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12/29/12 4:38 PM
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Listen, when Europe can go a few years without a war involving millions of civilians being slaughtered then perhaps we can have an argument about whose system has been more successful. Until then, I'll take my chances with the people who believe that success can be found through toil and determination, who don't feel like they need their government to do it for them.

We also have one of the most diverse populations of any nation on the planet. I'm sure that doesn't contribute to conflicts. I'd love to see a breakdown of what percentage of our murder count occurs in areas that are the largest recipients of the social programs that you Europeans love so much.
12/29/12 4:45 PM
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Donald Cerrone cant shoot 44 guns at the same time. But one fully auto can take out a theater. Those guns should not be sold to civilians imo. Phone Post
12/29/12 4:46 PM
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only 26000 ?  that's not so bad.  I thought it was much higher.  carry on.

32,000 died in auto accidents, and over 500,000 of heart disease, why does no one wage war on cars and fast food? Phone Post
12/29/12 4:50 PM
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youarewhatiswrong - Listen, when Europe can go a few years without a war involving millions of civilians being slaughtered then perhaps we can have an argument about whose system has been more successful. Until then, I'll take my chances with the people who believe that success can be found through toil and determination, who don't feel like they need their government to do it for them.

We also have one of the most diverse populations of any nation on the planet. I'm sure that doesn't contribute to conflicts. I'd love to see a breakdown of what percentage of our murder count occurs in areas that are the largest recipients of the social programs that you Europeans love so much.

Hey, us Murricans love our social programs too! We just like to pretend we don't. Did you know that redstaters that tend to support candidates that campaign against programs like welfare and foodstamps actually are greater consumers of them? Ironic, isn't it?

I mean yeah, its because red states are overall poorer than blue states and genuinely need it more, but the fact remains.
12/29/12 4:52 PM
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only 26000 ?  that's not so bad.  I thought it was much higher.  carry on.

32,000 died in auto accidents, and over 500,000 of heart disease, why does no one wage war on cars and fast food? Phone Post

There actually are laws passed regarding automobiles to try to make them safer, all the time. The industry is heavily regulated.

Of course we NEED cars for our society to function. Fast food is a moot point. The only people dying from fast food are killing themselve voluntarily, which is a bit different from murdering someone else, or many someone elses.
12/29/12 4:54 PM
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I don't want to get into a whole ban guns /don't ban guns argument. What I'm curious about is where the suggestion of the government taking guns comes from? Except for people saying "they won't take my guns", all I've seen about gun control is potentially banning the sale of certain guns in the future, not retroactively. Am I missing something? Phone Post
12/29/12 4:55 PM
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LOL at the American bashing on this thread. Over the years, while on vacations to different places, I have been fortunate to meet people from all over the world. With the execption of a few, they were all nice, friendly people. I had some fun times with them.

But, many people from countries outside of the US, who post here, seem to like bashing the US and come off rather trashy. Why is that??? Maybe the successful ones, the ones who can afford vacations are not bitter, jealous, trashy, douch bags, like the ones who post here.
12/29/12 4:58 PM
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On a side note I saw on the news yesterday that a gun buyback program somewhere did yield a bunch of guns AND 2 rocket launchers. I thought that was interesting. Phone Post
12/29/12 5:00 PM
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DAVID H - LOL at the American bashing on this thread. Over the years, while on vacations to different places, I have been fortunate to meet people from all over the world. With the execption of a few, they were all nice, friendly people. I had some fun times with them.

But, many people from countries outside of the US, who post here, seem to like bashing the US and come off rather trashy. Why is that??? Maybe the successful ones, the ones who can afford vacations are not bitter, jealous, trashy, douch bags, like the ones who post here.
People do not act the same on the internet as they do in person. I know some ridiculously nice people who make me want to throw up with their online craziness. Phone Post
12/29/12 5:02 PM
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

No, the rest of the world thinks Americans are retarded because we let our government run rampant.
So you think the gun ban is a bad idea and to prevent gun related deaths everyone should get a gun because even though its not working now, it will work eventually? Phone Post

Connecticut has a gun ban dipshit, how did that prevent anything?
Shall we ban swimming pools too? You realize kids drown in swimming pools right? Problem is, there is no political agenda with swimming pools.

I was waiting for an idiotic post like this, first page I'm impressed!

If you took all of about 30 seconds to think about why swimming pools are acceptable and guns are not you'd realize how absolutely moronic this argument is.

I've argued gun control so many times and I realize it's a pointless debate. For some reason a certain segment of society simply loves guns. It's not about home protection or hunting or merely collecting; It's a love affair.

The day people stop cherishing firearms is a day we can have an honest, open and mature debate. Until then might as well go to a church and try to convince Sunday mass there is no God.
12/29/12 5:03 PM
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Anyone comes to take my guns they are going to have to take them by force. The constitution gives all Americans the right to own firearms to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. I don't care what some corrupt government or kangaroo court says about it either. If the government wants my guns let them come get them.
12/29/12 5:10 PM
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Here are facts and figures about gun control, no opinions 


lmao at your description. I knew within the first 5 seconds which "no opinion" side this video would take based on the title "TRUE News". My logic being only weak minded people who don't really believe in their own arguments try to overcompensate in other ways. Also lol'ing at the guys "non opionated" smirk when reciting the "anti-gun logic" and the lack of sources for most "facts and figures."

Why the fuck do so few people in this world expect/require valid sources for information in order to immediately believe (let alone to merely consider it, as a scientist would) it?! "Uh dur her, the youtube video told me cuntries without guns have MORE murders, i saws it on the youtube video! i saws it!"
12/29/12 5:20 PM
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Broder - Anyone comes to take my guns they are going to have to take them by force. The constitution gives all Americans the right to own firearms to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. I don't care what some corrupt government or kangaroo court says about it either. If the government wants my guns let them come get them.

Golly, I'm sure you've got the government shaking in their boots, lol.
12/29/12 5:25 PM
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youarewhatiswrong - You're not going to pretend that the United States hasn't provided the bulk of the Western World's military forces, are you? China isn't famous for it's social freedoms, nor was Soviet Russia. I'm not a fan of the military industrial complex, but Europe would be a different place without the United States.

 

They'd all be speaking German or Russian, for example.

 

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I've argued gun control so many times and I realize it's a pointless debate. For some reason a certain segment of society simply loves guns. It's not about home protection or hunting or merely collecting; It's a love affair.

 

It's about a love affair with liberty, and the belief that gov't is the servant of the individual.

 

12/29/12 5:29 PM
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

If it wasn't for America the world would be overrun and ruled by commies and muslims...and you wouldn't even be allowed to post on the internet.

lol wut

What part did you not understand ? You obviously can't argue against it w/ any kind of facts or logic
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Broder - Anyone comes to take my guns they are going to have to take them by force. The constitution gives all Americans the right to own firearms to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. I don't care what some corrupt government or kangaroo court says about it either. If the government wants my guns let them come get them.

No one's coming for your guns. Quick question. Why does any gun legislation automatically have to go to "the gubmint comin ta take muh guns, by god!!!" extreme? Close the gun show loophole? Takin muh guns! 100 round drums maybe not being the best idea for civilian ownership? Takin muh guns! Not being allowed to be hammered in public with a gun (Iowa)? Takin muh guns! I don't get this irrational fear of the government confiscating firearms from people.
12/29/12 5:31 PM
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

If it wasn't for America the world would be overrun and ruled by commies and muslims...and you wouldn't even be allowed to post on the internet.

lol wut

You're not going to pretend that the United States hasn't provided the bulk of the Western World's military forces, are you? China isn't famous for it's social freedoms, nor was Soviet Russia. I'm not a fan of the military industrial complex, but Europe would be a different place without the United States.

Ironically, they wouldn't be the same if not for Soviet Russia, either.

And the US does certainly have the best military of the west. We also fight pointless war after pointless war to justify that military's existence.

And that has nothing to do with anything...America isn't perfect, but it's far better than the alternative.

Fact remains tht if it wasn't for America to keep the commies and muslims in check...the world would be a very dreary place and you wouldn't even be allowed to post on here.
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

If it wasn't for America the world would be overrun and ruled by commies and muslims...and you wouldn't even be allowed to post on the internet.

lol wut

You're not going to pretend that the United States hasn't provided the bulk of the Western World's military forces, are you? China isn't famous for it's social freedoms, nor was Soviet Russia. I'm not a fan of the military industrial complex, but Europe would be a different place without the United States.

Ironically, they wouldn't be the same if not for Soviet Russia, either.

And the US does certainly have the best military of the west. We also fight pointless war after pointless war to justify that military's existence.

And that has nothing to do with anything...America isn't perfect, but it's far better than the alternative.

Fact remains tht if it wasn't for America to keep the commies and muslims in check...the world would be a very dreary place and you wouldn't even be allowed to post on here.

What does "in check" mean?
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Broder - Anyone comes to take my guns they are going to have to take them by force. The constitution gives all Americans the right to own firearms to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. I don't care what some corrupt government or kangaroo court says about it either. If the government wants my guns let them come get them.

No one's coming for your guns. Quick question. Why does any gun legislation automatically have to go to "the gubmint comin ta take muh guns, by god!!!" extreme? Close the gun show loophole? Takin muh guns! 100 round drums maybe not being the best idea for civilian ownership? Takin muh guns! Not being allowed to be hammered in public with a gun (Iowa)? Takin muh guns! I don't get this irrational fear of the government confiscating firearms from people.

 

define gun show loophole.  You can't, it doesn't exist.

 

100 rd magazines are part of a well-regulated militia.  

Being drunk in public is illegal in Iowa.  I know, most of my friends and I have been arrested for it.  Or at least threatened with arrest.  You can carry a concealed handgun in establishments that happen to serve alcohol.  Laws regarding 'brandishing' a firearm are still enforceable.

 

I'm gonna go ahead and roast some marshmallows over the embers of your strawmen, if you don't mind.

12/29/12 6:31 PM
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No matter if you got 4 guns or 44 guns. You only have 2 hands to operate them. (for the most part) Phone Post
12/29/12 6:56 PM
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The main problem I see with having 44 guns is losing track of a few of them. A wealthy doctor where I live (who was an avid gun collector) had a dozen or so guns stolen from his collection by a cleaner and didn't know it until one was used in a crime a year later and the police informed him. If 12 guns can be lifted and he doesn't notice, there is an issue, especially when they make it onto the street.

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PatsBarriesGotKongo -  No matter if you got 4 guns or 44 guns. You only have 2 hands to operate them. (for the most part) Phone Post

sometimes you need to arm the neighborhood.

12/29/12 7:00 PM
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

No, the rest of the world thinks Americans are retarded because we let our government run rampant.

No, we think you are retarded because of the gun thing...among many other issues.  I don't know a single person on my street that owns a gun.  Not even the drug dealers.


owning firearms is not something that you advertise. especially if you are a drug dealer who probably doesnt have a PAL license.

your neighbors own guns, they just know not to bring it up around irrational hoplophobes.

One of my best friends is a dealer, I know him well, and I also know he hates guns with a passion.  I don't hate guns, I have no problem with hunting rifles and the like.  I hunt myself, I keep my gun (singular, I only need one) at my uncles cabin.  I also have a compound bow which is out there.  However, because of the culture I live in, I do not need to have a gun in my house to kill random hobo's who happen to stagger passed in the middle of thie night. 

I pesonally don't have a problem with people owning a few guns if they are responsbible people.  That's the biggest issue in the US.  Noone has any fucking respect for anyone elses life in your country.  There are lots of resposible gun owners sure, but there are tens of thousands of irresponsible ones and that makes having them so prevelant in your society very very dangerous.  Really, what other country on the planet has such a deep gun culture?  The only other groups I can think of are mostly Muslim fundamentalists.


i cancel your friend out.

i live in the city and own a firearm in every available action uncluding semi auto-matic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and scary black furniture.

i lock everything up in my gun safe and the restricted guns have trigger locks. the ammunition is locked up seperately and there is no way i would even be able to retrieve a gun and load it in a self defence situation.
12/29/12 7:05 PM
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I'm sure even the biggest gun haters can realize that simply "taking away the guns" is a terrible idea.

Basically every law-abiding citizen who registers their weapons and lives within the laws of society will lose their ability to defend themselves.

Obviously the people who are robbing convenience stores and doing home invasions aren't using weapons that are registered in their names, and they certainly won't be playing good samaritan and taking their hot .38 special (serial numbers filed off) down to the police station to be "properly disposed of".

The war on drugs has wreaked havoc on our country and cost countless lives and and an immeasurable amount of taxpayer dollars. A war on guns has the potential to be much worse.

The scary part is the government has made so much off of the war on drugs that another bigger, better way to siphon our money might be just what they want.

In short, if you're a smart, hard-working person who values their lives and property, and cares about those around them, you may want to consider buying a couple of unregistered weapons :)

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