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1/13/13 7:40 AM
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Hey I live in Canada we don't have gun's! And if someone can fight like Cerrone what the hell do you need a gun for?
Well only in America I guess!
1/13/13 10:21 AM
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ssj - Guns serve no other purpose but to kill, whether it for hunting sport or some psycho kid shooting up his fellow neighbours.

The fact that Americans try and defend their guns as some sort of 'FUCK YOU' to their government is pathetic and fucked up.

The 2nd Amendment was made in a different time and different context, and is now purposely interpreted wrongly in the 21st century without just a little bit of foresight and contextual analysis, its crazy.

Keep clinging on to your guns and therefore allowing the possibility of crazy people in your society blowing away your family, friends and neighbours.

When the NRA responded to Newton with MOAR GUNS FOR GOODIEZ TO KIL DA BADDIEZ that sound you heard was the entire world collectively face palming.
so was the 1st, but you're still using it today... Phone Post
1/13/13 12:47 PM
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Does anyone remember the history lessons from highschool? While one band of Indians were being raped and pillaged, another badn watched from over the horizon because they never liked those bastards anyway...eventually the white man was at their village...this is a historic fact. I wont stand by and watch them take away your right to assemble, or your protection against double jeapordy but dont you dare suggest my right to keep and bear arms is ant less important...
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Atkinson - Deaths by dog attack vs murder by use of gun..

Your argument is absolutely microscopic in comparison.. Just like the rest of the arguments by the pro gun American public. Phone Post

 

Please link to a study that shows a correlation between gun accessiblity and deaths by firearms.

 

 

Here's a hint - they don't exist.

1/13/13 1:39 PM
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It's interesting how some people keep bringing up and glorifying the constitution, as though some legal piece of paper glorified and interpreted to fit a personalized agenda means anything beyond what powers people confer it. As a Canadian, it's weird listening to Americans go on about "the constitution" as though they were automatons and not human beings with the capacity for critical reasoning and forming their own values about it, what is good in it vs. not, how the population of the country can can adapt, etc. There's a difference between the political reality of a need for a legal framework to help organize society, and deification of the legal framework as though it were absolute.

I wonder what the parallel is with those who interpret the bible literally too, as though the constitution is a secularized extension of god's absolute authority to avoid having to accept that the world as it is which is a confusing jumble of contradictions and irrationalities that everyone has to try to find peace with every day. It's almost like God and Country (and Constitution) become substitutes for the parent role to allow those that subscribe to it to feel the safety of playing the child role all their life.
1/13/13 1:40 PM
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woah way to many "as though"'s
1/13/13 6:15 PM
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BertR - It's interesting how some people keep bringing up and glorifying the constitution, as though some legal piece of paper glorified and interpreted to fit a personalized agenda means anything beyond what powers people confer it. As a Canadian, it's weird listening to Americans go on about "the constitution" as though they were automatons and not human beings with the capacity for critical reasoning and forming their own values about it, what is good in it vs. not, how the population of the country can can adapt, etc. There's a difference between the political reality of a need for a legal framework to help organize society, and deification of the legal framework as though it were absolute.

I wonder what the parallel is with those who interpret the bible literally too, as though the constitution is a secularized extension of god's absolute authority to avoid having to accept that the world as it is which is a confusing jumble of contradictions and irrationalities that everyone has to try to find peace with every day. It's almost like God and Country (and Constitution) become substitutes for the parent role to allow those that subscribe to it to feel the safety of playing the child role all their life.

The Constitution is the embodiment of The Rule of Law.  We were the first country formed on the basis that all humans, regardless of the circumstances or social elevation of their birth, are born with certain inalienable rights.

Those rights include the right to speak freely, defend yourself against violence, secure your property and privacy, not be tried ex post facto or be a wtiness against yourself, etc.

As a nation ruled by Law, and not Men, we take it very seriously when someone attempts to annoint themselves as a higher authority than the Law.  

If people believe the world has changed, there is a process defined in the Law for changing the Law, known as Amending.  For a very long time, people thought the Constitiution gave them the authority to own other humans.  When people no longer agreed with that interpretation, we amended the Constitution.  Attempts to circumvent that process should rightly be met with the highest resistance, as they attempt to replace the Rule of Law with the Rule of Man.

1/13/13 6:26 PM
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1/13/13 7:25 PM
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BertR - It's interesting how some people keep bringing up and glorifying the constitution, as though some legal piece of paper glorified and interpreted to fit a personalized agenda means anything beyond what powers people confer it. As a Canadian, it's weird listening to Americans go on about "the constitution" as though they were automatons and not human beings with the capacity for critical reasoning and forming their own values about it, what is good in it vs. not, how the population of the country can can adapt, etc. There's a difference between the political reality of a need for a legal framework to help organize society, and deification of the legal framework as though it were absolute.

I wonder what the parallel is with those who interpret the bible literally too, as though the constitution is a secularized extension of god's absolute authority to avoid having to accept that the world as it is which is a confusing jumble of contradictions and irrationalities that everyone has to try to find peace with every day. It's almost like God and Country (and Constitution) become substitutes for the parent role to allow those that subscribe to it to feel the safety of playing the child role all their life.

The Constitution is the embodiment of The Rule of Law.  We were the first country formed on the basis that all humans, regardless of the circumstances or social elevation of their birth, are born with certain inalienable rights.

Those rights include the right to speak freely, defend yourself against violence, secure your property and privacy, not be tried ex post facto or be a wtiness against yourself, etc.

As a nation ruled by Law, and not Men, we take it very seriously when someone attempts to annoint themselves as a higher authority than the Law.  

If people believe the world has changed, there is a process defined in the Law for changing the Law, known as Amending.  For a very long time, people thought the Constitiution gave them the authority to own other humans.  When people no longer agreed with that interpretation, we amended the Constitution.  Attempts to circumvent that process should rightly be met with the highest resistance, as they attempt to replace the Rule of Law with the Rule of Man.


Excellent post! Voted up. If only that could be the end of the gun control discussion...
1/13/13 7:38 PM
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how bout eliminating the income tax and the fractional reserve monetary system so both parents and older siblings dont have to be a slave to the system?...  how about giving preference to the family structure and community structure that has worked so well for thousands of years?

how bout instead of focusing on guns we get rid of the synthetic drugs being pumped into the population?

that doesnt fit the socialist agenda...  Govt needs to replace the family.  You need to serve and depend on the govt.

Getting rid of Guns?  yep... that's good for the govt.  getting rid of the dumbing down of society? not so good for the govt...


What is it like to be crazy? Honestly interested in your response.
1/13/13 7:43 PM
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BertR - It's interesting how some people keep bringing up and glorifying the constitution, as though some legal piece of paper glorified and interpreted to fit a personalized agenda means anything beyond what powers people confer it. As a Canadian, it's weird listening to Americans go on about "the constitution" as though they were automatons and not human beings with the capacity for critical reasoning and forming their own values about it, what is good in it vs. not, how the population of the country can can adapt, etc. There's a difference between the political reality of a need for a legal framework to help organize society, and deification of the legal framework as though it were absolute.

I wonder what the parallel is with those who interpret the bible literally too, as though the constitution is a secularized extension of god's absolute authority to avoid having to accept that the world as it is which is a confusing jumble of contradictions and irrationalities that everyone has to try to find peace with every day. It's almost like God and Country (and Constitution) become substitutes for the parent role to allow those that subscribe to it to feel the safety of playing the child role all their life.

The Constitution is the embodiment of The Rule of Law.  We were the first country formed on the basis that all humans, regardless of the circumstances or social elevation of their birth, are born with certain inalienable rights.

Those rights include the right to speak freely, defend yourself against violence, secure your property and privacy, not be tried ex post facto or be a wtiness against yourself, etc.

As a nation ruled by Law, and not Men, we take it very seriously when someone attempts to annoint themselves as a higher authority than the Law.  

If people believe the world has changed, there is a process defined in the Law for changing the Law, known as Amending.  For a very long time, people thought the Constitiution gave them the authority to own other humans.  When people no longer agreed with that interpretation, we amended the Constitution.  Attempts to circumvent that process should rightly be met with the highest resistance, as they attempt to replace the Rule of Law with the Rule of Man.


Excellent post! Voted up. If only that could be the end of the gun control discussion...

That's actually a really ridiculous, jingoistic post that exhibits no understanding whatsoever of our history as a nation or western history in general.
1/13/13 7:49 PM
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BertR - It's interesting how some people keep bringing up and glorifying the constitution, as though some legal piece of paper glorified and interpreted to fit a personalized agenda means anything beyond what powers people confer it. As a Canadian, it's weird listening to Americans go on about "the constitution" as though they were automatons and not human beings with the capacity for critical reasoning and forming their own values about it, what is good in it vs. not, how the population of the country can can adapt, etc. There's a difference between the political reality of a need for a legal framework to help organize society, and deification of the legal framework as though it were absolute.

I wonder what the parallel is with those who interpret the bible literally too, as though the constitution is a secularized extension of god's absolute authority to avoid having to accept that the world as it is which is a confusing jumble of contradictions and irrationalities that everyone has to try to find peace with every day. It's almost like God and Country (and Constitution) become substitutes for the parent role to allow those that subscribe to it to feel the safety of playing the child role all their life.

The Constitution is the embodiment of The Rule of Law.  We were the first country formed on the basis that all humans, regardless of the circumstances or social elevation of their birth, are born with certain inalienable rights.

Those rights include the right to speak freely, defend yourself against violence, secure your property and privacy, not be tried ex post facto or be a wtiness against yourself, etc.

As a nation ruled by Law, and not Men, we take it very seriously when someone attempts to annoint themselves as a higher authority than the Law.  

If people believe the world has changed, there is a process defined in the Law for changing the Law, known as Amending.  For a very long time, people thought the Constitiution gave them the authority to own other humans.  When people no longer agreed with that interpretation, we amended the Constitution.  Attempts to circumvent that process should rightly be met with the highest resistance, as they attempt to replace the Rule of Law with the Rule of Man.


Excellent post! Voted up. If only that could be the end of the gun control discussion...
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That's actually a really ridiculous, jingoistic post that exhibits no understanding whatsoever of our history as a nation or western history in general.

You make excellent points.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you wish to contribute something to the discussion, or did you create that sock-puppet account exclusively to drop trollish commentary?

1/13/13 11:55 PM
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"death by dog attack vs death by murder with a gun."

It is likely every state and perhaps every rational country allows use of lethal force to prevent serious injury to self and others. Then the likelihood of such, like stopping a mentally disturbed person with a knife. Robbery, sexual assault, arson of an occupied structure, kidnapping and such.

To limit the data by only looking at "death by a dog attack" is disingenuous, even solely within the realm of dog attacks where mauling is far more common. I was not concerned about being killed as much as it would have been a very serious fight. PSI in a bite can crush an arm; the danger is not in simple puncture wounds but getting busted up and chunks torn out.

Numerous people survive assaults with life-changing injuries and the point is that if we are non-threatening we not only deserve to live but to not get seriously hurt in the process. Phone Post
1/14/13 12:13 AM
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Dale_Gribble_BJJ - Why even anounce what you have? Keep it to yourself. Some of these guys think the government is going to try to kick down their door to take their guns, and their going to gun down the government. All the government has to do is wait till he's training or shopping, and they'll move in on him. Then they'll just walk into his house and confiscate what ever they want. Keep your guns on the DL
Aye. I think the Molon Labe crowd is saying they shouldn't have to hide in shadows, so to speak, so some are loud and proud.

How often does someone name a person when they say, "come and get em?" I doubt a person would say that to a Somali war lord, and .gov is much more capable as even a single drone demonstrates, much less compartmented elements.

As mentioned, even some local US law enforcement agencies are approaching (or exceeding, depending) standards held by paramilitary forces in other countries. Big threats are wiped out. Someone with 100 guns may not be on the radar at all, while someone with a single .22 revolver can be a nightmare. Phone Post
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thebigblastula - 
That's actually a really ridiculous, jingoistic post that exhibits no understanding whatsoever of our history as a nation or western history in general.

You make excellent points.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you wish to contribute something to the discussion, or did you create that sock-puppet account exclusively to drop trollish commentary?


I think he was just happy for the opportunity to use an outlandish word like 'jingoistic' in a sentence. You can't really blame him. Let's let it pass.
1/27/13 11:38 AM
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Cerrone could have used one of those guns last night.

1/27/13 11:47 AM
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No is citizen should poses weapons at the level or stronger then a patrolmen has in his prowler. They are a threat to national security. You don't need an acp to hunt and one bullet stops a burglar as good as 1000. We don't make them then the 'crazies' won't use them. Don't know one wacjob cabals of metallurgy.

Cowboy==coward

Hey homie you are right, they arent taking your guns, who said they were? Didn't know he had glass balls too.
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No is citizen should poses weapons at the level or stronger then a patrolmen has in his prowler. They are a threat to national security. You don't need an acp to hunt and one bullet stops a burglar as good as 1000. We don't make them then the 'crazies' won't use them. Don't know one wacjob cabals of metallurgy.

Cowboy==coward

Hey homie you are right, they arent taking your guns, who said they were? Didn't know he had glass balls too.
1/27/13 12:12 PM
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Jeez, how many paranoid delusionals actually think that gun control means the government is going to send an official notice demanding that their guns be turned in??

My god, the stupidity is astounding. Phone Post
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Virginio - Jeez, how many paranoid delusionals actually think that gun control means the government is going to send an official notice demanding that their guns be turned in??

My god, the stupidity is astounding. Phone Post
See: Australia Phone Post
1/27/13 1:58 PM
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BertR - It's interesting how some people keep bringing up and glorifying the constitution, as though some legal piece of paper glorified and interpreted to fit a personalized agenda means anything beyond what powers people confer it. As a Canadian, it's weird listening to Americans go on about "the constitution" as though they were automatons and not human beings with the capacity for critical reasoning and forming their own values about it, what is good in it vs. not, how the population of the country can can adapt, etc. There's a difference between the political reality of a need for a legal framework to help organize society, and deification of the legal framework as though it were absolute.

I wonder what the parallel is with those who interpret the bible literally too, as though the constitution is a secularized extension of god's absolute authority to avoid having to accept that the world as it is which is a confusing jumble of contradictions and irrationalities that everyone has to try to find peace with every day. It's almost like God and Country (and Constitution) become substitutes for the parent role to allow those that subscribe to it to feel the safety of playing the child role all their life.

The Constitution is the embodiment of The Rule of Law.  We were the first country formed on the basis that all humans, regardless of the circumstances or social elevation of their birth, are born with certain inalienable rights.

Those rights include the right to speak freely, defend yourself against violence, secure your property and privacy, not be tried ex post facto or be a wtiness against yourself, etc.

As a nation ruled by Law, and not Men, we take it very seriously when someone attempts to annoint themselves as a higher authority than the Law.  

If people believe the world has changed, there is a process defined in the Law for changing the Law, known as Amending.  For a very long time, people thought the Constitiution gave them the authority to own other humans.  When people no longer agreed with that interpretation, we amended the Constitution.  Attempts to circumvent that process should rightly be met with the highest resistance, as they attempt to replace the Rule of Law with the Rule of Man.


"The Constitution is the embodiment of The Rule of Law. We were the first country formed on the basis that all humans, regardless of the circumstances or social elevation of their birth, are born with certain inalienable rights."

You are dumb as fuck. "Regardless of the circumstances or social elevation of their birth" Hey fuckface you know only propertied men could vote at the beginning right? "circumstances... of their birth" Hey cockmouth, you know we killed ALL the fucking indians and didn't let even free black people have rights, right?
1/27/13 2:01 PM
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Virginio - Jeez, how many paranoid delusionals actually think that gun control means the government is going to send an official notice demanding that their guns be turned in??

My god, the stupidity is astounding. Phone Post
See: Australia Phone Post

Australia banned guns because Australians supported banning guns. If Australia didn't ban guns, it would have been because their democracy didn't work.

Do you think most Australians wanted to keep their guns and so the nefarious Australian government started a long range plan to get rid of their guns?
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"That's actually a really ridiculous, jingoistic post that exhibits no understanding whatsoever of our history as a nation or western history in general."


No comment as I have not seen the movie.

gun control is controversial enough
1/27/13 6:21 PM
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Virginio -  Jeez, how many paranoid delusionals actually think that gun control means the government is going to send an official notice demanding that their guns be turned in??

My god, the stupidity is astounding. Phone Post

In NY, you now will be the last owner of certain banned guns. You can sell them to a dealer, sell them out of state or turn them in. But you cannot sell them to another person in NY.

In late December, New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo, a Democrat, said that confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens "could be an option."

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