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12/13/12 5:25 AM
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there's another major advantage to this... nobody will ever be able to compete.  the UFC is the only one who can do this. Once the market is hooked on this and it becomes the reality of the sport nobody will be able to just sign GSP away and start a promotion.

it would be like the CBA signing micheal jordan and thinking it can compete with the NBA.

it's difficult in MMA now as it is but the barrier would be even greater if this is implemented and found to be more successful than the current structure.

watching cards with fights sporadically made from all sorts of weight classes will not make any sense.

12/13/12 5:28 AM
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With as many fighters that compete for the UFC (something like 400?), this could very well bottle neck divisions simply due to the length of time between PPVs for each weight class. Not every fighter in each weight class will fight at each event and when you factor in injuries, this model could possibly put fighters on a potential 1 fight per 1-2 year rotation.

I do like the idea, just don't think it would work under the current UFC structure. Although the HW card was a good one, there were other weight classes on the undercard.
12/13/12 5:47 AM
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If the average person decides to give the UFC a shot and happens to land on a little-guy ufc card they might lose his interest.

I don't want this. I like the variety on the cards.
12/13/12 5:54 AM
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They could get cute and have UFC 170 be all welterweights, and then UFC 185 be all middleweights.

And have I got a matchup in mind for UFC 185 in that case!

12/13/12 7:26 AM
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This idea is actually pretty good, and I'm a bit surprised the UFC hasn't tried it following the success of UFC 146 featuring an all Heavyweight main card.

Implementing this type of matchmaking would make fights seem less random and more organized. The UFC could almost set a yearly schedule with such a process. Obviously, there would be some problems, injuries of course, but there's always something going wrong in sports anyway.

This would also prevent high-quality bouts featuring ranked contenders from being relegated to prelim status, while less prestigious fights featuring non-factors in a different division get TV time; i.e. top flyweights Chris Cariaso vs. John Moraga being on Facebook at UFC 155 while Leonard Garcia vs. Cody McKenzie is on FX.
12/13/12 7:37 AM
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I like this idea.

12/13/12 8:01 AM
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At first I thought it was ridiculous, but the more I think about it, and read others opinions, I think it'd be cool.

Every system has issues--look at the current one-- but it'd be fun to see everything sorted out and organized and give others more opportunities to shine.

It's a nice blend of Bellator's initial plan of "sport" and UFC's entertainment policy.

SUPER FIGHTS could still happen with built up champions.
12/13/12 8:15 AM
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I think this is a great idea and you present a well reasoned argument. The cards in other countries could be tricky though. What about the guys outside the top 20? Phone Post
12/13/12 8:22 AM
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If this were the case, say goodbye to women in the UFC.
12/13/12 9:41 AM
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I've always liked the idea of stacking a card with a single weight class, and it would at the very least provide clarity in the division for contenders being able to see the fights elbow to elbow and dilute injury problems by making it easier to shift fights around.

I don't think the idea will ever be fully embraced if it as rigid as making every single fight on the main and prelims be a single division, but the all HW main card worked out awesome, and there is no reason why it couldn't be implemented piecemeal for any cloudy divisions where there is no clearcut #1 contender.

For example, the MW division has a muddy list of arguable contenders (Bisping, Boestch, Belcher, Weidman), and pairing these guys up in a "most impressive win gets the title shot" scenario as the co-mains. This would prompt them to have more fun, aggressive fights vs the "just win baby" point fighting when fighters get apprehensive and take the safest route to a win because they are worried about losing their spot.

Then you could fill in the remaining spots on the main as needed with Paul Harris, Vitor, Stann, Lombard, etc or other filler fights from different divisions for the prelims.
12/13/12 9:50 AM
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Wow, one of the better ideas I've heard in a while. Whether it would happen or not...

Will VTFU later. Phone Post
12/13/12 9:58 AM
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sounds good but...
say your co main headliner gets hurt and there is no one else in the top 30 for your other co main event fighter to fight. he has to wait until another card for his weight class comes up, he doesnt just get a fight on the next couple of cards like now. wont work like that
12/13/12 10:14 AM
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If you get hurt you have to wait a whole cycle to fight again? Phone Post
12/13/12 10:37 AM
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It sounds good until the non hardcore fans have to watch 10 flyweights or women's fights when they already complain if a smaller guy is a co main event, I personally love the idea but most random fans who "trane" will bitch and Dana doesn't want that Phone Post
12/13/12 10:39 AM
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I don't like the idea personally.

12/13/12 12:11 PM
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Would def' help with the injuries.

12/13/12 12:19 PM
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JBASS - With as many fighters that compete for the UFC (something like 400?), this could very well bottle neck divisions simply due to the length of time between PPVs for each weight class. Not every fighter in each weight class will fight at each event and when you factor in injuries, this model could possibly put fighters on a potential 1 fight per 1-2 year rotation.

I do like the idea, just don't think it would work under the current UFC structure. Although the HW card was a good one, there were other weight classes on the undercard.
The big names would fight every 4 months or so like they do anyways on their weight classes ppv month.

The up and comers would fight on the small shows like fx and fuel. I would imagine with this model, you would have two or three small card fights for every big ppv for each weight class. Phone Post
12/13/12 2:29 PM
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I like the idea. Better trademark that or someone might take the idea. Phone Post
12/13/12 3:38 PM
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Smellde Gluve - If the average person decides to give the UFC a shot and happens to land on a little-guy ufc card they might lose his interest.

I don't want this. I like the variety on the cards.

if the little guys cant carry their own weight they shouldnt be there... I believe they can and will. the biggest ppv draws in boxing are 145lbers. 

chunking them together on one card willl make each fight that much more important because now you have context and relevance any casual viewer can see.  Insteaed of how it is now, sporradically all over the place with no context and no relevance (besides the title fights).

with prelims on free TV the market will get more than enough of the other weight classes.

12/13/12 3:42 PM
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greg39tigers - sounds good but...
say your co main headliner gets hurt and there is no one else in the top 30 for your other co main event fighter to fight. he has to wait until another card for his weight class comes up, he doesnt just get a fight on the next couple of cards like now. wont work like that

UFC 146... the main card was all HW's and 2 guys had to pull out including one of the main eventers (co-main).  the card was shuffled around and was still a huge success on ppv.  everyone who was able to fight got a good opponent.

12/13/12 3:48 PM
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stars only last a few years... so you have to constantly be creating new stars.  Conversely, Divisions/ are immortal.

This is why the giants are still in business and sell stadiums.  people follow the Giants not eli manning.... why they follow the knicks, not patrcik ewing. etc...

divisions need to also become the product.  when you develop cards with more than one division you confuse the marketplace because they dont really understand why this or that fight matters... the context and relevance of the undercard fights are lost.  so it's just watching fights for the sake of watching fights.

if people wanted to watch football for just the sake of watching football they'd just go down to the local highschool field.  same with basketball.  there needs to be context and relavence.

The only context and relevance in the UFC are title fights, #1 contender fights and fights that are manufactured grudge matches.  everything else is just filler.... at best "oh i know that guy, i like his fights" or "i like that guy", "i dont like that guy".
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mostly it's just watching a fight to watch a fight and more often than not it's watching a fight waiting for the main event.


Great Post and some great insight!

"The only context and relevance in the UFC are title fights, #1 contender fights and fights that are manufactured grudge matches. everything else is just filler.... at best "oh i know that guy, i like his fights" or "i like that guy", "i dont like that guy".

this is exactly it, and the all one weight class cards to change this!

hey thanks for joining in... your idea was the catalyst for this thread.

12/13/12 3:49 PM
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SupesUp -  If you get hurt you have to wait a whole cycle to fight again? Phone Post

when your injured your out for a couple months at least. there are 8 classes, so you'd have to wait 7 cards. which is about 2-3 months tops anyway. maybe fighters will stop pulling out as much knowing they have to wait a little. and theres room for 3 cards per division a year. so its basically the same.
Ok well if this is the formula the biggest issue you'd run into is finding any champions willing to fight every 2-3 months, even every 4-6 months.
I love this idea in theory, it makes for great cards, consistency in divisions, ease to shuffle injuries around but I think logistically it would cause a ton of headaches. Phone Post
12/13/12 3:51 PM
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BW (135)...  Let's look at what the next card could look like:

main card:

Barao vs Macdonald (Interim Title fight with Cruz getting next shot)

picket vs wineland (winner could be in title eliminator)

Faber vs Menjivar (winner could be in next title eliminator)

Bryan Carawy vs Raphael Assancoo (winner goes into the mix)

Bowles vs Mizugaki (winner goes back into the mix)

Prelims:

mix and match what you think makes sense with:

tj dillahaw, mike easton, jorgenson, kid yamamoto, perez, jabuoin, alex caceres, etc...

you keep this division on FX until it develops more.

a barao vs mcdonald title fight will do just fine as a fight night on FX in terms of doing as well if not better in the ratings and gate.  a unification bout vs dominick could even work on big fox.

as you keep them together everyone of these guys in the division will become more well known... all a person would have to do is remember Urijah faber and they'll automatically recall all the other fighters who are consistently on the same cards as he is.


the above card would be the worst event the UFC could put on under this structure...  let that digest for a moment.

and this is obviously at a time when the division is very weak... it's only gonna get more stacked - as with every other division.

12/13/12 4:53 PM
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since it would be prudent to test this model on one weight class first to prove it's efficacy and success before rolling it out... i propose the LW division.  for 2 reasons:

1) it's matured and got depth.

2) it's not a ppv product yet (unlike 170) so there's little to no downside risk in implementing this.

I would place these fights on Fox at least 3 times and then move to ppv to prove the efficacy and success of this model.

here's what the next LW card could look like in under this structure/model:

Main Card:

Bendo vs Melendez (title fight)

Pettis vs Cerrone (title eliminator)

Alavarez va Maynard (winner could possibly be in next title eliminator)

Louzan vs Jim Miller (winner could possibly be in next title eliminator)

Diego Sanchez vs Nate Diaz (winner goe back into the mix)

Prelims:

Varner vs Guillard

Gomi vs sherk

Dos Anjos vs Khabib

and fill the rest with matches you think would make the most sense:  tj grant, wiman, barboza, tibaou, volkman, yves, etc...

that would be a sick card... and more importantly it would continue to be a sick card because in this structure you got a never ending tournament style hybrid of a roundrobin/ladder system.

Place that bad boy on fox 3 times and you got a ppv product that will last forever no matter who's champ.... but ultimately i believe this model will be so successful free tv and subscription licensing fees will far surpass ppv revenue.

conversely under the current fighter cenric system as soon as BJ penn left  they had to start all over with the division in terms of promotion.

Imagine if Frankie and Bendo came up under the model im proposing....  it would have been mma orgasm after mma orgasm. the division wouldnt have skipped a significant beat with frankie and bendo taking it over.

again we wouldnt only be excited about a fight, we'd be excited about the entire LW events.

This is a simple test im proposing... take the 155lb division into this structure/model and see what happens.

12/13/12 8:13 PM
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Don't agree with this, but I like when they have all one weight cards like they did with the ultimate heavyweight are. Maybe some style match up cards, (BJJ vs Muay Thai, kickboxing vs wrestling), but not for EVERY card. Phone Post

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