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A few guys at his gym have called him out on matters publicly.

Beginning to think he's not very popular amongst his peers Phone Post
1/2/13 7:02 PM
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Fighters aren't allowed to weigh their circumstances from the point of view of making a living, investing in the future, and maximizing the value of the present like normal people.

The "professional" part of "professional fighter" is an invisible prefix for most people, who conceive fighters from the Roman emperor's POV. Fighters are expected to adhere to the "fight when you're told to" equation while upholding a TUF-spastic "anyone anytime anywhere" identity for good measure.

Failing to conform to that template suddenly makes the fighter a thinker, and as we all know, fighters shouldn't be thinking!

It's un-fighter-like to have a leverage calculator in your mind, one that protects your future. It's apparently also against the warrior spirit to insist on preparation, even though fights are announced months in advance.

Why is MMA called a "profession" or career in the first place? Isn't preparation a virtue of professionalism, and isn't performance mainly the result of it?

Comments from guys like Cerrone just indicate how hard it is to take their own profession seriously. As a result, their identity revolves around being a "fighter" who just lives to throw down. Well, if you choose MMA as a profession, you have no choice but to have that attitude or a similar one, since you won't have anything to show for your mangled face any time soon.

Really, we can't blame Cerrone for this attitude for just those reasons. It's just a shame that very few fighters reach the point where they have to make decisions about the greater of two goods, instead of the lesser of two evils.
1/2/13 7:06 PM
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thatsme - So how'd this conversation go again:

Cowboy: Hey you, Jon. Hi Y'all doin'. You all should've fought ole Sonnen boy over yonder.

Jones: Uhm, you don't make a million dollars each fight.

Cowboy: Urp! Nope Ah don't, but ah fight my ass off when ah do.

Jones: uh huh. Where are you ranked now?

Cowboy: Now ya'll just listen here...

Jones: That's what I thought.
I bet this sounded hilarious in your head. Phone Post
1/2/13 7:10 PM
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KZTT_W85 -  A few guys at his gym have called him out on matters publicly.

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besides cerrone, which teammates have said something? please show me sources as well.

1/2/13 7:14 PM
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KZTT_W85 -  A few guys at his gym have called him out on matters publicly.

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besides cerrone, which teammates have said something? please show me sources as well.

I'm not great at twitter and stuff, if I'm wrong I'm more than prepared to wear it.

I know Diego 100% had some negative comments to say about him also.

As I said im not trolling I'm sure a few guys have made comments. If I'm wrong, which I don't think I am then I'm prepared to wear that Phone Post
1/2/13 7:17 PM
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Tru -

nhb/ufc used to be about fights.  now mma is a sport with pro athletes and its about money and a sport.

 

whjy is anyone suprised about jones' comments.  He is probably one of the best athletes I have ever seen in my life; but he is not a "fighter" IMO.  flame me, vote me down, i dont care..he is the lebron james of mma, more athletic and bigger/longer than anyone else.  not even fun to watch sometimes.

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1/2/13 7:20 PM
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STAKES ARE MUCH HIGHTER FOR JJ.

he has much more to lose. not accepting the chael fight, which i am sure he'd have won, was because of his strategy. he game plans for a specific opponent, and its a huge thing for him. it works, so i wont complain about it.

cowboy may have beat diaz if he had game planned carefully and stuck to it during the fight. it probably woulda earned him a title shot too....

1/2/13 7:21 PM
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JJ is not intimidated by Chael. He took the advice of his coaches. And, they haven't steered him wrong. They've earned the benefit of the doubt, and JJ is probably smart to defer to their judgment.

I'm a fan of JJ and Chael, and yes Chael is probably going to get his butt kicked. But, Chael deserves respect too, for being a small fighter willing to fight JJ on short notice. People conveniently forget that everybody else ran out their back door with their cell turned off and hid in the bushes when Dana White was trying to find somebody to fill in for DH.
1/2/13 7:31 PM
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"besides cerrone, which teammates have said something? please show me sources as well."

Good point, and also I'm wondering which MMA champions have talked crap about Jones' decision. As far as I know, nobody who gets a PPV cut from their fights criticized him. I don't even think anybody who regularly gets 6-figures did, champ or not.
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KZTT_W85 -  A few guys at his gym have called him out on matters publicly.

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besides cerrone, which teammates have said something? please show me sources as well.


Diego's the only other one that I'd heard saying anything about Jones. He said also said that Jones should have fought Chael on short notice.

 

Like I wrote in the other thread. If the fact that Jones didn't take the fight offends their sensibilities so much, why are they still with Jackson/Winkeljohn? It was the coaching staff that advised Jones not to fight Sonnen.

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WoodenPupa - "besides cerrone, which teammates have said something? please show me sources as well."

Good point, and also I'm wondering which MMA champions have talked crap about Jones' decision. As far as I know, nobody who gets a PPV cut from their fights criticized him. I don't even think anybody who regularly gets 6-figures did, champ or not.

 

Edgar said that he would have taken the fight. That was after he lost his belt.

 

GSP said that he would have taken the fight, which I don't believe for a second. GSP has shown that he does things at his pace and won't get forced into doing something he doesn't want to if it's against his best interest.

Henderson defended Jones.

Anderson said that it was Jones' choice.

I don't remember the other guys who were champs at the time commenting. 

1/2/13 7:35 PM
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WoodenPupa - "besides cerrone, which teammates have said something? please show me sources as well."

Good point, and also I'm wondering which MMA champions have talked crap about Jones' decision. As far as I know, nobody who gets a PPV cut from their fights criticized him. I don't even think anybody who regularly gets 6-figures did, champ or not.

Talk crap? No. Criticize? Not really. But a champ did offer to fight on 8 days notice to save that card. Even offered to fight at a weight class above his. He gets 6 figures and a PPV cut.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/8299773/anderson-silva-offered-fight-salvage-ufc-151-manager-ed-soares-says

1/2/13 7:42 PM
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so jones headlines a 35 million $  event and only makes a million. he better pick his fights.

1/2/13 7:46 PM
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Bailx -

I hope Cerrone gets his title shot, not sure if Benson will lose anytime soon, but I like that he can challenge his teammate, in what seems like a respectful way.

I can see why Jones didn't take that fight, but I still think that he should have. "The Champ" should mean you never back down from a fight... ever.

(a young) Bas Rutten would have taken the fight, I know that much. The old days we had real fighters...who were fighting and not even getting paid much, if at all.... and now we have a sport... I guess we just have to deal with that. Jones played it smart perhaps, but he didn't gain any new fans from his decision, and the fallout for the UFC was disasterous with the cancelled event...

I can't tell if you're thinking Cerrone and Bendo are teammates, or if I'm misreading this...

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1/2/13 7:57 PM
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Wouldn't making a million to fight actually be incentive to take the fight?
1/2/13 8:03 PM
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nhb/ufc used to be about fights.  now mma is a sport with pro athletes and its about money and a sport.

 

whjy is anyone suprised about jones' comments.  He is probably one of the best athletes I have ever seen in my life; but he is not a "fighter" IMO.  flame me, vote me down, i dont care..he is the lebron james of mma, more athletic and bigger/longer than anyone else.  not even fun to watch sometimes.


Im as old school as anyone here, I miss Pride but not everything about it. NHB/UFC also used to have guys who couldnt "figt" very well and came in out of shape and under-prepared.

Jones comes to "fight" every time. Just because he's not willing to risk a big set back in his career in a nothing to gain/everything to lose scenario on short notice doesnt mean he's not a "fighter." He's had one of the very best list of opposition of out any fighter over the last 2 years and been one of the most active of the champs/top fighters.

Are Machida and Shogun also not "fighters" since they turned Jones down on short notice?

There is nothing "not fighter'ish" about wanting proper time to prepare for your opponent so you will be fully prepared to "fight" come event time.

And Im super tired of the "more athletic and bigger/longer than anyone else" thing. It is dam fun to watch some as creative and as good as Jones in every facet of the game and to continue finishing guys. We've seen plenty of bigger and longer guys never come close to developing the game and that Jones has.
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1/2/13 8:15 PM
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The Labron James of mma? More like wilt chamberlain of the sport. The Labron hasn't even been born yet and the Michael Jordan is in diapers. There's a lot of evolution to take place to compare the pro athletes of the UFC to the pro athletes of the nba. Phone Post
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WoodenPupa - Fighters aren't allowed to weigh their circumstances from the point of view of making a living, investing in the future, and maximizing the value of the present like normal people.

The "professional" part of "professional fighter" is an invisible prefix for most people, who conceive fighters from the Roman emperor's POV. Fighters are expected to adhere to the "fight when you're told to" equation while upholding a TUF-spastic "anyone anytime anywhere" identity for good measure.

Failing to conform to that template suddenly makes the fighter a thinker, and as we all know, fighters shouldn't be thinking!

It's un-fighter-like to have a leverage calculator in your mind, one that protects your future. It's apparently also against the warrior spirit to insist on preparation, even though fights are announced months in advance.

Why is MMA called a "profession" or career in the first place? Isn't preparation a virtue of professionalism, and isn't performance mainly the result of it?

Comments from guys like Cerrone just indicate how hard it is to take their own profession seriously. As a result, their identity revolves around being a "fighter" who just lives to throw down. Well, if you choose MMA as a profession, you have no choice but to have that attitude or a similar one, since you won't have anything to show for your mangled face any time soon.

Really, we can't blame Cerrone for this attitude for just those reasons. It's just a shame that very few fighters reach the point where they have to make decisions about the greater of two goods, instead of the lesser of two evils.
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1/2/13 8:28 PM
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I'm still tripping off Tru's statement about Jon Jones. How the fuck could anyone in this world with eyes not consider Jon Jones a fighter?


Tru I like what you do but you're way off on that one. Jon Jones isn't only the best athlete, he's the best "fighter" in the world, regardless if he turned down the fight with the 37-yr-old roiding lay-n-pray journeyman middleweight. Now, he signed on to fight him and that still isn't good enough for you? Wow.


What the fuck is happening in this world today
1/2/13 8:29 PM
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FedorEmilioEstevez - I love Cerrone but if I was Jones I wouldn't expect my teammate and friend to air my private conversations in the media like this. Phone Post
Unless some 24 year old punk told you that you weren't worth shit compared to him, despite Cerrone being one of the most entertaining s.o.b's in the business. Treat others how you would like to be treated imo, and don't get a salty anus when your shit comes back full circle. Phone Post
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WoodenPupa - "besides cerrone, which teammates have said something? please show me sources as well."

Good point, and also I'm wondering which MMA champions have talked crap about Jones' decision. As far as I know, nobody who gets a PPV cut from their fights criticized him. I don't even think anybody who regularly gets 6-figures did, champ or not.

 

Edgar said that he would have taken the fight. That was after he lost his belt.

 

GSP said that he would have taken the fight, which I don't believe for a second. GSP has shown that he does things at his pace and won't get forced into doing something he doesn't want to if it's against his best interest.

Henderson defended Jones.

Anderson said that it was Jones' choice.

I don't remember the other guys who were champs at the time commenting. 


Source of Edgar and GSP saying they would have taken it? I did see Cowboy/Diego say yes and Bendo said no. Never saw anything from other champs.

Here's the Edgar quote.

 

http://www.mmaweekly.com/ufc-151-cancelled-in-jon-jones-shoes-former-champion-frankie-edgar-says-i-think-i-would-take-the-fight

1/2/13 8:54 PM
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Jones had nothing to risk at all.

If he had won, he moves on, makes his money.

If he had lost, they do an immediate rematch, he gets the biggest payday of his career.

He'd make way more losing, and you people think he'd make $30,000 if he lost to Chael.

If he makes $1 million for 450,000 buys, what do you think he makes for 950,000 that the rematch would do?
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George Hill - Jones had nothing to risk at all.

If he had won, he moves on, makes his money.

If he had lost, they do an immediate rematch, he gets the biggest payday of his career.

He'd make way more losing, and you people think he'd make $30,000 if he lost to Chael.

If he makes $1 million for 450,000 buys, what do you think he makes for 950,000 that the rematch would do?

 

I find it hard to believe that you seriuosly think that there'd be no downside to Jones losing his belt.

 

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Jones is the Axl Rose of MMA. All the talent in the world but a deplorable diva attitude to go with it.

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WoodenPupa - Fighters aren't allowed to weigh their circumstances from the point of view of making a living, investing in the future, and maximizing the value of the present like normal people.

The "professional" part of "professional fighter" is an invisible prefix for most people, who conceive fighters from the Roman emperor's POV. Fighters are expected to adhere to the "fight when you're told to" equation while upholding a TUF-spastic "anyone anytime anywhere" identity for good measure.

Failing to conform to that template suddenly makes the fighter a thinker, and as we all know, fighters shouldn't be thinking!

It's un-fighter-like to have a leverage calculator in your mind, one that protects your future. It's apparently also against the warrior spirit to insist on preparation, even though fights are announced months in advance.

Why is MMA called a "profession" or career in the first place? Isn't preparation a virtue of professionalism, and isn't performance mainly the result of it?

Comments from guys like Cerrone just indicate how hard it is to take their own profession seriously. As a result, their identity revolves around being a "fighter" who just lives to throw down. Well, if you choose MMA as a profession, you have no choice but to have that attitude or a similar one, since you won't have anything to show for your mangled face any time soon.

Really, we can't blame Cerrone for this attitude for just those reasons. It's just a shame that very few fighters reach the point where they have to make decisions about the greater of two goods, instead of the lesser of two evils.

Great post. Wasa-b as well.

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