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1/7/13 11:55 PM
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He kickboxed 5 guys name dan in one night Phone Post
1/8/13 12:10 AM
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UGCTT_Fillthy -

Chief Instructor appears to be a bit of a tool.

 

AGE: Immortal
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PROUDEST MOMENT: Winning 3 Golds in 1 Afternoon - Sep 1996 - Gulf Shores US
OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS:  BCKO - European Full Contact Kickboxing Champion 70Kg (1991)
- 2 x British Full Contact Kickboxing Champion 70Kg (1990 & 91)
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That looks like a picture of a picture. like he took a picture of a book... My question is is that Brandon Lee as the crow or him dressed as Brandon Lee dressed as the crow Phone Post
1/8/13 12:49 AM
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1/8/13 4:30 AM
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Heel Hooker - I love how the UG bullies all line up to get their licks in. I guarantee none of you who have the stones to get in this guys face.

Like Sitchpack said, you appear to have gotten the wrong idea.

The point of this investigation isn't to ruin a guys name, it's to authenticate or disprove a dubious claim of rank in an art (BJJ) that is well known to be difficult to grade in.

He's claiming a Brown belt from Rickson Gracie; one of the highest regarded members of a sport that's important to everyone here and that everyone who trains has a vested interest to represent honestly and appropriately.

If this guy is, indeed, a fraud and allowed to get away with these claims, he'll not only be taking money from those who aren't better informed and teaching them potentially incorrect and harmful technique (BJJ is no joke; if you enter a competition or fight and don't really know what you're doing; you can get seriously fucked up) but he'll be dragging Rickson and the Gracie's name through the mud, too.

Again, this isn't a bullying attack, but an attempt to clear things up.

If the guy turns out to be legit then this thread will no doubt be deleted and we'll all apologise. BJJ; we're proud, but we're not dicks
1/8/13 5:06 AM
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Maybe he's a Rickson purple, & will get his brown next year (2014)!
1/8/13 7:44 AM
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guys can we leave the other instructors alone? It makes the investigation look like we are ganging up to get kicks.in on the.gym, which is not the case.

According to the UK UG.fb page, someone has messaged antonio to make him aware of these threads.

TTT for truth. Phone Post
1/8/13 8:43 AM
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1/8/13 8:57 AM
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UGCTT_Fillthy -
Achilles is the GOAT - 
Achilles is the GOAT - I just messaged my trainer Neil Owen (part of the dirty dozen)

He might be able to shed some light... Phone Post
Neil said he has never heard of him before, but he said maybe if he saw him. Do we have a photo? Phone Post

EDIT - fixed the pic...thanks!

 

 

Here never mind all this Bjj bitchy crap.... She'd fuckin get it! Phone Post
1/8/13 9:01 AM
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TalkShowOnMute -

http://www.guildfordmartialarts.com/ourinstructors.htm

I think we should take a closer look at this Mary Smitheman IMO.  I would like to dig deep into her.  You know, really root around and see what comes up.

 

I think this is the better path for me in this investigation.

Yes absolutely, we should stake out her house or something. I have a zoom lense... You or Kleenex? Phone Post
1/8/13 9:11 AM
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guys stop with the comments towards the ladies, its stuff like that which undoes all the good work of the investigation.

1/8/13 9:38 AM
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I too would like to know what all this talk about blacks belts and 2nd Dans in kickboxing is all about? That's like claiming a green belt in boxing surely.
1/8/13 11:52 AM
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Yeah, lets keep this mature and to the point; leave the other instructors and his lady friend out of this
1/8/13 11:54 AM
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HULC - I too would like to know what all this talk about blacks belts and 2nd Dans in kickboxing is all about? That's like claiming a green belt in boxing surely.
I would reckon it's kickboxing like these guys teach not Thai

http://www.raptorskickboxing.info/ Phone Post
1/8/13 12:29 PM
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It does speak to the professionalism of the instructor, and the gym, when the Chief Instructor lists his age as 'immortal' and uses a picture of The Crow. 

However, point taken.

1/8/13 1:11 PM
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^^^^lol great post above me and ttt for more info.  great investigation so far.

 

and that one poster is right; I wouldn't say shit to this guy face to face; but I also wouldn't want to spend 100 bucks a month thinking i'm training in gracie bjj under a rickson brown belt.  Imagine the students go around claiming this without knowing they were lied to...now we have two generations of fake rickson lineage.

great thread

1/8/13 1:20 PM
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guys stop with the comments towards the ladies, its stuff like that which undoes all the good work of the investigation.


I understand your thoughts on posts like this, but what did you expect bringing this here?

C'mon man! This is the UG. This is what happens here.
1/8/13 2:02 PM
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wow.

 

That is some serious garbage-technique.

1/8/13 2:10 PM
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at the age of 38...how does one count 34 yrs of experience.

.....that one boggled my mind.

the breain and motor functions dont adapt until roughtly the 12-14 age range to really take in what you are doing application wise as your body adapts in growth. And even at that point retention is another variable all unto itself.


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guys stop with the comments towards the ladies, its stuff like that which undoes all the good work of the investigation.


I understand your thoughts on posts like this, but what did you expect bringing this here?

C'mon man! This is the UG. This is what happens here.

lol, im only interested in the investigation, nothing else. Getting this guy to stop teaching if he is not legitimate has to be priority number 1, compared to the bikini pics and shots of all women involved.

1/8/13 2:20 PM
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guys stop with the comments towards the ladies, its stuff like that which undoes all the good work of the investigation.


I understand your thoughts on posts like this, but what did you expect bringing this here?

C'mon man! This is the UG. This is what happens here.

lol, im only interested in the investigation, nothing else. Getting this guy to stop teaching if he is not legitimate has to be priority number 1, compared to the bikini pics and shots of all women involved.


I like cake.

But I like cake and ice cream even more.

1/8/13 2:37 PM
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What martial arts is that, kickboxing for the mentaly challenged?

oh and sub.
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TIkmovado you are late to the party and acting like a dick, you do not represent, or speak for the ug as a whole (it seems you need that outlined for you) - Looking for bikini shots is irrelevant and makes an investigation into the validity of someones qualifications seem as though its being conducted by children,

so instead, how about you dont act like a penis and use your obvious apptitude for investigation and wrriting to do something productive. Unless of course all you really care about is talking on forums in which case I assume you will reply with somehting insulting, rude, or have a go at me and try to justify yourselfand then I suppose i might as well have pulled on my nuts and talked to a wall anyway.

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vengence - at the age of 38...how does one count 34 yrs of experience.

.....that one boggled my mind.

the breain and motor functions dont adapt until roughtly the 12-14 age range to really take in what you are doing application wise as your body adapts in growth. And even at that point retention is another variable all unto itself.


wanker

He said "34 years experience in martial arts and fitness", so crawling around his parents' living room would qualify, technically speaking.
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guys stop with the comments towards the ladies, its stuff like that which undoes all the good work of the investigation.


I understand your thoughts on posts like this, but what did you expect bringing this here?

C'mon man! This is the UG. This is what happens here.

lol, im only interested in the investigation, nothing else. Getting this guy to stop teaching if he is not legitimate has to be priority number 1, compared to the bikini pics and shots of all women involved.


Dude this is not all about you.

Investigation, this is a fraud outing not some kind of job, they are frauds....NEXT is to out them.


Here is the chick getting kicked in the cunt at 22sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKSuVxGU1iE&list=UUD8gnajfm73Ut8CtI1IZo7Q&index=1


Never said it was all about me, Im just saying myself and others on this threadi ncluded want the result of the investigation to be that the gym agrees to kick out said instructor if he is not legitimate. That isa going to be hard to convice them to do so when you are posting pictures of all the women on that site with lewd comments, and accusing all of them of being frauds.

If we could just focus on getting Antonion Estepanian confirmed legit or not, then see what they have to say. After that if you want to go full hog on all the credentials on the website, be my guest, just dont let it make the whole thing turn into everyone giving a cheap dig. Im sure everyone here wants legitimate results to be taken seriously.

 

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guys stop with the comments towards the ladies, its stuff like that which undoes all the good work of the investigation.


I understand your thoughts on posts like this, but what did you expect bringing this here?

C'mon man! This is the UG. This is what happens here.

lol, im only interested in the investigation, nothing else. Getting this guy to stop teaching if he is not legitimate has to be priority number 1, compared to the bikini pics and shots of all women involved.


Dude this is not all about you.

Investigation, this is a fraud outing not some kind of job, they are frauds....NEXT is to out them.


Here is the chick getting kicked in the cunt at 22sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKSuVxGU1iE&list=UUD8gnajfm73Ut8CtI1IZo7Q&index=1


Never said it was all about me, Im just saying myself and others on this threadi ncluded want the result of the investigation to be that the gym agrees to kick out said instructor if he is not legitimate. That isa going to be hard to convice them to do so when you are posting pictures of all the women on that site with lewd comments, and accusing all of them of being frauds.

If we could just focus on getting Antonion Estepanian confirmed legit or not, then see what they have to say. After that if you want to go full hog on all the credentials on the website, be my guest, just dont let it make the whole thing turn into everyone giving a cheap dig. Im sure everyone here wants legitimate results to be taken seriously.

 


VTFU!

Seriously if you guys want to exchange pics, why not do it via email, its more personal...

 


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