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1/10/13 12:19 AM
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I'm so so disappointed in these guys, what a horrible black eye to Team LI and to the sport. Phone Post
1/10/13 12:32 AM
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antifret -  Oh come on. How about a 6'8" bjj trained accountant lifer who enjoys hurting people who wants to go into solitary as he can't stand being around all the uneducated jail birds versus his roomie a 150 lb Mexican coke dealer gangster whose never fought one on one. Figure gang member gets choked to death. Killer instinct is possessed by a lot more people than hardened criminals is my point. And martial arts skills do factor in when its one on one. Phone Post

Yeah...I got the 6'8 accountant in that fight too...I'm just saying a combination of the size, strength, confidence, killer instinct, don't give a fuckness...all adds up.

And I disagree with you that these so called intellectual trained martial artists have the same fight or flight reflexes as a lifetime street criminal that has been in many real altercations...I do agree that they stand a much better chance an can win more so than if not trained, but they really don't posses the kind of mindset that a street criminal would..when it comes to the thought of being in a very violent situation that they may not walk out alive from, they more likely will choose the flight rather than the fight whereas the scumbag criminal may choose the fight rather than the flight...

It's true my friend...Please don't pump your bookworm intellectual ass up as being as violently minded as a life long street criminal.

Granted initially I think you'd be right. Say an accountant was framed for murder ala Shawshank and he had a bjj purple belt. Yeah the black criminal roommate is gonna intimidate him with his irrationality and violent behavior. I don't doubt that. However sociopaths are everywhere. Some of us are just smart enough not to do stupid shit that gets us thrown in jail. They are accountants, college professors, waiters and librarians. Only difference is a criminal is a dumbass who is short sighted. That's his only advantage, he doesn't care about jail or getting killed over something stupid. Here's a scenario. Say the government offered a $1,000 bounty on gang members and guaranteed immunity and anonymity to the hunters. Do you think you'd live to see tomorrow? You think your cholo tattoos would protect you or intimidate anyone? You think some the librarian telling you to be quiet when you have to go there for detention wouldn't knife you in the throat if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it? Naive to think otherwise. You realize that historically nations have drafted people to fight in wars right? In other words, when Stalin was getting troops to fight the nazis they weren't pro soldiers they were regular ass folks who became deadly killers overnight. Anyone has that in them. Most of us like walking around and not going to jail though so people who don't care like gang members can intimidate us. Obviously in prison gangs and shit come into play.

Why do you keep bringing up color? What's the point in that?

 

Also, if your statements here reflect how you normally process information, you're a terrible academic and at best, a mediocre researcher. Or you work in a field where critical thinking is not required to perform your job.

Not really an academic . Abd in Econ , teach with masters at jc. It's a bit of poetic license the cholo references. Think I said that. You sound like an excellent researcher. Great points you made there. You keep going like that and you'll get into a top ten journal. Phone Post

First of all it is that short sightedness that gives the criminal a huge advantage as he simply does not give a fuck and has nothing to lose. Your intelectual who is aspiring to bigger and better things in life wants no part of troublle and has shunded violence away all his life. He would not be able to know how to react in a raw violent situation like the criminal would. And NO I do not think that a librarian would would slit a convicts throat for $1000. I had a friend who was a librarian and this guy would probably cry thinking aout a poor fly that got swatted.

Look my friend I think what you are talking about may be some rough and tumble intellectuals who are out there. Many of which exist in the UFC. But they are not the norm. You seem not to be of the norm as you seem to be an acedemic type who has been in many street fights and might not be scared to lose what you have going for you. You are rare in within that class of person.

Many acedemics and intellectuals I have trained with in the past are good technicians on the mat and critical thinkers. But just about all of them want no part in real world violence. For the most part they would run from a violent situation if they saw the opening and that is being smart! But these thug criminals think differently, they think in a way as you say short sighted...They would rather kill you and bask in the enjoyment of doing so without thinking of what happens to them in the future. The intellectual is to scared of getting in trouble, loosing his job, family etc...You comprende Cholo?
1/10/13 12:36 AM
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"The fact that if it was legal people would start stabbing every gang member they see. The soldiers also did not become killing machines when drafted and a lot of them were mentally broken by it.

Also the Stanford Experiment was extremely biased and it was the people with the power that turned not the prisoners so it's not really applicable to this."

Not everyone. Just sociopaths, redneck vigilantes , etc. plenty would. Not informed of the details of the Stanford prison experiment . How was it biased? My understanding was the prisoners staged riots. Threw feces and stuff like that. Lots of soldiers refused to kill the enemy I guess according to grossman's research , again like with the bounty on gang members plenty did go from accountant to mass killer overnight. My main point is that anyone (ok plenty of people who aren't jail birds) can commit violent acts given circumstances and there's nothing different about a violent criminal from a sociopath computer programmer (plenty of them around for sure), except the programmer is smart enough to not go to jail over dumb shit. Phone Post
1/10/13 12:41 AM
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antifret -  Oh come on. How about a 6'8" bjj trained accountant lifer who enjoys hurting people who wants to go into solitary as he can't stand being around all the uneducated jail birds versus his roomie a 150 lb Mexican coke dealer gangster whose never fought one on one. Figure gang member gets choked to death. Killer instinct is possessed by a lot more people than hardened criminals is my point. And martial arts skills do factor in when its one on one. Phone Post

Yeah...I got the 6'8 accountant in that fight too...I'm just saying a combination of the size, strength, confidence, killer instinct, don't give a fuckness...all adds up.

And I disagree with you that these so called intellectual trained martial artists have the same fight or flight reflexes as a lifetime street criminal that has been in many real altercations...I do agree that they stand a much better chance an can win more so than if not trained, but they really don't posses the kind of mindset that a street criminal would..when it comes to the thought of being in a very violent situation that they may not walk out alive from, they more likely will choose the flight rather than the fight whereas the scumbag criminal may choose the fight rather than the flight...

It's true my friend...Please don't pump your bookworm intellectual ass up as being as violently minded as a life long street criminal.

Granted initially I think you'd be right. Say an accountant was framed for murder ala Shawshank and he had a bjj purple belt. Yeah the black criminal roommate is gonna intimidate him with his irrationality and violent behavior. I don't doubt that. However sociopaths are everywhere. Some of us are just smart enough not to do stupid shit that gets us thrown in jail. They are accountants, college professors, waiters and librarians. Only difference is a criminal is a dumbass who is short sighted. That's his only advantage, he doesn't care about jail or getting killed over something stupid. Here's a scenario. Say the government offered a $1,000 bounty on gang members and guaranteed immunity and anonymity to the hunters. Do you think you'd live to see tomorrow? You think your cholo tattoos would protect you or intimidate anyone? You think some the librarian telling you to be quiet when you have to go there for detention wouldn't knife you in the throat if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it? Naive to think otherwise. You realize that historically nations have drafted people to fight in wars right? In other words, when Stalin was getting troops to fight the nazis they weren't pro soldiers they were regular ass folks who became deadly killers overnight. Anyone has that in them. Most of us like walking around and not going to jail though so people who don't care like gang members can intimidate us. Obviously in prison gangs and shit come into play.

Why do you keep bringing up color? What's the point in that?

 

Also, if your statements here reflect how you normally process information, you're a terrible academic and at best, a mediocre researcher. Or you work in a field where critical thinking is not required to perform your job.

Not really an academic . Abd in Econ , teach with masters at jc. It's a bit of poetic license the cholo references. Think I said that. You sound like an excellent researcher. Great points you made there. You keep going like that and you'll get into a top ten journal. Phone Post

First of all it is that short sightedness that gives the criminal a huge advantage as he simply does not give a fuck and has nothing to lose. Your intelectual who is aspiring to bigger and better things in life wants no part of troublle and has shunded violence away all his life. He would not be able to know how to react in a raw violent situation like the criminal would. And NO I do not think that a librarian would would slit a convicts throat for $1000. I had a friend who was a librarian and this guy would probably cry thinking aout a poor fly that got swatted.

Look my friend I think what you are talking about may be some rough and tumble intellectuals who are out there. Many of which exist in the UFC. But they are not the norm. You seem not to be of the norm as you seem to be an acedemic type who has been in many street fights and might not be scared to lose what you have going for you. You are rare in within that class of person.

Many acedemics and intellectuals I have trained with in the past are good technicians on the mat and critical thinkers. But just about all of them want no part in real world violence. For the most part they would run from a violent situation if they saw the opening and that is being smart! But these thug criminals think differently, they think in a way as you say short sighted...They would rather kill you and bask in the enjoyment of doing so without thinking of what happens to them in the future. The intellectual is to scared of getting in trouble, loosing his job, family etc...You comprende Cholo?
I think we're pretty much in agreement. I have poor impulse control and anger. Like a lot of jailbirds. I am not scared of jail and would enjoy it on some level but have family that depend on me and a lot of other shit I'd like to do besides sitting in a cage. So I try to back down/avoid confrontations. Guess you're right though. Out of say 200 Facebook friends I have probably 3 I could picture going on a cholo killing spree if given the chance... Phone Post
1/10/13 12:42 AM
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antifret -  Oh come on. How about a 6'8" bjj trained accountant lifer who enjoys hurting people who wants to go into solitary as he can't stand being around all the uneducated jail birds versus his roomie a 150 lb Mexican coke dealer gangster whose never fought one on one. Figure gang member gets choked to death. Killer instinct is possessed by a lot more people than hardened criminals is my point. And martial arts skills do factor in when its one on one. Phone Post

Yeah...I got the 6'8 accountant in that fight too...I'm just saying a combination of the size, strength, confidence, killer instinct, don't give a fuckness...all adds up.

And I disagree with you that these so called intellectual trained martial artists have the same fight or flight reflexes as a lifetime street criminal that has been in many real altercations...I do agree that they stand a much better chance an can win more so than if not trained, but they really don't posses the kind of mindset that a street criminal would..when it comes to the thought of being in a very violent situation that they may not walk out alive from, they more likely will choose the flight rather than the fight whereas the scumbag criminal may choose the fight rather than the flight...

It's true my friend...Please don't pump your bookworm intellectual ass up as being as violently minded as a life long street criminal.

Granted initially I think you'd be right. Say an accountant was framed for murder ala Shawshank and he had a bjj purple belt. Yeah the black criminal roommate is gonna intimidate him with his irrationality and violent behavior. I don't doubt that. However sociopaths are everywhere. Some of us are just smart enough not to do stupid shit that gets us thrown in jail. They are accountants, college professors, waiters and librarians. Only difference is a criminal is a dumbass who is short sighted. That's his only advantage, he doesn't care about jail or getting killed over something stupid. Here's a scenario. Say the government offered a $1,000 bounty on gang members and guaranteed immunity and anonymity to the hunters. Do you think you'd live to see tomorrow? You think your cholo tattoos would protect you or intimidate anyone? You think some the librarian telling you to be quiet when you have to go there for detention wouldn't knife you in the throat if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it? Naive to think otherwise. You realize that historically nations have drafted people to fight in wars right? In other words, when Stalin was getting troops to fight the nazis they weren't pro soldiers they were regular ass folks who became deadly killers overnight. Anyone has that in them. Most of us like walking around and not going to jail though so people who don't care like gang members can intimidate us. Obviously in prison gangs and shit come into play.

Why do you keep bringing up color? What's the point in that?

 

Also, if your statements here reflect how you normally process information, you're a terrible academic and at best, a mediocre researcher. Or you work in a field where critical thinking is not required to perform your job.


uneducated minorities don't read books bro...they don't know that librarians and accountants actually run shit in prison.
1/10/13 12:45 AM
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antifret -  "The fact that if it was legal people would start stabbing every gang member they see. The soldiers also did not become killing machines when drafted and a lot of them were mentally broken by it.

Also the Stanford Experiment was extremely biased and it was the people with the power that turned not the prisoners so it's not really applicable to this."

Not everyone. Just sociopaths, redneck vigilantes , etc. plenty would. Not informed of the details of the Stanford prison experiment . How was it biased? My understanding was the prisoners staged riots. Threw feces and stuff like that. Lots of soldiers refused to kill the enemy I guess according to grossman's research , again like with the bounty on gang members plenty did go from accountant to mass killer overnight. My main point is that anyone (ok plenty of people who aren't jail birds) can commit violent acts given circumstances and there's nothing different about a violent criminal from a sociopath computer programmer (plenty of them around for sure), except the programmer is smart enough to not go to jail over dumb shit. Phone Post

So hardly anyone then? You're greatly overestimating the amount of "sociopaths" and vigilante rednecks, even if it was legal there would be basically no one that would do it, if you don't understand what it takes to take another persons life then I guess this is pointless. There would be some people that could be molded into killers but that's it they have to be molded to be like that they were made to not see the enemy as people so they would have less qualms about killing them.

I can't remember where I read about it but there's a little piece about it on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Criticism

Sure people can be pushed to commit violent acts but more often than not the average person will do everything in their power to avoid violence. No there aren't plenty of violent sociopathic computer programmers around and even if there was that doesn't mean they are capable of real physical violence.
1/10/13 12:52 AM
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One in 25 are sociopaths according to the google search I just did. The intersection of those with violent people who have enough intelligence and impulse control to not already be in jail. Guessing 1 in a 100 ish. That's still a fuck ton of people. Phone Post
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1/10/13 1:01 AM
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antifret -  One in 25 are sociopaths according to the google search I just did. The intersection of those with violent people who have enough intelligence and impulse control to not already be in jail. Guessing 1 in a 100 ish. That's still a fuck ton of people. Phone Post

Apparently it's more like 1 out of 100 people are sociopaths according to a survey of 10,000 people and even if that's true the chances of those people being violent is even less.
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antifret -  One in 25 are sociopaths according to the google search I just did. The intersection of those with violent people who have enough intelligence and impulse control to not already be in jail. Guessing 1 in a 100 ish. That's still a fuck ton of people. Phone Post

Apparently it's more like 1 out of 100 people are sociopaths according to a survey of 10,000 people and even if that's true the chances of those people being violent is even less.

1% of Americans apparently if you believe in all that stuff.
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LOL Maldonado has lost 32 "Likes" today.

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That's bad press for L.I Phone Post
1/10/13 3:54 AM
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I've seen Maldonado at BJJ tournaments, last one was in August when he submitted my teammate lol. This is just sad though, and he's pretty good at BJJ too.
1/10/13 4:17 AM
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First off these fuckers wont be in general population they will put them with the rest of the rapists. Phone Post
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i BJJ brown belt isnt getting raped in jail... Unless he's facing a gang, the bjj brown belt is the one doing the raping.

 


This isn't a 8 minute gi match bro. Think 1 on 10 w/ shanks, gouging, etc


It doesn't even need to be 10-1.

BJJ isn't magic. Both Maldonado and Schultz are small and average in size. A larger male >200lbs and athletic will give them plenty of trouble if he's out for blood..... 2 average built guys, with a history of violence, will be able to cause some serious harm if given the time.

Both guys are in for tough times, and if police aren't misrepresenting the case, it's all deserved.
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i BJJ brown belt isnt getting raped in jail... Unless he's facing a gang, the bjj brown belt is the one doing the raping.

 


This isn't a 8 minute gi match bro. Think 1 on 10 w/ shanks, gouging, etc

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fat referee do you even trane? You sound like someone who listens to rap music and watches too many movies. A bjj blue belt is gonna get through prison unscathed no matter what he did. A purple is gonna eat those dimbulb criminals in jail for lunch. The only advantage a "hardened" criminal has over a non-criminal is the criminal has nothing to lose. I'm a professor and researcher. Give me an average gang member and i'll take his lunch money if i'm not going to jail for messing him up. What makes someone a "hardened" criminal besides the fact that they're an idiot who does dumbass shit that gets you thrown in jail? You act like these guys go to some sort of special ops training or something. An accountant with a 2 striped white belt could take out most cholos.

This is complete and utter bullshit, with all due respect.

And yes I train (BJJ purple belt here). I've also been in altercations with violent individuals.

Violence is not an MMA fight or a BJJ match. Just because you have a blue belt does not mean you will survive 3 full grown men who choose to violently assault you.

Note, I am by no means implying these guys will get "raped" in prison. That stuff certainly doesn't happen where I'm from (Singapore, though they do give you the cane, yay for corporal punishment). But if they were to encounter a group of individuals who decided to attack them, their high level brown and purple belts won't save them.

I'll say it again, BJJ is not magic.
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LOL at people who think any belt in BJJ (also a rapist) will save you from being shanked or severely beaten by a baying mob in prison, get real, even your beloved Gracie's wouldn't stand much chance Phone Post
1/10/13 6:22 AM
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let's not try and turn this in to an indictment of their instructors or schools...that's just dumb.

might as well blame their mommas.

 


what's "just dumb" is ignoring the centuries old tradition of teaching moral instruction/a code of ethical behavior to those that you are teaching lethal fighting technique to. Maybe if you focus some time on this in the classroom it will weed out those who are too far gone to change, and influence those on the fence.

But it's ok, as that would take time away from IBJJF competition training, oh well if a few gang rapists slip through the cracks.

Lloyd Irvin had these guys under his wing and tutelage for years. Take some responsibility.
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That's bad press for L.I Phone Post



That's an understatement...

















...6 months and LI will have a product on how to combat bad press for your school.
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The statement below is way off base. Lloyd Irvin like him or not is not known for this kind of stuff and I am certain if he could he and his school would handle this better then law enforcement can.

"Lloyd Irvin had these guys under his wing and tutelage for years. Take some responsibility."

Do not blame the school feel in your heart for the young lady and pray for a terrible death for the other two.
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Superlurk - The statement below is way off base. Lloyd Irvin like him or not is not known for this kind of stuff and I am certain if he could he and his school would handle this better then law enforcement can.

"Lloyd Irvin had these guys under his wing and tutelage for years. Take some responsibility."

Do not blame the school feel in your heart for the young lady and pray for a terrible death for the other two.

"I am certain if he could he and his school would handle this better then law enforcement can."

...please put that "medicinal" down, and let the justice system do its job...this isn't some cheesy martial arts B-movie starring Billy Blanks. Gotta think with that many students, 1 or 2 bad apples will slip through, even if they had the most stringent standards (those who have the potential to commit great harm can appear very normal). Yes, hopefully this woman can pick up the pieces and go on.
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TowerMonkey -  I love how I busted out some fat nasty fake marine and linked his Facebook and the whole thread got deleted but I guess it's cool if it's teh raperape Phone Post

Which do you consider more serious - someone who fakes being a marine or someone raping a woman? 

What does it matter? I wasn't arguing that.

My point was if they're gonna remove an entire thread for a FB link because they don't want people getting harassed through this website then they should do the same thing for these two guys who haven't been convicted of anything yet.

Not even really a big deal, I was just sayin. But......









THE VOTE DOWN I GOT IS A BIG DEAL THOUGH BECAUSE I TAKE MY INTERNETS FUCKING SERIOUS!!!!!! Phone Post

Voted down. The thread topic is the rape of a young girl by two guys she likely trusted, and you're whining about a post being deleted...

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