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12/29/12 9:12 AM
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Werdum doesn't fight Big Nog until June 2013, even if he wins, he won't be fighting again until the fall 2013.  There is room for Overeem before then.

12/29/12 10:09 AM
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This probably means Overeem will lose his next fight, talk tons of crap and still get the title shot while Werduum "doesn't want the title shot and wouldn't step up to fight JDS, Reem is the only one who would." Phone Post
12/29/12 11:24 AM
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12/29/12 12:13 PM
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what would sakuraba do - Goddammit. So, after cain, jds gets another fucking grappler? One he already kod? Why has dana spoon fed this mfer for so long? Jesus christ. Fuck. Shit man. God.

So, do you really consider Shane Carwin a grappler? When has he ever grappled in MMA? All I have ever seen him do is stand and bang with everybody. I know he was a D2 champ in wrestling, but he hasn't used it in MMA. He is basically a boxer. Roy is nothing but a stand and wanger at this point as well.
12/29/12 12:32 PM
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JDS will knock the

off his face

12/29/12 2:38 PM
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Toquinho -  Werdum will prob buttscoot again when facing The Reem 4 the title. Phone Post

judging by your join date of 2011 maybe you missed the reem vs werdum part 1.  How did that fight end again?

12/29/12 2:44 PM
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Toquinho -  Werdum will prob buttscoot again when facing The Reem 4 the title. Phone Post

judging by your join date of 2011 maybe you missed the reem vs werdum part 1.  How did that fight end again?

 

true but if there has ever an argument for a fighter evolving into basically another person it would be the Reem...

 

Your point that Werdum could sub anyone I agree with...Werdum subbing anyone would not shock me...

What shocks the hell out of me is how Werdum's striking has improved... I think if he would have stood with Reem in there last fight he could have won or come damn close...

 

 

12/29/12 3:05 PM
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I think Cormier will go to LHW

Too bad he can't. As in cant physically make the weight cut required. Phone Post

yes he can clean up his diet, eat right and lose fat! but he can't cut water from 238 to 205 lbs, of course he'd get sick.
12/29/12 3:11 PM
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what would sakuraba do - Goddammit. So, after cain, jds gets another fucking grappler? One he already kod? Why has dana spoon fed this mfer for so long? Jesus christ. Fuck. Shit man. God.

So, do you really consider Shane Carwin a grappler? When has he ever grappled in MMA? All I have ever seen him do is stand and bang with everybody. I know he was a D2 champ in wrestling, but he hasn't used it in MMA. He is basically a boxer. Roy is nothing but a stand and wanger at this point as well.

no no, Dana protects him, the raging internet fanboy said so.

 

Paper champ paper champ!

12/29/12 3:18 PM
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what would sakuraba do - Goddammit. So, after cain, jds gets another fucking grappler? One he already kod? Why has dana spoon fed this mfer for so long? Jesus christ. Fuck. Shit man. God.

So, do you really consider Shane Carwin a grappler? When has he ever grappled in MMA? All I have ever seen him do is stand and bang with everybody. I know he was a D2 champ in wrestling, but he hasn't used it in MMA. He is basically a boxer. Roy is nothing but a stand and wanger at this point as well.

no no, Dana protects him, the raging internet fanboy said so.

 

Paper champ paper champ!


So is johny hendricks a stand and wanger since he hasn't showcased his grappling that often? your points make no sense...
12/29/12 3:27 PM
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Tru.. Join date of this name is 11 yes.
Anyway, seen ur interviews, you r biased.

Werdum no chance Phone Post
12/29/12 3:29 PM
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I also do not see werdum give problems to jds, cain or cormier.

I would like to see werdum vs struve or mir Phone Post
12/29/12 4:48 PM
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iCameiLostiRetiredDiaz - Anytime someone beats Nog they get a title shot. But yet if Nog beats someone he never gets a title shot Phone Post
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12/30/12 2:35 AM
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Never like to see Brazilians fight each other but i am glad one of them are getting a shot soon.
12/30/12 3:39 AM
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Would be worst, and most boring HW title ever. Reem must get his chance.
12/30/12 4:12 AM
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Toquinho - Tru.. Join date of this name is 11 yes.
Anyway, seen ur interviews, you r biased.

Werdum no chance Phone Post
Werdum can sub him off his back. It would be a strikers match Phone Post
12/30/12 4:47 AM
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Werdum's ground game is solid and he is capable of protecting himself down there, but based on what I saw from Cain tonight with his preparation and movement on his feet I don't see Werdum getting past 2 rounds with Cain before being KO'd. Werdum would be an easy fight for Cain to prepare and train for, especially because Werdum's boxing is about as poor fundamentally as JDS's boxing going into this fight. Werdum has too many flaws on his feet and he would need a lot of improvement in order to fix those prior to the fight. Cain could just pressure him and not even wrestle with him, just clinch him and wear him down in the pocket. Cain's trainers would have a lot of solid strategies for Werdum just on the feet alone based on what I saw tonight from their preparation for JDS.

If Cain were to fight Overeem, Overeem would get smashed in the first round easily. Overeem doesn't have nearly the amount of heart, ground game, and chin that JDS had tonight, and Overeem would not be able to accommodate for Cain's ability to counter and get inside on him. Cain would get to him easily, as would anyone with boxing fundamentals and movement, which Cain showed tonight. Reem would be in trouble very very early and would have no answer for Cain's conditioning, ground game, and pressure up close. Cain knows how to bang up close and get close quickly. Reem and Werdum don't have the movement and defense to avoid Cain getting inside the pocket and opening up. Both guys are like JDS, very one-dimensional because they have to strike from a point of distance and balance, and they don't throw the volume or angles with speed they would need to be effective against Cain once he's bridged the gap. Their height and their reach and their power has always been a weapon for them but without those things neither Werdum nor Reem have shown any real boxing versatility. Both guys would tire and wilt early. Werdum would have a better chance because he has a useful guard and is crafty.

In order to beat Cain these two are going to have to become more athletic and efficient and not allow him to exploit their weaknesses on the feet, which is impossible for either of them to do unless they address them early and get coaches who are as good as whoever trained Cain's hands for this fight tonight.

Reem would get owned in the first round and it would look like what happened with Lesnar once the leg kicks and posturing are over and Cain gets inside on him.

Werdum would be out in the 1st or 2nd, and would only make the 3rd by running or by pulling guard and hanging on for dear life in a scramble. If Werdum got on top of Cain he would have to hold him down but Cain would eventually get back up and Werdum would be vulnerable again. He wouldn't be able to submit Cain and he would not be knocking Cain out on the feet. After the 1st round Werdum and Reem's punching abilty, power, and any speed they have would be gone. Neither would be putting together combinations or any effective foot movement and defensive speed on the feet. If either of them connected after their initially being worn down, Cain's chin is good enough that he'd be able to take it and keep pressuring.

I don't see Cain losing again for a very long time.

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