy walking. Phone Post
12/11/12 1:34 PM
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I'm 42. Been training since i was 15. Got my ass kicked at Muay Thai class last night by couple of young guys. My piss poor cardio being the only reason. Felt like shit last night but was on the treadmill at 7am this morning. I just try to use it as motivation. My job is the main thing that stops me training due to travel but ill stop when I'm dead. Actually just started an eskrima class so will be training 4 to 5 nights a week plus running 3 or 4 times on a good week. Phone Post

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