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12/29/12 6:59 PM
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PatsBarriesGotKongo -  No matter if you got 4 guns or 44 guns. You only have 2 hands to operate them. (for the most part) Phone Post

sometimes you need to arm the neighborhood.

12/29/12 7:00 PM
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

No, the rest of the world thinks Americans are retarded because we let our government run rampant.

No, we think you are retarded because of the gun thing...among many other issues.  I don't know a single person on my street that owns a gun.  Not even the drug dealers.


owning firearms is not something that you advertise. especially if you are a drug dealer who probably doesnt have a PAL license.

your neighbors own guns, they just know not to bring it up around irrational hoplophobes.

One of my best friends is a dealer, I know him well, and I also know he hates guns with a passion.  I don't hate guns, I have no problem with hunting rifles and the like.  I hunt myself, I keep my gun (singular, I only need one) at my uncles cabin.  I also have a compound bow which is out there.  However, because of the culture I live in, I do not need to have a gun in my house to kill random hobo's who happen to stagger passed in the middle of thie night. 

I pesonally don't have a problem with people owning a few guns if they are responsbible people.  That's the biggest issue in the US.  Noone has any fucking respect for anyone elses life in your country.  There are lots of resposible gun owners sure, but there are tens of thousands of irresponsible ones and that makes having them so prevelant in your society very very dangerous.  Really, what other country on the planet has such a deep gun culture?  The only other groups I can think of are mostly Muslim fundamentalists.


i cancel your friend out.

i live in the city and own a firearm in every available action uncluding semi auto-matic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and scary black furniture.

i lock everything up in my gun safe and the restricted guns have trigger locks. the ammunition is locked up seperately and there is no way i would even be able to retrieve a gun and load it in a self defence situation.
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I'm sure even the biggest gun haters can realize that simply "taking away the guns" is a terrible idea.

Basically every law-abiding citizen who registers their weapons and lives within the laws of society will lose their ability to defend themselves.

Obviously the people who are robbing convenience stores and doing home invasions aren't using weapons that are registered in their names, and they certainly won't be playing good samaritan and taking their hot .38 special (serial numbers filed off) down to the police station to be "properly disposed of".

The war on drugs has wreaked havoc on our country and cost countless lives and and an immeasurable amount of taxpayer dollars. A war on guns has the potential to be much worse.

The scary part is the government has made so much off of the war on drugs that another bigger, better way to siphon our money might be just what they want.

In short, if you're a smart, hard-working person who values their lives and property, and cares about those around them, you may want to consider buying a couple of unregistered weapons :)
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I love the whole drugs gangland culture goverment can oppress us more argument

Its as if americans genuinly believe other countrys dont have any drug problem, dont have any organised criminals and doesnt have goverments...... Phone Post
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

Because we wont let our government disarm us so they can do whatever the fuck they want?
Thats right, because genocide has never happened or never been attempted. Those tall tales (fictional obviously) of Jews and Rwandans killed were not preempted by a massive disarmament.

The first amendment protects us from the government.
The eighth amendment protects us from the government.
I think you are seeing a trend here...but if not the 2nd amendment is also to protect us from the government.

If you find the Constitution so objectionable, maybe you should pack up.

You're foolish.

How's this for a deal, Canada will trade you Alberta + all of our religious right wing gun lovers.  All we want in return is all of your athiests.


Deal. But they must stay in California or New York.

So, you basically just agreed to a deal for Canada's prison population for the American scientific community.   Bravo sir.


so your plan is to trade away the only province that is actually turning a profit and not a 'have not', sucking equalization money down the drain?

those right wing rednecks keep your streetlights on and your roads paved, son. try to learn how to stand on your own two feet before you give away the goose that layed the golden egg.

I mostly meant the people, but sure, if you want the whole province sure.  You think Alberta is the only place in Canada with a ton of natural resources?  Saskatchewan has just as much oil it hasn't been touched yet, not to mention a new huge uranium mine going there in the next decade.

 

And plus, with that trade I offered, I'm pretty sure Canada would do ok, seeing as we'd have most of the worlds top scientists at that point (including getting our own best back that your government paid a shit ton to pull out of Canada)


so your plan is to bank on non-existant equalization payment cheques from a province not providing them?

heres a concept..try standing on your own two feet for a change instead of showing up at another province 'cap in hand'.

im pretty sure saskatchewan would leave with alberta as opposed to sticking with ottawa. there are a lot of people working in alberta from saskatchewan right now and they have more in common with a redneck from red deer than a douche-bag banker from bay street.
12/29/12 7:13 PM
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

If it wasn't for America the world would be overrun and ruled by commies and muslims...and you wouldn't even be allowed to post on the internet.

lol wut

What part did you not understand ? You obviously can't argue against it w/ any kind of facts or logic

Ok, please explain to me how the world would be "overrun with muslims" if not for us, please.
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Broder - Anyone comes to take my guns they are going to have to take them by force. The constitution gives all Americans the right to own firearms to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. I don't care what some corrupt government or kangaroo court says about it either. If the government wants my guns let them come get them.

No one's coming for your guns. Quick question. Why does any gun legislation automatically have to go to "the gubmint comin ta take muh guns, by god!!!" extreme? Close the gun show loophole? Takin muh guns! 100 round drums maybe not being the best idea for civilian ownership? Takin muh guns! Not being allowed to be hammered in public with a gun (Iowa)? Takin muh guns! I don't get this irrational fear of the government confiscating firearms from people.

 

define gun show loophole.  You can't, it doesn't exist.

 

100 rd magazines are part of a well-regulated militia.  

Being drunk in public is illegal in Iowa.  I know, most of my friends and I have been arrested for it.  Or at least threatened with arrest.  You can carry a concealed handgun in establishments that happen to serve alcohol.  Laws regarding 'brandishing' a firearm are still enforceable.

 

I'm gonna go ahead and roast some marshmallows over the embers of your strawmen, if you don't mind.


The loophole is that a felon can go to a gunshow and buy a weapon without a backround check. Only licensed dealers are required to do a backround check.

Show me where in the 2nd Amendment does it state what you just wrote. It doesn't.

You might want to look up what a strawman argument is because I don't think you really grasp the concept. You wrote a ridiculous Dirty Harry sounding post about fighting the evil government. I asked why people like yourself have such a visceral fear of the government taking your guns. Either you can articulate that or you can't.
12/29/12 8:02 PM
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Why?

Because they do.  Like after Hurricane Katrina.

The 'loophole' doesn't have anything to do with gun shows.  If a business sells a firearm, they have to do a background check - even if it's at a gun show.  If someone buys a weapon in a person-person sale, there is no requirement, gun show or not.  So what's the 'gun show' loophole?  

It's a rhetorical question, there is no variance in the law for gun shows.

 

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only 26000 ?  that's not so bad.  I thought it was much higher.  carry on.

32,000 died in auto accidents, and over 500,000 of heart disease, why does no one wage war on cars and fast food? Phone Post

There actually are laws passed regarding automobiles to try to make them safer, all the time. The industry is heavily regulated.

Of course we NEED cars for our society to function. Fast food is a moot point. The only people dying from fast food are killing themselve voluntarily, which is a bit different from murdering someone else, or many someone elses.
You simply can't "ban" criminally insane people bent on doing horrible things... Phone Post
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only 26000 ?  that's not so bad.  I thought it was much higher.  carry on.

32,000 died in auto accidents, and over 500,000 of heart disease, why does no one wage war on cars and fast food? Phone Post
More people have cars and hearts than guns. A stats thing really. Phone Post
12/29/12 10:26 PM
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PatsBarriesGotKongo -  No matter if you got 4 guns or 44 guns. You only have 2 hands to operate them. (for the most part) Phone Post

sometimes you need to arm the neighborhood.

Thinking ahead. Nice. Just don't give one to little timmay Phone Post
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Thatsjustlikeyouropinionman - Who needs 44 guns? Phone Post
A guy with 43 guns Phone Post
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only 26000 ?  that's not so bad.  I thought it was much higher.  carry on.

32,000 died in auto accidents, and over 500,000 of heart disease, why does no one wage war on cars and fast food? Phone Post
More people have cars and hearts than guns. A stats thing really. Phone Post

There's ~ 200M licensed drivers in the US, and about ~150M people with a firearm in the home.

So statistically, firearms are no more dangerous than automobiles.  Even less when you consider that it's a very small percentage of firearm owners who are responsible for the overwhelming majority of firearm deaths.  Also, there are almost no instances of automobile death where the automobile was being used to protect an innocent  life from a criminal.

12/30/12 2:40 AM
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HectorOfTroy - Also, could someone please point me out to a news article which talks about how American right to carry guns actually prevented a massacre like Columbine or this latest one?

Since this is a main argument of pro-gun people I don't want to be reading only 'pro-hippy/communist/articles' which talk about how a person takes a gun and shoots dozens of unarmed innocents.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/media-quiet-about-san-antonio-theater-shooting-2524596.html

Since you asked I was happy to oblige to your request. Phone Post
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how bout eliminating the income tax and the fractional reserve monetary system so both parents and older siblings dont have to be a slave to the system?...  how about giving preference to the family structure and community structure that has worked so well for thousands of years?

how bout instead of focusing on guns we get rid of the synthetic drugs being pumped into the population?

that doesnt fit the socialist agenda...  Govt needs to replace the family.  You need to serve and depend on the govt.

Getting rid of Guns?  yep... that's good for the govt.  getting rid of the dumbing down of society? not so good for the govt...


Really...

Are you blaming the shooting on synthetic drugs. The exact same incident happened on a school in china,with the small detail that the crazy person had a KNIFE instead of an assault rife....result 22 wounded (serious case...).

 

I can understand that gun culture in the States is a part of the society. But if you believe that not having a ban on automatic rifles has nothing to do with all the deaths the United States still has then you are absolutely fucking bonkers.

 

It has nothing to do with the break down of the family or the uptake of drugs. Those are all serious problems but those a problems that developed economics all over the world have. The biggest difference between the United States and all the other G 20 countries is the gun laws.

 

And if you think that you can have a functioning modern economy without income tax or a reserve monetairy system then you clearly missed your economics classes.

 

I appreciate gun owners who want to have a serious debate about gun ownership. I do believe it is possible to allow gun ownership,with certain restrictions, and still dramatically drop the gun related violence in the United States.

 

But please stop with the loony talk because it frankly insulting to me and more importantly to yourself. Calling yourself logical while actually writing this silly talk down.

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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

No, the rest of the world thinks Americans are retarded because we let our government run rampant.

As a person who is a resident of ''the rest of the world'' and who has a great appreciation for the United States,the position it holds into the world and the ideals is it stands for i strongly have to disagree.

 

We do not think you have to much goverment or that it runs rampant. We think it does not run at all because you have to parties that cannot agree on anything. We think you are retarted because one party replaced all its sane members with loonies. And we do think you are retarded for pandering to organisations like the NRA and actually giving people to option to buy assault rifles in stores,with little or no background checks and no real effective system to controle there futher distribution. We think american are retarded because some people blame videogames or Hollywood movies (we all play and watch those as well) instead of unrestricted gun ownership

 

If you want the right to bear arms,fine. But restrict the fuck out of it (like the dear old forefathers did) because otherwise incidents like the endless shooting will just keep repeating themselves over and over again.

 

Simply fact,attack by a fucking crazy person in China 22 wounded, attack by a crazy person in the United States more then 22 killed. Difference, in China the have to ''resort'' to knifes, in American everybody has acces to a gun without to much trouble.

 

I love America. But sometimes it seems that all sanity has left parts of their population.

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RentedMule - I'm sure even the biggest gun haters can realize that simply "taking away the guns" is a terrible idea.

Basically every law-abiding citizen who registers their weapons and lives within the laws of society will lose their ability to defend themselves.

Obviously the people who are robbing convenience stores and doing home invasions aren't using weapons that are registered in their names, and they certainly won't be playing good samaritan and taking their hot .38 special (serial numbers filed off) down to the police station to be "properly disposed of".

The war on drugs has wreaked havoc on our country and cost countless lives and and an immeasurable amount of taxpayer dollars. A war on guns has the potential to be much worse.

The scary part is the government has made so much off of the war on drugs that another bigger, better way to siphon our money might be just what they want.

In short, if you're a smart, hard-working person who values their lives and property, and cares about those around them, you may want to consider buying a couple of unregistered weapons :)
Didn't that psycho kid use his mums registered semi-auto rifle?

If she'd only been allowed to have a sensible pistol for defending her home (arguable IMO if even THAT would be necessary with tighter gun laws) then he may of only been able to shoot 4 or 5 children. Phone Post
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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

If it wasn't for America the world would be overrun and ruled by commies and muslims...and you wouldn't even be allowed to post on the internet.

lol wut

What part did you not understand ? You obviously can't argue against it w/ any kind of facts or logic

While i appreciate the geopolitical role the United States currently plays if have to say, are you fucking joking?

 

Do you think that the Chinese are going to invade ever country in the world in America does not counterbalance there power anymore. Do you even know anything about the history of China as a nation or even China as a communist republic?

 

And the world is going to get overrun by muslims. Which ones, the ones in Afghanistan plotting mayhem in there cave like dwellings. Or the ones who are currently enjoying the highlife in cities like London and Paris with their oil money?

 

And you know that Communist really do not exsist anymore in the strict sense of the word. Real Communisme did with the death of the Sovjet Union. China is a authoritarian capitalist nation for all intends and purposes. Just like it was a authoritarian capitalist nation for thousand and thousand of years before the rise of Communisme in that part of the world.

 

And wtf does any of this have to do with the restriction of gunownership. You think that if you ban the unrestricted sale of assault rifles to American civilians the ''commies and muslims'' will take over.

 

 

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RentedMule - I'm sure even the biggest gun haters can realize that simply "taking away the guns" is a terrible idea.

Basically every law-abiding citizen who registers their weapons and lives within the laws of society will lose their ability to defend themselves.

Obviously the people who are robbing convenience stores and doing home invasions aren't using weapons that are registered in their names, and they certainly won't be playing good samaritan and taking their hot .38 special (serial numbers filed off) down to the police station to be "properly disposed of".

The war on drugs has wreaked havoc on our country and cost countless lives and and an immeasurable amount of taxpayer dollars. A war on guns has the potential to be much worse.

The scary part is the government has made so much off of the war on drugs that another bigger, better way to siphon our money might be just what they want.

In short, if you're a smart, hard-working person who values their lives and property, and cares about those around them, you may want to consider buying a couple of unregistered weapons :)

While i agree that it is simply impossible to ban guns in America your argument makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

The reason for this is that nothing remotely similar has ever happened in other G-20 countries. Nowhere in the world are there currently heaps of unregistered weapons hold up with regular sane families because the goverment does not allow them to have guns.

 

So is you argument that nobody is all the other G -20 countries is sane. Or is it that well darn gosh us American are simply a different kind of folk. We do not look kindly on criminals and truely value our lives and property (unlike  all the other citizens of the civilized world) hence a ''war'' on guns would be a disaster.

 

You can defend yourself just fine with a handgun,take is licenced. You do not need automatic assault rifles to protect yourself unless you are either a drug dealer or have pissed of some organized crime elements.

 

Anyways america will never learn, tragic events  like the recent school shooting will keep happening and in the end people will try to blame video games or Hollywood.

 

Reason America has the highest prison population of any G-20 country,irrational fear of drugs that lead to a war on drugs.

 

Reason why america has the highest murder and gun related death rate among G-20  countries,irrational fear of crime and lack of stricter gun ownership laws.

 

Its sad to see a nation that is so scared of some imaginary enemy that they end up shooting themselves figurative in their own foot.

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RentedMule - I'm sure even the biggest gun haters can realize that simply "taking away the guns" is a terrible idea.

Basically every law-abiding citizen who registers their weapons and lives within the laws of society will lose their ability to defend themselves.

Obviously the people who are robbing convenience stores and doing home invasions aren't using weapons that are registered in their names, and they certainly won't be playing good samaritan and taking their hot .38 special (serial numbers filed off) down to the police station to be "properly disposed of".

The war on drugs has wreaked havoc on our country and cost countless lives and and an immeasurable amount of taxpayer dollars. A war on guns has the potential to be much worse.

The scary part is the government has made so much off of the war on drugs that another bigger, better way to siphon our money might be just what they want.

In short, if you're a smart, hard-working person who values their lives and property, and cares about those around them, you may want to consider buying a couple of unregistered weapons :)
Didn't that psycho kid use his mums registered semi-auto rifle?

If she'd only been allowed to have a sensible pistol for defending her home (arguable IMO if even THAT would be necessary with tighter gun laws) then he may of only been able to shoot 4 or 5 children. Phone Post

Finally a comment that actually makes some sense.

 

You will never be able to ban guns in America (at least not in certain States). I do not see that being a problem. I personal respect the fact that people want to feel safe,shoot for sport or hunt.

 

But how is it possible that banning semi automatic weapons (why the hell would you need those as a normal citizen) is such a uphill battle.

 

There is no sane debate possible because the loonies are once again hijacking the debate. Feels my soul with dread.

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GaryColeman -  This is why the rest of the world think Americans are retarded. Phone Post

Because we wont let our government disarm us so they can do whatever the fuck they want?
Thats right, because genocide has never happened or never been attempted. Those tall tales (fictional obviously) of Jews and Rwandans killed were not preempted by a massive disarmament.

The first amendment protects us from the government.
The eighth amendment protects us from the government.
I think you are seeing a trend here...but if not the 2nd amendment is also to protect us from the government.

If you find the Constitution so objectionable, maybe you should pack up.

You're foolish.
Pretty much all european countrys the citizens dont have guns

Hell in britian even most police officers dont have guns

We havnt descended into anarchy or genocide and our gun fatality rate is MAGNITUDES lower than USA. USA has the highest gun crime and gun deaths per head than any other first world country MANY TIMES OVER yet they think the rest of the world is wrong about guns and they are right


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Yup, instead you had 2 world wars, 100 million dead between the 2, Half of Europe was communist at 1 point or another all because why? Your populace had no way in DEFENDING ITSELF AGAINST TYRANTS. Study a little european history, you might figure out WHY Politicians disarm their populace first before become tyrants.

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I like when people from countries the size of our smallest state think they know how to do thinks in a country with borders our size and over 300 million people.

Maybe we should ban guns, like in China - and maybe we should allow our government to force us into workshops for $1 a day and make little toys for other countries to buy?

Maybe people don't understand the concept of what freedom is?

Over the last 100 years more and more of our freedoms have been stripped in the US, taxes have tripled - and so we go down hill, and people want to place blame wherever they can.

But all of you people who have tiny little countries keep on telling us "retarded Americans" how we should do things - because obviously you know whats best, in your tiny little corner of the world.
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Because we wont let our government disarm us so they can do whatever the fuck they want?
Thats right, because genocide has never happened or never been attempted. Those tall tales (fictional obviously) of Jews and Rwandans killed were not preempted by a massive disarmament.

The first amendment protects us from the government.
The eighth amendment protects us from the government.
I think you are seeing a trend here...but if not the 2nd amendment is also to protect us from the government.

If you find the Constitution so objectionable, maybe you should pack up.

You're foolish.
Pretty much all european countrys the citizens dont have guns

Hell in britian even most police officers dont have guns

We havnt descended into anarchy or genocide and our gun fatality rate is MAGNITUDES lower than USA. USA has the highest gun crime and gun deaths per head than any other first world country MANY TIMES OVER yet they think the rest of the world is wrong about guns and they are right


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Yup, instead you had 2 world wars, 100 million dead between the 2, Half of Europe was communist at 1 point or another all because why? Your populace had no way in DEFENDING ITSELF AGAINST TYRANTS. Study a little european history, you might figure out WHY Politicians disarm their populace first before become tyrants.


Studie history?

 

Are you actually trying to claim that the first and second world war happened because we did not have loose personal gun ownership laws?

 

Clearly you are studying ficticious history. European countries really started to truly ''disarm'' there populations within the modern era. This is frankly the time where gun related crime figures of Europe slunk tremendously..

 

Your logic is also faulty because A) America had the civil war. Gun ownership laws did not prevent that war did it B) The first and second war where perpetrated mainly by nations who refered both martial tradition and the gun ownership that follows from this tradition.

 

Put these points are really moot for the current debate about gun ownership. The simple facts are the none of the G-20 country have such high incidents of gun related deaths. None of these developed economies have such lose gun ownership laws either.

 

And if you think the main reason the President of the United States,Congress or the Senate won't turn into Tyrants is because you have the right to buy a semi automatic weapons your frankly and very dangerous and feebleminded person who should really read up on what America stands for and why it has held such a preeminent position in the modern day world.

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and in general people in Canada don't have the first clue about the US - when it comes to crime, when it comes to guns, when it comes to healthcare.

There are so many worthless, unwilling to work, unmotivated people living off the government T*T - illegal non-tax paying immigrants who expect and demand to be educated and healthcare-paid for free.

You can be thankful for systems you have in place, without being so naive as to think it will work everywhere.


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