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1/15/13 8:33 AM
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Will VTFU when I get to PC Phone Post
1/15/13 8:41 AM
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I added the tags, DeuceDroppin
1/15/13 8:51 AM
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DosMetros - I added the tags, DeuceDroppin

Awesome..You da man!

And thanks for the VTFU's fellas! These are always a serious team effort, so I'm just happy to be able to dig some shit up. Hopefully more people will jump on board for this stage of this. We really need someone with the ability to do a full background check on this guy. There is something SUPER FUCKING SHADY here, and I really want to figure it out. It's just not normal for someone to have 5 fucking names simply to be able to move to another country and teach BJJ as a brown belt!!

Also, I posted an "Attn: Eddie Bravo" post in the Anaconda forum, so hopefully he will comment here. I didn't know how to direct link the thread, so if someone wants to do that, please do!
1/15/13 9:08 AM
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DeuceDroppin - 
DosMetros - I added the tags, DeuceDroppin

Awesome..You da man!

And thanks for the VTFU's fellas! These are always a serious team effort, so I'm just happy to be able to dig some shit up. Hopefully more people will jump on board for this stage of this. We really need someone with the ability to do a full background check on this guy. There is something SUPER FUCKING SHADY here, and I really want to figure it out. It's just not normal for someone to have 5 fucking names simply to be able to move to another country and teach BJJ as a brown belt!!

Also, I posted an "Attn: Eddie Bravo" post in the Anaconda forum, so hopefully he will comment here. I didn't know how to direct link the thread, so if someone wants to do that, please do!

Pasted direct thread link there just now fren
1/15/13 9:20 AM
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uniquetechnique - Judging from the fight. If Eddie Bravo had known this guy was legit then he wouldn't have commented the way he did in that video. You can totally see that Eddie knew this guy was already fake. Otherwise he would have had more confidence in a 2nd degree Gracie Black Belt. That Antonio needs a can of Whoop Ass

Yeah, that's the way I always saw it.  Eddie knew he wasn't legit from the get go.  

1/15/13 9:39 AM
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Even Bruce looks like he thinks the guy's full of shit when he's reading the card.

1/15/13 9:42 AM
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Lol...I remember that fight. Phone Post
1/15/13 9:49 AM
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belts in kickboxing make no sense. Phone Post
1/15/13 10:32 AM
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mmaguy30 - holy LOL at that video...
Cecil People's even scored it against Antonio Phone Post
1/15/13 10:59 AM
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Wow. This just connected a dot for me. I remember seeing this fight and thinking wtf? That guy is a fraud. I cant believe this has been proven true years later! Amazing work UG.
1/15/13 11:26 AM
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Connor S - Dam. I live in Camberley/Guildford and I was gonna go to this gym to train BJJ.

Glad I read this thread first! Phone Post
If true, this is the #1 reason we do these things. At least its why I sometimes get involved. These frauds are dangerous. Phone Post
1/15/13 12:25 PM
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Antonio Estepanian has been completley removed from the Guildford Martial Arts Academy website.

Congratulations to them for making a legitimate affiliation!

Now on to the creepy matter of Antonio's aliases and previous lies......... Very strange ........... Phone Post
1/15/13 12:37 PM
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That video is amazing. Bruce did a wtf pause before reading the gracie part. So funny.

Eddie is basically clowning the guy during the interview.

Tap from being mounted.

Giant pants in an mma fight.

Ken shamrock looking incredibly disheveled.

VTFU your everyone involved here. Phone Post
1/15/13 12:43 PM
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Edelweiss -  That video is amazing. Bruce did a wtf pause before reading the gracie part. So funny.

Eddie is basically clowning the guy during the interview.

Tap from being mounted.

Giant pants in an mma fight.

Ken shamrock looking incredibly disheveled.

VTFU your everyone involved here. Phone Post

Agree with all of this... Eddie trolling him during the pre-fight interview was fucking priceless!
1/15/13 1:00 PM
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OMFG @ the fight. Like a true Gracie BB he immediately taps to mounting. Art Jimmerson would even be disgraced

Would love Eddie thoughts on this guy....
1/15/13 1:13 PM
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UGCTT_Fillthy -

Even Bruce looks like he thinks the guy's full of shit when he's reading the card.

So that this is on every page from here on out! Phone Post
1/15/13 3:24 PM
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mmaguy30 - holy LOL at that video...
Cecil People's even scored it against Antonio Phone Post

well now you are just going over the top...
1/15/13 3:32 PM
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Mma's real biggest fraud may have been uncovered here... Phone Post
1/15/13 4:59 PM
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Is a standard Gracie JJ defense to raise & cross your left leg to prevent a mount attempt from your right?
1/15/13 5:07 PM
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Jeffphansen77 - Is a standard Gracie JJ defense to raise & cross your left leg to prevent a mount attempt from your right?

No.  Only 2nd degree black belts learn that technique.

IIRC, Ryron used it in his match against Galvao.  It's high level.

1/15/13 5:20 PM
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Jeffphansen77 - Is a standard Gracie JJ defense to raise & cross your left leg to prevent a mount attempt from your right?

I chuckled when he did this. I was hoping Eddie would say something during the broadcast -- especially when the other two were saying what a great defense he was putting up. 

1/15/13 6:16 PM
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Jeffphansen77 - Is a standard Gracie JJ defense to raise & cross your left leg to prevent a mount attempt from your right?
Actually I use that technique alot. It bates your opponent into thinking they have mount but it sets you up for an escape from bottem.
Bj penn used it on GSP 2nd fight. Jail breaker iirc (somebody correct me) Phone Post
1/15/13 6:25 PM
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DeuceDroppin - 
UGCTT_Fillthy -

Even Bruce looks like he thinks the guy's full of shit when he's reading the card.

So that this is on every page from here on out! Phone Post

speechless. WTF??? really? this fight happened in 2000? the dirty dozen didnt get their black belts until 1998. this clown claims to be a 2nd degree bb?? and 13 years later he claims to be a rickson brown? i dont think javy was even a black belt yet. fraud of the decade?
1/15/13 6:43 PM
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kid chaos - 
Jeffphansen77 - Is a standard Gracie JJ defense to raise & cross your left leg to prevent a mount attempt from your right?
Actually I use that technique alot. It bates your opponent into thinking they have mount but it sets you up for an escape from bottem.
Bj penn used it on GSP 2nd fight. Jail breaker iirc (somebody correct me) Phone Post

I REALLY doubt he was going for that Kid :)
1/16/13 12:28 AM
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I have a friend who ran a background check for me. The guy's criminal record is clean, but my buddy does a lot of background checks and said, "In the grand scheme of LexisNexis profiles [the background check tool], this is VERY thin. I look at lots and lots of Lexis profiles every day/week and when I see one that thin, for a guy that's 40 years old, at least partly, that he's tried to stay off the radar."

The LexisNexis profile is below. This is all from publicly available information. I've omitted his SSN for privacy's sake. Formatting is kind of screwed up, but you can make it out. The extended report contains a bunch of demographic information for each of the addresses listed below, along with telephone numbers for some, and a bunch of information of known relatives and associates.

FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY
Copyright 2012 LexisNexis
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Full Name Address Phone
TAROESTEPANIAN, ANTONIO T 204 W LOMITA AVE APT
GLENDALE, CA 91204-1715
LOS ANGELES COUNTY None Listed

ADDITIONAL PERSONAL INFORMATION
SSN DOB Gender LexID(sm)
XXX-XX-XXXX
12/1972
(Age:40) 000747198304

Subject Summary

Name Variations
1: EMAY, ANTONIO
2: ESTEPANIAN, ANTONIO
3: TAROESTEPANIAN, ANTONIO
4: TAROESTEPANIAN, ANTONIO T

SSNs Summary
No. SSN State Iss. Date Iss. Warnings
Most frequent SSN attributed to subject:
1: XXX-XX-XXXX California 1987

DOBs
Reported DOBs:
12/1972
12/1972


Address Summary - 8 records found
No. Address
1: 204 W LOMITA AVE APT
GLENDALE, CA 91204-1715
LOS ANGELES COUNTY

2: 426 VINE ST APT
GLENDALE, CA 91204-4560
LOS ANGELES COUNTY

3: 350 W LOMITA AVE APT 101
GLENDALE, CA 91204-1658
LOS ANGELES COUNTY

4: 350 E LOMITA AVE
GLENDALE, CA 91205
LOS ANGELES COUNTY

5: 1128 W BALBOA BLVD APT
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92661-1053
ORANGE COUNTY

6: 1357 ELM AVE
GLENDALE, CA 91201-1111
LOS ANGELES COUNTY

7: 7918 WILLOUGHBY AVE
WEST HOLLYWOOD, CA 90046-7113
LOS ANGELES COUNTY

8: 1128 E BALBOA BLVD
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92661-1314
ORANGE COUNTY

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