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12/12/12 7:29 PM
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I just dont see why it should be held against him in any discussions. His size has a tradeoff in that he has chicken legs. He knows how to keep that from being a problem. Phone Post
12/12/12 7:38 PM
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How DARE he take advantage of natural gifts in an athletic competition!! Phone Post
12/12/12 9:17 PM
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UGCTT_ Lay'n'PrayNINJA -

^^^ Hey, just thought I would let you know that there are some of us who look at it rationally. I bet many of those idiots, if they sat down and thought about it before they posted, would be on the same exact page as I am. Hiding behind a keyboard frees them up to take it to an irrational and shitty level. :)

 

I knew that your OP was not aimed at a poster like myself. Suess and I have gone back and forth on "size" many many times so I thought I would just throw my thoughts out there for everyone in this thread to see, wondering if it made sense.

Jones is a beast, and haters gonna hate. I would really like to see him move up to HW, but in the age of weight cutting I cannot blame him for fighting at LHW as long as his body allows it.

 

Cheers :)

Hey man, we are dangerously close to having a reasonable discussion about MMA. Not sure that's really acceptable here... So... Here goes...

U R 1 cheeky cunt m8 I swear I am going to wreck U I swear on my mum's life, do you even lift? Phaggot!?


Ok, that's better. Phone Post
12/13/12 12:31 AM
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whoabro -  How DARE he take advantage of natural gifts in an athletic competition!! Phone Post

THIS. Also that Roy Necksonvs pic is greatness.
12/13/12 1:58 AM
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Its his biggest advantage

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12/13/12 2:17 AM
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wreckker - Its his biggest advantage

OP is a troll n tard Phone Post
No dude, I'm not. But well done for missing the point and being insulting all at the same time. And I'd say his biggest advantage is his intelligence. Anyways man- you just can't deal with the fact that its a changing of the garb, it's a doggy dog world out there and for all intensive purposes its important to remember that something lasts forever... Smell me?
And keep it civil ok? No need for your insults. Phone Post
12/13/12 2:45 AM
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I feel like people place too much emphasis on his reach, as much as it helps with the stand up it can be a real pain in the ass to avoid submissions. Long limbs are vulnerable to arm bars and other submissions and long necks are easier to choke, there is just more of a sweet spot where the sub would be effective than say a guy like Rashad where the is no wiggle room and needs to be perfect technique to work.


IF Jones loses, it will probably be via submission.
12/13/12 2:53 AM
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escudo - I feel like people place too much emphasis on his reach, as much as it helps with the stand up it can be a real pain in the ass to avoid submissions. Long limbs are vulnerable to arm bars and other submissions and long necks are easier to choke, there is just more of a sweet spot where the sub would be effective than say a guy like Rashad where the is no wiggle room and needs to be perfect technique to work.


IF Jones loses, it will probably be via submission.
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12/13/12 4:19 AM
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theshooter - Part of the thing with Jon Jones' reach is that he fights at 205 lbs. when he could easily fight as a heavyweight. The guys at heavyweight are obviously bigger so his reach advantage if the heavyweight division would be less of a factor than it is at 205 lbs.


A lot of fighters could easily fight above their weight class. Aka Anderson Silva who can and has easily beat his opponents at light heavy weight. Can anyone post Anderson's reach vs his opponents at middle weight? I'm curious to see if he has had the advantage in his fights? Phone Post
12/13/12 7:54 AM
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"I would LOVE to watch The Reem smash Jones."

Reem at 205 -- the division Jones fights in and belongs in -- would get annihilated by Jones just like he got crushed by every other good LHW he ever fought.


Yeah but The Reem was cutting way to much to make LHW, his natural weight is 260. Plus he must have been literally starving himself to stop his body from bulking up. The Reem at his true weight is way to much for JBJ. 

12/13/12 10:54 AM
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"I would LOVE to watch The Reem smash Jones."

Reem at 205 -- the division Jones fights in and belongs in -- would get annihilated by Jones just like he got crushed by every other good LHW he ever fought.


Yeah but The Reem was cutting way to much to make LHW, his natural weight is 260. Plus he must have been literally starving himself to stop his body from bulking up. The Reem at his true weight is way to much for JBJ. 

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12/13/12 11:00 AM
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"I would LOVE to watch The Reem smash Jones."

Reem at 205 -- the division Jones fights in and belongs in -- would get annihilated by Jones just like he got crushed by every other good LHW he ever fought.


Yeah but The Reem was cutting way to much to make LHW, his natural weight is 260. Plus he must have been literally starving himself to stop his body from bulking up. The Reem at his true weight is way to much for JBJ. 

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You think current JBJ could beat current Reem? LMAO!

12/13/12 11:16 AM
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this seems like a good time to start complaining about gustavsons reach...

12/13/12 11:20 AM
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"I would LOVE to watch The Reem smash Jones."

Reem at 205 -- the division Jones fights in and belongs in -- would get annihilated by Jones just like he got crushed by every other good LHW he ever fought.


Yeah but The Reem was cutting way to much to make LHW, his natural weight is 260. Plus he must have been literally starving himself to stop his body from bulking up. The Reem at his true weight is way to much for JBJ. 

When you're wrong, your wrong and you sir are wrong.. Phone Post

You think current JBJ could beat current Reem? LMAO!

I think you don't have a clue and talk out your ass.

Reem isn't naturally a bulky guy, it took roids and a few years training to bulk him up.

At LHW he was skinny as hell and smaller than Jones, you posted he's naturally 240 LMFAO.

Oh and reem has given up a shit ton of hand speed and cardio for that bulk. He's also got maybe not a weak chin but its definitely touchable. So yeah I actually do think Jones would sock him up. Phone Post
12/13/12 12:38 PM
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As a striker when u have 4 inches of reach And know how to use it its a big advantage.

Having reach advantage jones dones for a good striker is just a HUGE Advantage.

To hit somoeone at end of your shots And have 8-9 inches of space where he cant hit you means u can remain at a distance And safely smash

Jones is good all around And smart
BUT his reach is biggest weapon he has

I See it from striking for 25 years how key distance is while standing

A few inches matters when its nearly a foot on some opponets thats Like fighting you Lil brother And stifff arming his forehead while he swings at air. Phone Post
12/13/12 12:45 PM
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Oh yeah OP saying "keep it civil" when u say go watch rythmn gymnastics And our opinion are skid marks

Yeah Real civil

Struves defense was bad when ge fought Roy he doesnt knnow how to use that reach effectively yet

OP YOUR STILL A TROLL TARD
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12/13/12 12:48 PM
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ranier wolfcastle - 

this seems like a good time to start complaining about gustavsons reach...


Ummmmm.....you do realize that Gustaffson has the same reach as GSP right.

 

12/13/12 12:50 PM
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wreckker -  As a striker when u have 4 inches of reach And know how to use it its a big advantage.

Having reach advantage jones dones for a good striker is just a HUGE Advantage.

To hit somoeone at end of your shots And have 8-9 inches of space where he cant hit you means u can remain at a distance And safely smash

Jones is good all around And smart
BUT his reach is biggest weapon he has

I See it from striking for 25 years how key distance is while standing

A few inches matters when its nearly a foot on some opponets thats Like fighting you Lil brother And stifff arming his forehead while he swings at air. Phone Post

Thank you for a real response instead of just calling the OP a troll. These are valid points and good polite MMA discussions can be had from them.

12/13/12 12:54 PM
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<blockquote>wreckker - As a striker when u have 4 inches of reach And know how to use it its a big advantage.<br><br>Having reach advantage jones dones for a good striker is just a HUGE Advantage.<br><br>To hit somoeone at end of your shots And have 8-9 inches of space where he cant hit you means u can remain at a distance And safely smash<br><br>Jones is good all around And smart<br>BUT his reach is biggest weapon he has<br><br>I See it from striking for 25 years how key distance is while standing<br><br>A few inches matters when its nearly a foot on some opponets thats Like fighting you Lil brother And stifff arming his forehead while he swings at air. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote>

Jon Jones's primary skillset is wrestling and ground & pound reach is definitely not his biggest weapon. His striking is secondary and you seem to have a lack of respect for his athleticism, his reach only matters because he has the skill to use it.


12/13/12 1:00 PM
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theshooter - Part of the thing with Jon Jones' reach is that he fights at 205 lbs. when he could easily fight as a heavyweight. The guys at heavyweight are obviously bigger so his reach advantage if the heavyweight division would be less of a factor than it is at 205 lbs.


A lot of fighters could easily fight above their weight class. Aka Anderson Silva who can and has easily beat his opponents at light heavy weight. Can anyone post Anderson's reach vs his opponents at middle weight? I'm curious to see if he has had the advantage in his fights? Phone Post

Anderson's reach is 77.5"

 

Vitor 74"

Chael 74"

Bonnar 80"

Forrest 77"

Maia 72"

Irvin 75"

Franklin 76"

 

That's an average of 75.43" for his last 7 opponents. Just over a 2" advantage.

 

Jon Jones reach is 84.5"

Belfort 74"

Rashad 75"

Shogun 76"

Machida 74"

Rampage 73"

Bader 74"

Matyushenko 74"

Bonnar (throwing him in even though it was long ago to not be biased) 80"

That averages to exactly 75" for his opponent.

 

9.5" average advantage for Bones. 2.07" for Anderson.

 

12/13/12 1:40 PM
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Funny how this thread falls dead once the actual statistics on his reach advantage are there in black and white.

12/13/12 1:44 PM
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yeah, i have no idea why people would stop reponding to the same old shit being spewed.  i didn't care about the reach advantage before this thread, i don't care about it after.  

12/13/12 1:47 PM
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Yet here you are clicking on it and posting over and over...wierd.

 

I personally have never seen an exact average of both Jones and another dominant champion broken down like that....so not sure your "same ol shit being spewed" applies. To boot, JayRob clearly asked for someone to do that break down for him. I apologize for doing what a poster asked to be done...lol.

12/13/12 1:49 PM
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you never posted shit like that in a GSP vs Andy size difference and Andy vs JBJ size difference?  lol ok!  

yes, me posting in this thread when it jumped to the top of my sub list = i care about reach advantage.  hahaha

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wreckker -  As a striker when u have 4 inches of reach And know how to use it its a big advantage.

Having reach advantage jones dones for a good striker is just a HUGE Advantage.

To hit somoeone at end of your shots And have 8-9 inches of space where he cant hit you means u can remain at a distance And safely smash

Jones is good all around And smart
BUT his reach is biggest weapon he has

I See it from striking for 25 years how key distance is while standing

A few inches matters when its nearly a foot on some opponets thats Like fighting you Lil brother And stifff arming his forehead while he swings at air. Phone Post

But like you said, knowing how to use it is what makes him good.  There is another thread out there that shows Nate Diaz has had an average 6"+ reach advantage over all of his UFC opponents but that didn't factor in 1 bit against Bendo, Gray, or Joe Daddy.  Corey Hill has an 80" reach and fought at LW.  Kendall Grove had a huge reach advantage over most MW's.  The fact that Jones knows how to use his reach is a testament to his skill.  These fighters need to factor that in and work on a gameplan to negate that advantage.  The problem with Jones is no one wants to get in close because they get tossed to the ground and then elbowed in their face.


All true but there is one big distinction between Nate at LW vs. JBJ at LHW: Lightweights like Bendo use their speed and agility to negate the size difference while for LHWs like Shogun it's just not an option.

The key to getting inside a guy like JBJ is speed and there are very few 205lb guys that can move like a Bendo, Edgar or Aldo.

So I would argue a significant height/reach advantage is much less important in lower weight classes than higher ones.

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