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12/22/12 10:02 AM
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Hey guys,

First big piece I've written in a while - I got bogged down in post event stuff for events that barely anyone watched! This piece has blown up on BE and I would love to keep winning on the traffic ;) 

Hope you don't mind clicking the link and as always all feedback is welcomed!

Cheers,

Jack

There seems in this sport to be a great desire to overstate a fighter's stand up competence based only on the result of his fights and not what actually takes place in them. Cain Velasquez is consistently touted as a great striker with a complete striking skill set - in fact a great deal was made of this ahead of his first meeting with Dos Santos. In truth Junior Dos Santos is someone who understands striking and sets up hard offensive salvos and counters with pot shots and feints early in a match. Cain Velasquez is someone who follows instructions very well and throws his strikes in exactly the ways he has been told to throw them, without really thinking about building to an end game. It is the difference between playing chess by weighing up all the likely responses of the opponent to each threat presented by the player, and playing with a set series of moves regardless of the opponents actions.

Unlike their digital counterparts in the popular video game UFC Undisputed real fighters do not have offensive striking and defensive striking attributes because offense and defense are not two separate disciplines. In fact it is on offense that a fighter must keep sound defensive form most of all to avoid running on to a counter with his hands down and his chin out like this unfortunate soul. Cain Velasquez is one of a large group of fighters who are consistently touted as great strikers but make basic technical mistakes, often causing them to run on to punches.

The two greatest myths around Cain Velasquez are that he has a weak chin and that he is pillow fisted. His record and knockdowns serve to disprove the second, but I will disprove the first by demonstrating just how often Cain gets hit while he's moving in.

Failed Head Movement

What I have affectionately termed 'Rashad Evans syndrome' is the habit of moving one's head around constantly until actually attempting an attack, where upon one's head comes straight up. It could just as easy be called Frank Mir syndrome, Diego Sanchez syndrome, or any number of other things, but Rashad Evan's famous loss to Lyoto Machida as Evans dived forward with his head upright into a punch is probably the best high profile example of this fault.

Cain Velasquez suffers from this ailment as well and is consequently an easy man to catch coming in - particularly in the early going of a fight. In his first UFC bout against Brad Morris, Velasquez seemed to simply eat Morris' punches until he landed a left hook as Morris was coming in to floor his opponent. Most of Cain's faults sneak in due to his hyper aggressive mind set - as he wades toward his opponent and attacks with his head bolt upright he is easy to strike.


1. Cain is caught with a leaping left hook.

2. Cain eats a jab as he attempts a jab.

3. Which is followed by a right straight.

4. And a left hook.

Notice that Cain's right hand is low enough that Morris can land the left hook on Velasquez's neck. I am sure there are many fans out there thinking that it is unfair to critique this small hole in Velasquez's first showing but it is one which has stayed with him long after the departure of "octagon jitters". Cheick Kongo's punching game is not especially sound - he won most of his kickboxing matches with his nice kicks and his frightening double collar tie - but he was able to pick off Cain twice in exactly the same way by exploiting Cain's upright posture as the latter ran in. Notice in the stills below that Kongo punches with his feet level underneath him (making it difficult to generate power) and while looking away - but is still accurate because Velasquez's head doesn't move off line. Kongo's striking pedigree meant nothing here - almost anyone can be taught to move their head and punch back. Check out the gifs here.


Even in Velasquez's dominating performance over Brock Lesnar he ate a couple of hard jabs square in the mouth as he ran in with his head high. Certainly they had no effect on the outcome of the fight but they could easily be landed by someone who actually had an idea of how to box instead of Lesnar and become a problem for Cain.


This is not a hard fault to exploit and I am certain that once Cain begins to find confidence on his feet again we will see him eat more shots from lesser fighters until he learns to move his head as he punches, not before and after.

Continues at: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/21/3791428/ufc-155-cain-velasquez-junior-dos-santos-jack-slack-judo-chop

 

12/22/12 10:17 AM
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12/22/12 10:19 AM
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12/22/12 10:21 AM
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Another great article, thanks Jack. Looking forward to your Killing the King: Dos Santos!
12/22/12 10:22 AM
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Cain's going to sleep again.

12/22/12 10:34 AM
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Read this yesterday absolutely awesome. Great work as ways sir. Phone Post
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I think we all know what happens if this stays on the feet. Cain should be healthy this time though, so we'll see if he can get in JDS face and take him down Phone Post
12/22/12 11:11 AM
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If you look at the shot JDS dropped Cain with, it appears he studied the Kongo fight quite a bit.

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Awesome analysis as always. Stuff like this is why I love coming here. Voted up!
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Good Read Jack!
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Jp man, good read as always. Phone Post
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Good analysis but I think Cain's striking has improved a ton since Kongo and Rothwell fights that took place over three years ago.
12/22/12 11:58 AM
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Hey guys,

First big piece I've written in a while - I got bogged down in post event stuff for events that barely anyone watched! This piece has blown up on BE and I would love to keep winning on the traffic ;) 

Hope you don't mind clicking the link and as always all feedback is welcomed!

Cheers,

Jack

There seems in this sport to be a great desire to overstate a fighter's stand up competence based only on the result of his fights and not what actually takes place in them. Cain Velasquez is consistently touted as a great striker with a complete striking skill set - in fact a great deal was made of this ahead of his first meeting with Dos Santos. In truth Junior Dos Santos is someone who understands striking and sets up hard offensive salvos and counters with pot shots and feints early in a match. Cain Velasquez is someone who follows instructions very well and throws his strikes in exactly the ways he has been told to throw them, without really thinking about building to an end game. It is the difference between playing chess by weighing up all the likely responses of the opponent to each threat presented by the player, and playing with a set series of moves regardless of the opponents actions.

Unlike their digital counterparts in the popular video game UFC Undisputed real fighters do not have offensive striking and defensive striking attributes because offense and defense are not two separate disciplines. In fact it is on offense that a fighter must keep sound defensive form most of all to avoid running on to a counter with his hands down and his chin out like this unfortunate soul. Cain Velasquez is one of a large group of fighters who are consistently touted as great strikers but make basic technical mistakes, often causing them to run on to punches.

The two greatest myths around Cain Velasquez are that he has a weak chin and that he is pillow fisted. His record and knockdowns serve to disprove the second, but I will disprove the first by demonstrating just how often Cain gets hit while he's moving in.

Failed Head Movement

What I have affectionately termed 'Rashad Evans syndrome' is the habit of moving one's head around constantly until actually attempting an attack, where upon one's head comes straight up. It could just as easy be called Frank Mir syndrome, Diego Sanchez syndrome, or any number of other things, but Rashad Evan's famous loss to Lyoto Machida as Evans dived forward with his head upright into a punch is probably the best high profile example of this fault.

Cain Velasquez suffers from this ailment as well and is consequently an easy man to catch coming in - particularly in the early going of a fight. In his first UFC bout against Brad Morris, Velasquez seemed to simply eat Morris' punches until he landed a left hook as Morris was coming in to floor his opponent. Most of Cain's faults sneak in due to his hyper aggressive mind set - as he wades toward his opponent and attacks with his head bolt upright he is easy to strike.


1. Cain is caught with a leaping left hook.

2. Cain eats a jab as he attempts a jab.

3. Which is followed by a right straight.

4. And a left hook.

Notice that Cain's right hand is low enough that Morris can land the left hook on Velasquez's neck. I am sure there are many fans out there thinking that it is unfair to critique this small hole in Velasquez's first showing but it is one which has stayed with him long after the departure of "octagon jitters". Cheick Kongo's punching game is not especially sound - he won most of his kickboxing matches with his nice kicks and his frightening double collar tie - but he was able to pick off Cain twice in exactly the same way by exploiting Cain's upright posture as the latter ran in. Notice in the stills below that Kongo punches with his feet level underneath him (making it difficult to generate power) and while looking away - but is still accurate because Velasquez's head doesn't move off line. Kongo's striking pedigree meant nothing here - almost anyone can be taught to move their head and punch back. Check out the gifs here.


Even in Velasquez's dominating performance over Brock Lesnar he ate a couple of hard jabs square in the mouth as he ran in with his head high. Certainly they had no effect on the outcome of the fight but they could easily be landed by someone who actually had an idea of how to box instead of Lesnar and become a problem for Cain.


This is not a hard fault to exploit and I am certain that once Cain begins to find confidence on his feet again we will see him eat more shots from lesser fighters until he learns to move his head as he punches, not before and after.

Continues at: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/21/3791428/ufc-155-cain-velasquez-junior-dos-santos-jack-slack-judo-chop

 


What is your stand up experience?how many years? what gyms?
12/22/12 12:30 PM
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Great thread as usual. I think Cain beats everyone else in the division besides reem and JDS. Their standup is just too good and they can keep the fight standing, at least in the first before cain starts wearing on them. Wonder what the sparring looks like at AKA with Cormier and Cain. Would love to see a video of that. Phone Post

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