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12/13/12 8:13 PM
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Don't agree with this, but I like when they have all one weight cards like they did with the ultimate heavyweight are. Maybe some style match up cards, (BJJ vs Muay Thai, kickboxing vs wrestling), but not for EVERY card. Phone Post
12/13/12 9:10 PM
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I love this idea. Solves the injury issue, gives us stacked cards that actually mean something, and makes it easy for casual fans to see who is in the mix in each division. Phone Post
12/13/12 11:11 PM
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I would have way more interest in the smaller divisions if I got to see their top10 fight in one night. And I've never been a fan of the smaller guys.

I really like this idea. Phone Post
12/13/12 11:48 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing half a card featuring one weight class with a mix of other matches. Phone Post
12/14/12 1:34 AM
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TheBulgarianAssassin - Also a problem with this is if the UFC is coming to your town and you wanna go but don't like that weight class. Current UFC PPV's have different weight classes to suit all preferences.

there are logistical challenges like the one you mentioned... but i believe this would be far superior.  people primarily buy tickets not because they like a certain weight class, but because they like certain names on the card.

So cards are developed and targeted to a market based on names and what the gate that market can produce... bigger names go to the markets with bigger potential gates.  lower names to smaller markets.

you'd do the same but from a divisional standpoint.  less popular divisions go to smalle markets... more popular divisions go to bigger markets, etc... 

the biggest problem i see is that you're not gonna have enough events to service the gate demand... but if you look at it from an 80/20 perspective (top 20% produce 80% of the results) I would just stick to the top 20 markets that prodduce 80% of the revenue. 

around 27 mega events a year is more than enough to service the top 20% of the markets that produce 80% of the revenue. 


I enjoy many weight classes. If I go see an event live, I wouldn't want all heavyweights or all bantamweights/flyweights. I'd wanna see one fight with that's fast paced with lighter guys and another one with big heavyweight going at it, even a woman's fight in there too. Variety makes it good.
12/14/12 1:42 AM
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Hmm...

This idea has merit, indeed; but I'd like to experiment more with it in this hypothetical discussion.

There are obviously some great ideas here- but we should also be looking for the potential negatives as well, and you happen to run into a lot of questions when it comes to weighing risks vs. benefit. Lets lay out the possible negatives, just to examine this as realistically as possible.

Like I said, lot of good ideas- lots of good insight, and some nice outside-the-box thinking at play here. At what point do you think it would be easiest for the UFC to implement these kinds of cards? And, that being said- at what point do you think we'd see this new platform of UFC matchmaking start paying dividends- to the fighters, the UFC, and the fans? How long would it take, in your opinion- for this platform to payoff and really take-off?

Cool idea, awesome idea for a thread- as this is the type of intelligent hypothetical discussion that creates positive exchanges and thoughtful discourse, IMO. Phone Post
12/14/12 1:46 AM
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JBASS - With as many fighters that compete for the UFC (something like 400?), this could very well bottle neck divisions simply due to the length of time between PPVs for each weight class. Not every fighter in each weight class will fight at each event and when you factor in injuries, this model could possibly put fighters on a potential 1 fight per 1-2 year rotation.

I do like the idea, just don't think it would work under the current UFC structure. Although the HW card was a good one, there were other weight classes on the undercard.
The big names would fight every 4 months or so like they do anyways on their weight classes ppv month.

The up and comers would fight on the small shows like fx and fuel. I would imagine with this model, you would have two or three small card fights for every big ppv for each weight class. Phone Post

Yeah I see what you're saying - I just think that with only certain dates of the year that fighters can fight and other factors that can play a part (e.g. this current injury issue), this could become a logistical nightmare for the UFC as far as working out rankings.

I love the idea of having a single-weight class PPV every now and then but I don't think it could work as a permanent PPV model though.
12/14/12 2:01 AM
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Ryan Black -  Hmm...

This idea has merit, indeed; but I'd like to experiment more with it in this hypothetical discussion.

There are obviously some great ideas here- but we should also be looking for the potential negatives as well, and you happen to run into a lot of questions when it comes to weighing risks vs. benefit. Lets lay out the possible negatives, just to examine this as realistically as possible.

Like I said, lot of good ideas- lots of good insight, and some nice outside-the-box thinking at play here. At what point do you think it would be easiest for the UFC to implement these kinds of cards? And, that being said- at what point do you think we'd see this new platform of UFC matchmaking start paying dividends- to the fighters, the UFC, and the fans? How long would it take, in your opinion- for this platform to payoff and really take-off?

Cool idea, awesome idea for a thread- as this is the type of intelligent hypothetical discussion that creates positive exchanges and thoughtful discourse, IMO. Phone Post

the best way to impliment this in my opinion is to start with one weight class... test the efficacy and success of it, perfect the system then rolll it out to the next weight class and then the next... so on and so forth.

I would start with the 155lb class because it has matured in depth, and it's not a real ppv property yet so this pilot program has little risk.

as far as how soon everyone (fans, zuffa and the fighters) will see the benefits... id say both immediately and long term. 

as we've seen with ufc 146... it was an all HW main card with 2 guys pulling out one of which was in the main event.  the card was still a success both from a ppv buy perspective and from an experiential/fan perspective.

short term this would solve the injury problem.  long term this would turn the UFC into a real league like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc...  where people are following and buying tickets to the giants instead of eli manning. it would revolutionize fight sports.

Each UFC event would be like the superbowl of fight sports.

the more popular GSP is the more popular every other welterweight on his cards become.  the star equity spreads.

Under this structure... if johnny hendricks beat sadollah, pierce, fitch, koscheck, and kampmann on all welterweight cards instead of sporadically spread out and mixed on different cards... the GSP/Hendricks fight would be a mega event right now and we wouldnt have to resort to boxing style matchmaking to sell fights.

infact almost every GSP title defense would be a "Nick Diaz" type of money fight. 

each event would be huge and the equity ball would keep getting bigger and bigger even after GSP's reign.  there would be so much history and depth of experience with each division.

12/14/12 2:10 AM
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Ryan Black -  Hmm...

This idea has merit, indeed; but I'd like to experiment more with it in this hypothetical discussion.

There are obviously some great ideas here- but we should also be looking for the potential negatives as well, and you happen to run into a lot of questions when it comes to weighing risks vs. benefit. Lets lay out the possible negatives, just to examine this as realistically as possible.

Like I said, lot of good ideas- lots of good insight, and some nice outside-the-box thinking at play here. At what point do you think it would be easiest for the UFC to implement these kinds of cards? And, that being said- at what point do you think we'd see this new platform of UFC matchmaking start paying dividends- to the fighters, the UFC, and the fans? How long would it take, in your opinion- for this platform to payoff and really take-off?

Cool idea, awesome idea for a thread- as this is the type of intelligent hypothetical discussion that creates positive exchanges and thoughtful discourse, IMO. Phone Post

the best way to impliment this in my opinion is to start with one weight class... test the efficacy and success of it, perfect the system then rolll it out to the next weight class and then the next... so on and so forth.

I would start with the 155lb class because it has matured in depth, and it's not a real ppv property yet so this pilot program has little risk.

as far as how soon everyone (fans, zuffa and the fighters) will see the benefits... id say both immediately and long term. 

as we've seen with ufc 146... it was an all HW main card with 2 guys pulling out one of which was in the main event.  the card was still a success both from a ppv buy perspective and from an experiential/fan perspective.

short term this would solve the injury problem.  long term this would turn the UFC into a real league like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc...  where people are following and buying tickets to the giants instead of eli manning. it would revolutionize fight sports.

Each UFC event would be like the superbowl of fight sports.

the more popular GSP is the more popular every other welterweight on his cards become.  the star equity spreads.

Under this structure... if johnny hendricks beat sadollah, pierce, fitch, koscheck, and kampmann on all welterweight cards instead of sporadically spread out and mixed on different cards... the GSP/Hendricks fight would be a mega event right now and we wouldnt have to resort to boxing style matchmaking to sell fights.

infact almost every GSP title defense would be a "Nick Diaz" type of money fight. 

each event would be huge and the equity ball would keep getting bigger and bigger even after GSP's reign.  there would be so much history and depth of experience with each division.


The problem I see with that is that Hendro would have to fight on virtually every WW card to get to title contention - something that is not exactly realistic when you have as many fighters in the WW division as what the UFC has. Under that model, it could possibly take a fighter years to get to title contention.
12/14/12 2:29 AM
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JBASS - With as many fighters that compete for the UFC (something like 400?), this could very well bottle neck divisions simply due to the length of time between PPVs for each weight class. Not every fighter in each weight class will fight at each event and when you factor in injuries, this model could possibly put fighters on a potential 1 fight per 1-2 year rotation.

I do like the idea, just don't think it would work under the current UFC structure. Although the HW card was a good one, there were other weight classes on the undercard.
The big names would fight every 4 months or so like they do anyways on their weight classes ppv month.

The up and comers would fight on the small shows like fx and fuel. I would imagine with this model, you would have two or three small card fights for every big ppv for each weight class. Phone Post

Yeah I see what you're saying - I just think that with only certain dates of the year that fighters can fight and other factors that can play a part (e.g. this current injury issue), this could become a logistical nightmare for the UFC as far as working out rankings.

I love the idea of having a single-weight class PPV every now and then but I don't think it could work as a permanent PPV model though.

it's like a bus... you miss one you catch the next one in 4 months.  I dont expect that every top 20 guy will be able to make all 3 events per year every year  including the champ.  that's where an interim title and/or making it a free card comes in.  this way you get to feature all the weight classes at some point on free television (in addition to the regular exposure the prelims get) and then you pull them back into ppv for the next one.

The giants dont cancel games because eli manning is sidelined or schedule dates based on eli mannings health.  

the logistical and promotional challenges this presents are more of a global expansion issue. 

Im saying the model that's being proposed here should be the core UFC product. you can always hold mixed fight cards around this core product to penetrate international markets.  you can use guys like Rich Franklin, Wand and local tuf talent to do this, etc...

same weight class cards would actually be much easier to put together.just from a straight event planning model.  who are all the top active welterweights right now... go down the list and skip those who cant make it.  Then simply match them up.

It doesnt have to be a strict ladder system of rankings.  You take the champ, place him against the top contender (this is your main event).  you set up a title eliminator (which 2 guys make the most sense to get the next shot and this is your co-main), then you take the next top 6 guys and match them up (which gives you the rest of the main card.  That gives the viewer a visual represntation of the top 10 (who's in the mix).

then you take everyone else working to get into the 10 and match them up to make great fights on the prelims.

there is no need for a strict ranking system.  you start with the best guy which everyone knows.  you then get the best challenger. and so on and so forth.

Once this same weight class cards are in play even the most casual viewer will be arguing that hendricks deserves the title shot instead of Nick because it will be clear as day.  Everyone will be able to connect the dots.

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I think that is a cool idea. Some people have questioned the depth of the weight classes, maybe it could be main card only, the prelims coils be a mix as they are now. Phone Post
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Ryan Black -  Hmm...

This idea has merit, indeed; but I'd like to experiment more with it in this hypothetical discussion.

There are obviously some great ideas here- but we should also be looking for the potential negatives as well, and you happen to run into a lot of questions when it comes to weighing risks vs. benefit. Lets lay out the possible negatives, just to examine this as realistically as possible.

Like I said, lot of good ideas- lots of good insight, and some nice outside-the-box thinking at play here. At what point do you think it would be easiest for the UFC to implement these kinds of cards? And, that being said- at what point do you think we'd see this new platform of UFC matchmaking start paying dividends- to the fighters, the UFC, and the fans? How long would it take, in your opinion- for this platform to payoff and really take-off?

Cool idea, awesome idea for a thread- as this is the type of intelligent hypothetical discussion that creates positive exchanges and thoughtful discourse, IMO. Phone Post

the best way to impliment this in my opinion is to start with one weight class... test the efficacy and success of it, perfect the system then rolll it out to the next weight class and then the next... so on and so forth.

I would start with the 155lb class because it has matured in depth, and it's not a real ppv property yet so this pilot program has little risk.

as far as how soon everyone (fans, zuffa and the fighters) will see the benefits... id say both immediately and long term. 

as we've seen with ufc 146... it was an all HW main card with 2 guys pulling out one of which was in the main event.  the card was still a success both from a ppv buy perspective and from an experiential/fan perspective.

short term this would solve the injury problem.  long term this would turn the UFC into a real league like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc...  where people are following and buying tickets to the giants instead of eli manning. it would revolutionize fight sports.

Each UFC event would be like the superbowl of fight sports.

the more popular GSP is the more popular every other welterweight on his cards become.  the star equity spreads.

Under this structure... if johnny hendricks beat sadollah, pierce, fitch, koscheck, and kampmann on all welterweight cards instead of sporadically spread out and mixed on different cards... the GSP/Hendricks fight would be a mega event right now and we wouldnt have to resort to boxing style matchmaking to sell fights.

infact almost every GSP title defense would be a "Nick Diaz" type of money fight. 

each event would be huge and the equity ball would keep getting bigger and bigger even after GSP's reign.  there would be so much history and depth of experience with each division.


The problem I see with that is that Hendro would have to fight on virtually every WW card to get to title contention - something that is not exactly realistic when you have as many fighters in the WW division as what the UFC has. Under that model, it could possibly take a fighter years to get to title contention.

 

I disagree.  He could miss an event... when he comes back he'll start right where he left off.at worst he'll move back one spot.  If his next fight was supposed to be a title eliminator and he cant make it, he'll likely get that same spot the next event. 

 

if you have to pull out it's only fair the next guy in line takes your spot.

if you're injured you're gonna be out a few months on average anyway.

Let's look at Johnny's UFC run under the current system.  He began his run with a win over TJ walburger in march 2011.  he went on a 5 fight winning streak and still doesnt have a title shot... and to my knowledge he never pulled out during this time due to injury.

Here's the result of the current model: 

this march will be 2 years and he's only had 5 fights which he won (3 of which were over top 5 guys),  he has no title shot, and nobody outside of the hardcores are asking for this fight.

Now in the model being proposed in this thread... Johnny would have had 6 fights in 2 years... more importantly the 6th being a title fight and most importantly everyone would be asking for it.

this is how his run would look like:

- he TKO's tj waldburger on an all WW prelim card.

some interest is shown... this guy could be a factor in the ww division.

- he gets a tougher fight on the prelims of the next all WW card against mike pierce (who also is coming in with a tko of kenny robertson on the same previous prelim card.... so this fight was already sold... wink, wink).  Hendricks decisons Mike Pierce.

- with a win over a quality opponent Hendricks is moved to the main card of the next all WW event against JOn Fitch.   Hendricks knocks him the fuck out.

casual fans (not just the underground) start picturing how this guy would do against GSP.

- Hendricks gets his next test in koscheck.... again on the next all ww event on the main card.  He wins.

people are now familiar with this guy and his threat to GSp. he has now beaten 2 top WW's. 

- Hendricks gets a  title eliminator against kampmann (who's also coming off impressive wins against thiago silva and ellenberger on the same cards as hendricks)... it's a collision courses months in the making.  Hendricks knocks him the fuck out.

Now our uncles and aunts are telling us how this guy is gonna beat GSP... we go to our granddmothers house and she seems concerned for GSP.  evey water cooler is talking about GSP vs Hendricks.

Im being dramtic to illustrate the clear difference.

in the model being proposed here you can see just how much more relevant and important Johnnys fight against mike pierce is.  forget about the title fight... we can see how much more weight the kampmann vs Hendricks fight would have if both guys came up under this structure.

it's like a drama series... you're just waiting for this guy to eventually fuck that girl even though they are so far apart at the moment... by season 3 she's sucking his dick.

when you see all these ww's chunked together your mind pictures all the possibilities after each event. who's gonna fuck who next... i mean who's gonna fight who next.  what it's gonna be like, etc...

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YOURMMASTORE -  I think that is a cool idea. Some people have questioned the depth of the weight classes, maybe it could be main card only, the prelims coils be a mix as they are now. Phone Post

I say start with one that already has the depth... perfect the system then roll out to the next one that has the depth and by the time you get to the last one they'll all have the depth.

they all have the depth now... you just may need to go to eastern europe to get it.

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Couldn't the same interest in weight classes be created by implementing an honest discourse about the rankings during each event? Taking a brief look, with highlights, of the recent happenings in each division would be just as relevant, right?

If they took a few moments to address what's happening in each division then all fans would have a legitimate idea of the ebb and flow of challengers.

An actual hierarchy of achievement in the weight classes could be a bit convoluted because styles make fights. So a fighter overcoming a bad match up in impressive fashion may make him a more credible opponent for the champ than the actual #1 contender under your structure.

Also, fan favorites, think (berry or leban) that arent actually close to title contention would be relegated to prelims instead of bolstering a "boring" fight card filled with legitimate contenders (think Fitch haters).

I really appreciate your thoughts on this though. I'm open to the idea but if I had to choose at this point, I'd rather not see your plan come to fruition.

Divisions don't work like regional football teams. I represent all California teams in football, basketball and baseball because im from cali. but I wouldn't represent 170/185 because I weigh that much.

Honest an comprehensive discourse about the divisions> unofficial official tournament style cards

Injuries fuck up an actual ranking system. Phone Post
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I think another fact of the matter is that people cheer for fighters more than they are concerned about the number 2, 3 or 4th contenders.

You might be close to a title shot but if you're boring then... Well, impress me and well talk.

Not exactly my opinion but I think it is the general scope of the many. Phone Post
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MarkRobinson -  Couldn't the same interest in weight classes be created by implementing an honest discourse about the rankings during each event? Taking a brief look, with highlights, of the recent happenings in each division would be just as relevant, right?

If they took a few moments to address what's happening in each division then all fans would have a legitimate idea of the ebb and flow of challengers.

An actual hierarchy of achievement in the weight classes could be a bit convoluted because styles make fights. So a fighter overcoming a bad match up in impressive fashion may make him a more credible opponent for the champ than the actual #1 contender under your structure.

Also, fan favorites, think (berry or leban) that arent actually close to title contention would be relegated to prelims instead of bolstering a "boring" fight card filled with legitimate contenders (think Fitch haters).

I really appreciate your thoughts on this though. I'm open to the idea but if I had to choose at this point, I'd rather not see your plan come to fruition.

Divisions don't work like regional football teams. I represent all California teams in football, basketball and baseball because im from cali. but I wouldn't represent 170/185 because I weigh that much.

Honest an comprehensive discourse about the divisions> unofficial official tournament style cards

Injuries fuck up an actual ranking system. Phone Post

 

highlighting the current state of a division before every divisional fight wouldnt be practical... and if you only do it for title fights or #1 contender fights well it's not really necessary because those fights are already relevant and the viewers have some sort of context to their importance.

 

let's take a micro view of this... 

Fitch vs Eric Silva  and Maia vs Rick Story were on the same card.  you now have maia vs fitch.  automatically that fight became more relevant and people have more context to it as opposed to if they were on different cards.

if those 2 original fights happened on an all ww card the effect would be even greater... it would be perceived as even more relevant and the context would be even more apparent when maia and ficth ultimately meet... moreover, the winners next fight will be more relevant.... because his next opponent likely went through the same thing on the same cards.  you see the natural hype wave this model creates?

now when i say more relevant... it's already relevant in reality no matter where it is but the relevance and context would be understood by the casual viewer and hammered home even to the hardcore viewer.

we are simply chunking the product to how our mind is trying to consume it anyway... whenever we see these fights we place it in context to what we know of their division so as hardcore fans we understand the relevance and context more so than the casual viewer.

as far as heirarchy... im not advocating a fixed ranking system to determine the fights.  matchmaking is still involved,  in general the top 10 guys are on the main card and guys who are working to get into the top 10 are on the prelims.

UFC in general does a pretty good job in identifying who the best guy is and who the #1 contender is with their match making.  im just saying organize all those fights to determine that on the same cards.

yes there are differences in home town teams and a division... my point is that the divisions will also become a major part of the product... not just the fighter.

under the model proposed in this thread you wouldnt have to start from promotional scratch with the LW division if BJ penn leaves.  in this proposed model BJ's star equity would spread and shared more effectively.

a rising tide lifts all boats... so the bigger star the champ is the bigger everyone else in the division become and thus the transition of a new champ is an easier promotional job.

as far as the Jon Fitch types... he's still been on main cards under the current system... even main evented a card against BJ penn.  again im not proposing a fixed ranking system... you still need matchmaking to make the best fights.

Im just saying organize all those fights from a division onto one card.  Zuffa still needs some freedom of matchmaking to create the contenders and future champs.

you may not prefer this structure... but before you finalize you're opionion take a look at how these HW, LHW, MW, WW and LW cards would look like...  these are mma superbowl cards.  People on the underground would suck dick for cards like this.

the major sticking point im seeing from most here are the FW's, BW's and FLW's.  if you have to sit through a FW or BW card which will likely be on free TV so you can have these HW, LHW, MW, WW cards life aint too bad.

the WEC was exclusively lighter weights and the overwhelming consensus was that the wec was either the best or tied with the best mma product.

I suspect they will change their tune and fall in love with the lighter weights if they are organized in the manner proposed in this thread.  I suspect if this format is implimented nobody will ever want to sit through a mixed card again because it will seem too disjointed... no rhyme or reason behind it.... it wont make any sense.

 

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MarkRobinson -  I think another fact of the matter is that people cheer for fighters more than they are concerned about the number 2, 3 or 4th contenders.

You might be close to a title shot but if you're boring then... Well, impress me and well talk.

Not exactly my opinion but I think it is the general scope of the many. Phone Post

they can still cheer for fighters in the model proposed in this thread...  what happens before they get behind and start cheering for fighters? 

they see Eric Silva look awesome on a mixed card... what are they cheering him for?  the casual viewer cant even project a path to the title for him.

i addressed the confusion regarding the problems you see with the rankings above... in short im not proposing a fixed ranking system.

The UFC in general does a very good job in matchmaking to develop top 10 talent, to get guys into the mix and to develop #1 contenders and future champs...  all im saying is simply take that matchmaking for a division and place it all on the same events.

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Here's what a HW card could look like in this model:

main card:

JDS vs Overeem

Cain vs Werdum (title eliminator)

Struve vs  Cormier (winner in next title eliminator)

Kongo vs Big Nog (winner in next title eliminator)

Mir vs Barnett (winner gets back into the mix)

Prelim card:

Roy Nelson vs Rothwell

Mark Hunt vs Antonio Silva

Gonazaga vs Miocic

delrosario vs pat barry

Brandon Shuab vs Lavar Johnson

Facebook fight:

Mittrione vs russow

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now who doesnt want cards like this?  some of you would suck dick for cards like this.

Now with a 25% injury rate we've had for the past 3 yeaars it means on average we'll see 3 fighters per card pulling out. imagine 4 guys pull out.  You shuffle it around and it's still an epic card... and since every HW in the world knows this date is the HW card there will be tons of guys waiting for the call.

imagine a HW card like this 3 times a year...   imagine 3 of these guys cant make the next card... no problem :)

This model virtually eliminates the injury problems.  this is just one benefit.

these cards will be mega cards.  suprobowl cards.  the sport will be easier to follow. the casual viewer will be able to understand the relevance and context of each fight as well as you and I (hardcore fans) do.

Imagine bringing up a contender ro becoming a champion through this model... imagine JDS coming up through this model... he'd be a household name. 

Every event would be an mma orgasm...  this would revolutionize fight sports.

how can anyone look at that card and complain abou a BW or FW card that would likely be on free TV?

 

 

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Now let's look at what a LHW card could look like in this model:

Main Crad:

Jones vs Hendo

Machida vs Gustaffson (title eliminator)

Glover vs Rampage (winner could fight in next title eliminator)

Rashad vs Little Nog (winner fights in next title eliminator)

Shogun vs Mousasi (winner goes onto the mix)

Prelim:

phil davis vs vinny mag

tehuna vs jiimmo

manuwa vs diabate

Bader vs thiago silva

hamill vs vera

feijao vs igor pokrach

 

You still bitching about having to watch a BW card????  look at that mma orgasm for goodness sakes...

imagine having a light heavy weight card like that 3 times a year.

Now let's play...  Hendo gets injured... no problem.  machida or Gustaffson is on deck and it's still an epic card.  Let's say Jones is throwing a bitch fit because his daddy greg jackson doesnt like the short notice fight... no problem :). 

Set up an interim title... bada bing.  still an Epic card.  everyone who bought tickets are still getting their moneys worth.  the card still sells.  and the world keeps turning.

3 cards like this every year... you still complaining about the lighter weights?  bitches please...

12/14/12 5:27 AM
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Let's look at what a MW card could look like in this model:

Main card:

Anderson vs Bisping

weidman vs Boetsch (title eliminator)

Vitor vs Beclher (winner in next title eliminator)

Luke Rockhold vs Costa Pliapou (winner in next title eliminator)

Sonnen vs Wanderlei (winner gets back into the mix)

Prelim card:

Lombard vs Stann

Okami vs Palharres

Ed Herman vs Carmont

Jacare vs Roger Gracie

cammozi vs nick ring

Larkin vs tavares

Facebook:

kennedy vs fukuda.

 

Just looking at it gives you an orgasm....  Picture in your mind 3 cards like this every year....  can you feel it?  can you hear the crowd?  can you anticipate the goosebumps?

this model would even make the "pride never die" fans forget japanese mma ever existed.

12/14/12 5:37 AM
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If the UFC was a German factory geared towards efficiency and productivity you sir would be the big boss person.

However this is entertainment. Variety is required. There are also a gazillion financial and practical reasons this would never float.

I could see a card here and there dominated with a certain weight class such as the now defunct Strikeforce HW tourney cards but definitely not financially viable for both the promoter and the fighters outside of that frequency.

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Cool idea but I don't see it work out in the long run, like other said it limits the flexibility of fights, let say u get injured 1 month before ur fight and you'd be ready in 2-3, you'll have to wait even longer.and more of a chance of getting injured again in training. I do miss tournament style events tho! Phone Post
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i think its a great idea. at least the whole main card.

it woud also help fights from being canceled due to injury, it would be easier to make new matchups with guys already on the card if anything happened to one of the fights.

also, up-and-coming guys from different weights would know when those shows are scheduled they shouldb e ready to replace an injured fighter even if they arent booked on the card themselves.


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