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1/4/13 4:31 PM
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Rob T
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A guy has popped up in the UK claiming to be a brown belt under Rickson. Said he trained with him in Torrance during the 90s.

Name is Antonio Estepanian.

Any help would be appreciated. Cheers.
1/4/13 7:54 PM
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well....i'll say not legit. when rickson was in torrance, he was teaching at the gracie academy. he left the academy in 95?!? and opened up his own school in L.A. on wilshire. Kron took over most of the teaching there like 5 years ago.

so if antonio was with rickson in torrance, he would have been at the Gracie Academy. If he left when rickson left, he would have gone to the wilshire academy in L.A.

and he would have know luis heredia (-sp)

i stayed at the academy....so i might be wrong. get more details.

1/4/13 8:24 PM
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One thing too that I have observed, is that someone of a Rickson Lineage(got their belt from someone who got their blackbelt from Rickson) throws out 'X belt under Rickson Gracie'.

No idea whatsover if that is the case here, but I've seen it.
1/4/13 8:36 PM
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Just ask Limao then, or Dentinho.
1/4/13 10:13 PM
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He didn't move to Wiltshire right away. He was on Pico Phone Post
1/5/13 2:10 AM
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"Estepanian" is an awesome last name regardless. Phone Post
1/5/13 9:38 AM
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markus - well....i'll say not legit. when rickson was in torrance, he was teaching at the gracie academy. he left the academy in 95?!? and opened up his own school in L.A. on wilshire. Kron took over most of the teaching there like 5 years ago.

so if antonio was with rickson in torrance, he would have been at the Gracie Academy. If he left when rickson left, he would have gone to the wilshire academy in L.A.

and he would have know luis heredia (-sp)

i stayed at the academy....so i might be wrong. get more details.


i got a pic with jordan and royce taken in 94 and rickson wasnt around

1/5/13 9:52 AM
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Our bb was around torrance at that time, I'll ask him if he's heard of him next time I see him Phone Post
1/5/13 10:55 AM
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Sugarfoot -  Our bb was around torrance at that time, I'll ask him if he's heard of him next time I see him Phone Post

Awesome TTT for answers. The academy page of the club that Antonio trains at:http://www.guildfordmartialarts.com/brazilianjiujitsu.htm   and  http://www.guildfordmartialarts.com/ourinstructors.htm absolutely no clear information on his belt lineage or jiu jitsu history, nothing searchable on the internet at all for his BJJ or his 22-1 Muay Thai record either. Antonio is also teaches MMA at this gym, despite having no searchable MMA record or experience either.

1/5/13 12:17 PM
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markus - well....i'll say not legit. when rickson was in torrance, he was teaching at the gracie academy. he left the academy in 95?!? and opened up his own school in L.A. on wilshire. Kron took over most of the teaching there like 5 years ago.

so if antonio was with rickson in torrance, he would have been at the Gracie Academy. If he left when rickson left, he would have gone to the wilshire academy in L.A.

and he would have know luis heredia (-sp)

i stayed at the academy....so i might be wrong. get more details.


i got a pic with jordan and royce taken in 94 and rickson wasnt around


sorry, i'm getting old....i suffer from CRS-cant remember s#$t-

1/5/13 12:23 PM
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He trained for 6 years with Royse and Ricshon Gracie in the US, obtaining his Brown Belt, fighting around 30 times, including at the Pan American games and at the US Open


so i copied this from his site.....i still say not legit.
1/5/13 12:33 PM
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he did not spell Royce as "Royse" and Rickson as "Ricshon", did he?!

i will call bs.
1/5/13 2:14 PM
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Sugarfoot -  Our bb was around torrance at that time, I'll ask him if he's heard of him next time I see him Phone Post

Awesome TTT for answers. The academy page of the club that Antonio trains at:http://www.guildfordmartialarts.com/brazilianjiujitsu.htm   and  http://www.guildfordmartialarts.com/ourinstructors.htm absolutely no clear information on his belt lineage or jiu jitsu history, nothing searchable on the internet at all for his BJJ or his 22-1 Muay Thai record either. Antonio is also teaches MMA at this gym, despite having no searchable MMA record or experience either.

His response was "no don't know him", not sure that helps. Phone Post
1/5/13 2:46 PM
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Sugarfoot -  Our bb was around torrance at that time, I'll ask him if he's heard of him next time I see him Phone Post

Awesome TTT for answers. The academy page of the club that Antonio trains at:http://www.guildfordmartialarts.com/brazilianjiujitsu.htm   and  http://www.guildfordmartialarts.com/ourinstructors.htm absolutely no clear information on his belt lineage or jiu jitsu history, nothing searchable on the internet at all for his BJJ or his 22-1 Muay Thai record either. Antonio is also teaches MMA at this gym, despite having no searchable MMA record or experience either.

His response was "no don't know him", not sure that helps. Phone Post

No worries mate, im sure this will be the response of many legitimate guys who trained in Torrence in the 90s.

1/5/13 2:56 PM
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i'll tell you right now. if HE spelled those names that way, he is full of it or down right crazy.
1/5/13 3:14 PM
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PayItForward - i'll tell you right now. if HE spelled those names that way, he is full of it or down right crazy.
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1/5/13 3:23 PM
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He trained for 6 years with Royse and Ricshon Gracie in the US, obtaining his Brown Belt, fighting around 30 times, including at the Pan American games and at the US Open

whats with the spellings??
1/5/13 3:27 PM
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Master Bater - He trained for 6 years with Royse and Ricshon Gracie in the US, obtaining his Brown Belt, fighting around 30 times, including at the Pan American games and at the US Open

whats with the spellings??

Considering how carefully all the other content on the website is proofread, combined with the fact that most people who hear the Gracie first names replace the 'r' with an 'h'; it is possible they are misspelled intentionally in case of being taken to court or using it to avoid breaking the Trading Standards rule of intentionally using misinformation for marketable gain in a U.K business.

1/5/13 4:55 PM
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Any pics of him actually training with those gracie guys?
1/5/13 4:59 PM
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dojo stormer - Any pics of him actually training with those gracie guys?

Considering that theres no information on the internet whatsoever to confirm the claim, I think its fairly certain that there are no pics.

1/5/13 5:08 PM
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Awesome stuff, cheers guys!
1/5/13 5:19 PM
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I have now emailed the club again... I will post results of this here of course :)
1/5/13 5:25 PM
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Rob T - I have now emailed the club again... I will post results of this here of course :)

Awesome :) Can you screenshot the original email where he makes the claim to be a Rickson brown belt? Ive started another thread in the UG to see if anyone who frequents there might know: http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2112938&page=1

1/5/13 5:38 PM
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Here you go... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/bassrob/email_zpsce3f3c4f.png

The email is not from him but the academy owner where he teaches.
1/5/13 5:44 PM
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