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1/9/13 11:18 AM
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First I didn't do mmath I said a guy capable of decisioning Bonner. Which is really unimpressive. You guys act like Jon Jones can beat anyone and their mother. He literally was one inch away from losing to vitor. The difference between Jones and Silva is you can still find competitive fights for Jones. Silva has to change weight classes to find competition. Silva has demolished everybody he fought. Jones struggles on Vera bonnar Vitor, took rampage who was fat and unmotivated to the 4th round. Decisioned rashad. Its not that impressive. Look at Silva. Kod leben in under a minute. Kod the champ Franklin twice, rocked and rncd hendo. Moved up destroyed Forrest and bonnar destroyed vitor, gave chael stitches from the bottom in the first fight and compressed his entire ribcage in the second. Maia couldn't do a damn thing to him. Okami got laid out. Sure Jones is winning but is he really impressing anyone Phone Post
1/9/13 11:21 AM
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I'm a big AS fan (nuthugger states by UG standards (not quite Thiaguy level)), but Jones is leagues above everyone else at LHW as he's proved time and time again.  Only person out there I think can beat Anderson.  I don't see how Anderson could be favourite stepping up a weight class and facing such a dominant champion.  Odd would probably be pretty short on each, but I would expect Jones to be favourite.

So wait, the guy who decisioned Bonner is leagues above the guy who is naturally smaller and destroyed everyone he fought at lhw Phone Post


He's fought guys AS has not that are much better than AS's average opponent. In a single year he fought Machida, Page, Shogun and Evans. That more legends then AS ever fought. The poster is a HUGE AS fan but he's not delusional.

Take your dumb ass MMA math and shove it, if you can't understand the above outweighs it by far your delusional.

Machida and Evans are now "legends".....?Evans who held the belt for one whole fight?

 

Shogun and Page are shells of their former selves and niether would be able to beat Silva.

 

You're delusion is shinning through again.



Yea sure

Name 4 fighters AS ever fought in that league? He never has, past their prime or no! LMFAO at "delusion" AS troll.
1/9/13 11:23 AM
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andyman011 -  First I didn't do mmath I said a guy capable of decisioning Bonner. Which is really unimpressive. You guys act like Jon Jones can beat anyone and their mother. He literally was one inch away from losing to vitor. The difference between Jones and Silva is you can still find competitive fights for Jones. Silva has to change weight classes to find competition. Silva has demolished everybody he fought. Jones struggles on Vera bonnar Vitor, took rampage who was fat and unmotivated to the 4th round. Decisioned rashad. Its not that impressive. Look at Silva. Kod leben in under a minute. Kod the champ Franklin twice, rocked and rncd hendo. Moved up destroyed Forrest and bonnar destroyed vitor, gave chael stitches from the bottom in the first fight and compressed his entire ribcage in the second. Maia couldn't do a damn thing to him. Okami got laid out. Sure Jones is winning but is he really impressing anyone Phone Post


Another difference is JBJ has fought much better than AS ever did already.

No worries, all is good we need the fight is all.
1/9/13 11:24 AM
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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....

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I'm a big AS fan (nuthugger states by UG standards (not quite Thiaguy level)), but Jones is leagues above everyone else at LHW as he's proved time and time again.  Only person out there I think can beat Anderson.  I don't see how Anderson could be favourite stepping up a weight class and facing such a dominant champion.  Odd would probably be pretty short on each, but I would expect Jones to be favourite.

So wait, the guy who decisioned Bonner is leagues above the guy who is naturally smaller and destroyed everyone he fought at lhw Phone Post


He's fought guys AS has not that are much better than AS's average opponent. In a single year he fought Machida, Page, Shogun and Evans. That more legends then AS ever fought. The poster is a HUGE AS fan but he's not delusional.

Take your dumb ass MMA math and shove it, if you can't understand the above outweighs it by far your delusional.

Machida and Evans are now "legends".....?Evans who held the belt for one whole fight?

 

Shogun and Page are shells of their former selves and niether would be able to beat Silva.

 

You're delusion is shinning through again.



Yea sure

Name 4 fighters AS ever fought in that league? He never has, past their prime or no! LMFAO at "delusion" AS troll.
But that's retarded to say beating a past prime shogun is the equivalent of beating him in pride. Look where shogun is now, fighting Vera and gustaffson. Look where rampage is, fighting maybe Glover. Plus he's got a belly and isn't down for the sport anymore. Machida is fighting bader and hendo. Its not like these guys were doing big things. Fuck machida fought couture and won, does that mean he would have won a few years ago? No Phone Post
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Jones is a heavyweight with amazing wrestling

he has youth and all the physical advantages


But so many seem to like AS. Would they bet it though?

If Andy was the underdog I would bet on it in a heartbeat.

 

He has a better chance to beat Jones than anyone at 205 or below.



JBJ by TD & hellbow 8.5 out of ten easy IMO (just the same as any great HW wrestler too), hell Leites did well for two rounds FFS.
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Jones is a heavyweight with amazing wrestling

he has youth and all the physical advantages


But so many seem to like AS. Would they bet it though?

If Andy was the underdog I would bet on it in a heartbeat.

 

He has a better chance to beat Jones than anyone at 205 or below.



JBJ by TD & hellbow 8.5 out of ten easy IMO (just the same as any great HW wrestler too), hell Leites did well for two rounds FFS.
By that logic as by Thai clinch. Heck he did it to Franklin twice. Or as by brutal knee. Did it to Franklin chael and bonnar. Or you can even go as far as AS by ko or tko because look at Franklin leben vitor chael okami marquardt bonnar griffin etc Phone Post
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Jones would be a MASSIVE favorite for this fight. I could see it being 2/5 jones 2/1 silva. If i could get close to even money on jones i would put everything i have on it. No way silva beats him.

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Based on this thread I really hope this fight happens, you guys can plunk your money down on Anderson to keep the line close and I will make a killing off of Jones.
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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....



LMFAO at new to the sport! I'd bet I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding you.

Yes to Sakurai ESPECIALLY at that time!

Newton at that point had lost Matt X2, Memme. Moreover he went only 4-7 for thest of his carrier after AS, so NO (it's not like when Hendo beat him)

Hendo without weight on was never as good as with weight on. His claim to fame at 85 was the very close fight with Busta. With weight on he's 2-1 VS the HW GOATS and won an open weight tourney. So it's a very good win but not not on par I'd guess.

I'll give you Ace, don't know why there is not more respect for him

So No

He never challenged the best when they were the best. JBJ is the last shot. I'll bet even $$ the fight does not happen in the next 2 years.

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Dr Gonzo - Based on this thread I really hope this fight happens, you guys can plunk your money down on Anderson to keep the line close and I will make a killing off of Jones.


Try to gauge this, reason for the thread. We can only hope! OMG if AS is favored, LOL.
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Jones is a heavyweight with amazing wrestling

he has youth and all the physical advantages


But so many seem to like AS. Would they bet it though?

If Andy was the underdog I would bet on it in a heartbeat.

 

He has a better chance to beat Jones than anyone at 205 or below.



JBJ by TD & hellbow 8.5 out of ten easy IMO (just the same as any great HW wrestler too), hell Leites did well for two rounds FFS.
By that logic as by Thai clinch. Heck he did it to Franklin twice. Or as by brutal knee. Did it to Franklin chael and bonnar. Or you can even go as far as AS by ko or tko because look at Franklin leben vitor chael okami marquardt bonnar griffin etc Phone Post


He getting TF put on his back right away LOl.
1/9/13 11:50 AM
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Lets concentrate on what posters think the odds will be & who will bet the fight per the thread. AS trolls attacking other AS fans for unbiased opinions here.
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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....



LMFAO at new to the sport! I'd bet I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding you.

Yes to Sakurai ESPECIALLY at that time!

Newton at that point had lost Matt X2, Memme. Moreover he went only 4-7 for thest of his carrier after AS, so NO (it's not like when Hendo beat him)

Hendo without weight on was never as good as with weight on. His claim to fame at 85 was the very close fight with Busta. With weight on he's 2-1 VS the HW GOATS and won an open weight tourney. So it's a very good win but not not on par I'd guess.

I'll give you Ace, don't know why there is not more respect for him

So No

He never challenged the best when they were the best. JBJ is the last shot. I'll bet even $$ the fight does not happen in the next 2 years.


LMAO @ trying to discredit Newton for his record AFTER they fought. You further your n00b by saying he lost to Matt twice knowing that he really only lost once. More proof you are just using Wiki or Sherdog fight finder.

 

"he never challenged the best".....who exactly should he have challenged that he didn't? What MW was he avoiding?

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Jones would be a MASSIVE favorite for this fight. I could see it being 2/5 jones 2/1 silva. If i could get close to even money on jones i would put everything i have on it. No way silva beats him.



This is WTF I want to know, the odds. I think lots of folks would back Silva. I don't know about "everything i have on it", but it will be some number, especially at even $$ or better.
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Jones would be a MASSIVE favorite for this fight. I could see it being 2/5 jones 2/1 silva. If i could get close to even money on jones i would put everything i have on it. No way silva beats him.



This is WTF I want to know, the odds. I think lots of folks would back Silva. I don't know about "everything i have on it", but it will be some number, especially at even $$ or better.
By the time the fight comes around everyone will have different opinions. How would yours change if he for example kos gsp in the first. What if Jones loses against chael or whoever's after chael. Phone Post
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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....



LMFAO at new to the sport! I'd bet I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding you.

Yes to Sakurai ESPECIALLY at that time!

Newton at that point had lost Matt X2, Memme. Moreover he went only 4-7 for thest of his carrier after AS, so NO (it's not like when Hendo beat him)

Hendo without weight on was never as good as with weight on. His claim to fame at 85 was the very close fight with Busta. With weight on he's 2-1 VS the HW GOATS and won an open weight tourney. So it's a very good win but not not on par I'd guess.

I'll give you Ace, don't know why there is not more respect for him

So No

He never challenged the best when they were the best. JBJ is the last shot. I'll bet even $$ the fight does not happen in the next 2 years.


So you just agreed that 3/4 I named were in fact legends.

 

All you need to do is get your head out of your ass trying to call Evans and Machida legends at the time Bones fought them to see the reality.

 

Jones has faced 2 true legends in Shogun and Page. Yet he faced them when they were clearly nowhere near their prime. Where Anderson took on Sakurai/Hendo/Franklin all in the peak of their careers. ;)

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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....



LMFAO at new to the sport! I'd bet I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding you.

Yes to Sakurai ESPECIALLY at that time!

Newton at that point had lost Matt X2, Memme. Moreover he went only 4-7 for thest of his carrier after AS, so NO (it's not like when Hendo beat him)

Hendo without weight on was never as good as with weight on. His claim to fame at 85 was the very close fight with Busta. With weight on he's 2-1 VS the HW GOATS and won an open weight tourney. So it's a very good win but not not on par I'd guess.

I'll give you Ace, don't know why there is not more respect for him

So No

He never challenged the best when they were the best. JBJ is the last shot. I'll bet even $$ the fight does not happen in the next 2 years.


LMAO @ trying to discredit Newton for his record AFTER they fought. You further your n00b by saying he lost to Matt twice knowing that he really only lost once. More proof you are just using Wiki or Sherdog fight finder.

 

"he never challenged the best".....who exactly should he have challenged that he didn't? What MW was he avoiding?



LnP just stop the troll here TY. You said you'd bet AS that is the data I wanted in this thread. If you think that was his prime (Newton) going 4-8 until he quit (including that fight with AS)fine. LOL at me meaning MW BTW. We have been over the rest, and this is not the thread. TY and have a nice day
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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....



LMFAO at new to the sport! I'd bet I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding you.

Yes to Sakurai ESPECIALLY at that time!

Newton at that point had lost Matt X2, Memme. Moreover he went only 4-7 for thest of his carrier after AS, so NO (it's not like when Hendo beat him)

Hendo without weight on was never as good as with weight on. His claim to fame at 85 was the very close fight with Busta. With weight on he's 2-1 VS the HW GOATS and won an open weight tourney. So it's a very good win but not not on par I'd guess.

I'll give you Ace, don't know why there is not more respect for him

So No

He never challenged the best when they were the best. JBJ is the last shot. I'll bet even $$ the fight does not happen in the next 2 years.


So you just agreed that 3/4 I named were in fact legends.

 

All you need to do is get your head out of your ass trying to call Evans and Machida legends at the time Bones fought them to see the reality.

 

Jones has faced 2 true legends in Shogun and Page. Yet he faced them when they were clearly nowhere near their prime. Where Anderson took on Sakurai/Hendo/Franklin all in the peak of their careers. ;)



Please stop the troll and derail here LnP. I should not have used the word 'legend' perhaps. "He's fought guys AS has not that are much better than AS's average opponent. In a single year he fought Machida, Page, Shogun and Evans."

We can leave it at that. TY LnP
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This is the closest thing I will get to you admitting you were wrong. I accept your apology and your attempt to decieve reality.

 

Yes, fighting those 4 opponents in one single year is better than anything Anderson has done IN ONE SINGLE YEAR. That's all though. Jones' resume is not even close to Anderson's overall.

 

If all this thread talked about was the betting line it would have died already, so you shouldn't want to stop any side conversations. It will keep your thread front page for a while. ;)

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Jones would be a MASSIVE favorite for this fight. I could see it being 2/5 jones 2/1 silva. If i could get close to even money on jones i would put everything i have on it. No way silva beats him.



This is WTF I want to know, the odds. I think lots of folks would back Silva. I don't know about "everything i have on it", but it will be some number, especially at even $$ or better.
By the time the fight comes around everyone will have different opinions. How would yours change if he for example kos gsp in the first. What if Jones loses against chael or whoever's after chael. Phone Post


I started betting JBJ at -600 now it's over double where I play (last I looked). If I lose that bet I may not even play for a LONG time LOL. NO, my opinion will not change I don't think LOL. That fight is the biggest mismatch for a belt in the history of MMA IMO. I like JBJ over AS via TD to Hellbow about 8.5/10 easy.

Now it's an open question if others will change there minds I guess grated though.
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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....



LMFAO at new to the sport! I'd bet I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding you.

Yes to Sakurai ESPECIALLY at that time!

Newton at that point had lost Matt X2, Memme. Moreover he went only 4-7 for thest of his carrier after AS, so NO (it's not like when Hendo beat him)

Hendo without weight on was never as good as with weight on. His claim to fame at 85 was the very close fight with Busta. With weight on he's 2-1 VS the HW GOATS and won an open weight tourney. So it's a very good win but not not on par I'd guess.

I'll give you Ace, don't know why there is not more respect for him

So No

He never challenged the best when they were the best. JBJ is the last shot. I'll bet even $$ the fight does not happen in the next 2 years.


LMAO @ trying to discredit Newton for his record AFTER they fought. You further your n00b by saying he lost to Matt twice knowing that he really only lost once. More proof you are just using Wiki or Sherdog fight finder.

 

"he never challenged the best".....who exactly should he have challenged that he didn't? What MW was he avoiding?



LnP just stop the troll here TY. You said you'd bet AS that is the data I wanted in this thread. If you think that was his prime (Newton) going 4-8 until he quit (including that fight with AS)fine. LOL at me meaning MW BTW. We have been over the rest, and this is not the thread. TY and have a nice day

Riiiiiiiight, the old "don't derail the thread" dicktuck....

 

You need to work on your posting skills. ;)

Newton was in his prime, and you really are a n00b. Do a little research on Newton's physical health and mental issues around that time and it may help you uinderstand why his career took a turn for the worse.

 

Moving on, you claim that Anderson "never challenged the best when they were the best"....please cite examples of who those fighters are. All you will have is fighters from a division ABOVE where Anderson fights, which is a totally retarded argument unless you also want to say that every great champion "never challenged the best when they were the best" from the division above theirs. Do you also claim that GSP never fought the best because he didn't fight Anderson/Franklin/Sonnen/Belfort/Henderson etc? How about Bones has never challenged the best because he is yet to fight JDS/Cain/Brock/Carwin/Overeem????

 

You want to end this conversation because you know how stupid it is making you look.

 

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This is the closest thing I will get to you admitting you were wrong. I accept your apology and your attempt to decieve reality.

 

Yes, fighting those 4 opponents in one single year is better than anything Anderson has done IN ONE SINGLE YEAR. That's all though. Jones' resume is not even close to Anderson's overall.

 

If all this thread talked about was the betting line it would have died already, so you shouldn't want to stop any side conversations. It will keep your thread front page for a while. ;)



I think your point of view is both troll and a joke LnP as stated. Yes this is a betting thread, let it die then. We'll take it up when someone starts a GOAt thread.

I'm sure I'll have to defend Fedor as usual from crazy ass AS trolls (not you of course in that case) and you can deal with AS's record at that time (average level of skill of his opponents).

The funny thing is (to me), we both F'IN want the JBJ fight SO bad. LOL
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^^^^^^ Sakurai, Newton, Franklin, Hendo

 

Shit, at the time Jones fought Evans he was no different that Forrest. LHW Former Champion who only held the belt for one fight.

 

I will assume that you may need some help understanding who Sakurai/Newton were as far as great fighters as you seem to be a newer fan to the sport....



LMFAO at new to the sport! I'd bet I was fighting when your mom was breast feeding you.

Yes to Sakurai ESPECIALLY at that time!

Newton at that point had lost Matt X2, Memme. Moreover he went only 4-7 for thest of his carrier after AS, so NO (it's not like when Hendo beat him)

Hendo without weight on was never as good as with weight on. His claim to fame at 85 was the very close fight with Busta. With weight on he's 2-1 VS the HW GOATS and won an open weight tourney. So it's a very good win but not not on par I'd guess.

I'll give you Ace, don't know why there is not more respect for him

So No

He never challenged the best when they were the best. JBJ is the last shot. I'll bet even $$ the fight does not happen in the next 2 years.


LMAO @ trying to discredit Newton for his record AFTER they fought. You further your n00b by saying he lost to Matt twice knowing that he really only lost once. More proof you are just using Wiki or Sherdog fight finder.

 

"he never challenged the best".....who exactly should he have challenged that he didn't? What MW was he avoiding?



LnP just stop the troll here TY. You said you'd bet AS that is the data I wanted in this thread. If you think that was his prime (Newton) going 4-8 until he quit (including that fight with AS)fine. LOL at me meaning MW BTW. We have been over the rest, and this is not the thread. TY and have a nice day

Riiiiiiiight, the old "don't derail the thread" dicktuck....

 

You need to work on your posting skills. ;)

Newton was in his prime, and you really are a n00b. Do a little research on Newton's physical health and mental issues around that time and it may help you uinderstand why his career took a turn for the worse.

 

Moving on, you claim that Anderson "never challenged the best when they were the best"....please cite examples of who those fighters are. All you will have is fighters from a division ABOVE where Anderson fights, which is a totally retarded argument unless you also want to say that every great champion "never challenged the best when they were the best" from the division above theirs. Do you also claim that GSP never fought the best because he didn't fight Anderson/Franklin/Sonnen/Belfort/Henderson etc? How about Bones has never challenged the best because he is yet to fight JDS/Cain/Brock/Carwin/Overeem????

 

You want to end this conversation because you know how stupid it is making you look.

 



Not at all LnP he has fought huge LHW's, it only the best when they were the best he would not challenge.

WTF you want to troll my thread. OK lets talk about AS's record. In truth I really have never addressed it even in full on the UG!

Lutter was was 9-3, and had 0 top ten wins (Can you see JBJ mounted by him BTW like he did AS?)

Marquardt had one fight in 2007 to earn his shot against Silva by beating Dean Lister.

Cote had no top 10 wins at all. He earned his shot by beating Almeida who had 2 fights in 4 years.

Leites got his shot by beating Marquardt by point deduction (look how he did for two rounds).

Maia earned his shot by getting KOed by Marquardt and then beating Jim Miller

Belfort had no fights at 185. He had not beaten a top fighter since 2004 (Randy via cut)


After Anderson:

Leites was cut
Maia was beaten again and dropped to 170
Sonnen had 3 losses in the UFC, and 10 losses before Anderson
Okami lost to Boetsch right after fighting Silva
Cote lost 2 in a row after Anderson, and just lost to Cung Le
Irvin went 3-5 after Anderson


Some other competition Anderson fought:

1) Outright low tier:

10-13 Daiju Takase (loss)
Ryo Chonan (loss)
4-13 Alexander Otsuka
3-10 Waldir dos Anjos
11-12 Curtis Stout

2) Overmatched/Undersized:

LWs
Camoes
Azeredo (loss)
9-14 Fontinelle
2-4 Pinheiro
Kato


0-1 Barreto
16-14 Newton
Albuquerque 0-3
Carneiro

Mid/low tier in the UFC:

15-7 Stephan Bonnar
James Irvin
Patrick Cote
13-5 Thales Leites
10-6 Travis Lutter
Chris Leben

AS is the only fighter in the GOAT discussion that LOST to a fighter with a losing record to boot.

You can't compare the average strength of opponent AS fought to JBJ. It's a F'IN JOKE!

Now you have it. Happy?
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I'm a big AS fan (nuthugger states by UG standards (not quite Thiaguy level)), but Jones is leagues above everyone else at LHW as he's proved time and time again.  Only person out there I think can beat Anderson.  I don't see how Anderson could be favourite stepping up a weight class and facing such a dominant champion.  Odd would probably be pretty short on each, but I would expect Jones to be favourite.

So wait, the guy who decisioned Bonner is leagues above the guy who is naturally smaller and destroyed everyone he fought at lhw Phone Post
No, you've got me wrong, I was not including Anderson in that as I would refer to him as a middleweight. Imo AS in GOAT I don't give a shit what people say about level of competition. He can only beat what's put in front of him and he does every time. So called super fights don't settle a debate, the advantage of size is always slightly in someone's favour... That's why we have weight classes. Phone Post

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