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1/12/13 5:13 PM
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"Yes UFC made good by renegotiating but they had zero obligation to do so."

Similarly, they have zero obligation to give a fighter a better contract once his old one expires. Their incentive in both cases is to get and keep quality, happy fighters on their roster. 

What do the contracts say about how long a fighter has to sit out before signing with another org? Like if a guy has a deal for 6 fights and 2 years, let's say he fights 3 times in the first year and then is fed up with his pay and wants to fight somewhere else because the UFC won't renegotiate. Does he just have to wait until the 2 years or up before he can sign elsewhere? Or is there an additional period after that?

1/12/13 5:16 PM
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They don't need to say how much they are contractually paid. Isn't half the issue people have the non-contractual "discretionary bonuses"? Those aren't in the contract. If a fighter says he made $50k for a fight including locker room bonuses, how is that disclosing the terms of the contract? GSP said he makes $4-5 million per fight, that's not really disclosing contract terms. We have no idea how much of that is discretionary bonuses, how much is PPV cut, etc.

Were Roop and Volkmann in breach of contract when they said how much they were paid for several fights, including show, win, bonus, and discretionary bonus?


fighters are prohibited from disclosing any information relating to the terms....compensation is a term...so yes, people that talk about their pay are technically breaching...whats funny is that the confidentiality provision doesnt even have a standard exception for information that is already publicly known...so even though show/win money is publicly known by virtue of athletic commission rules, the fighter isnt supposed to talk about it...

1/12/13 5:19 PM
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"Yes UFC made good by renegotiating but they had zero obligation to do so."

Similarly, they have zero obligation to give a fighter a better contract once his old one expires. Their incentive in both cases is to get and keep quality, happy fighters on their roster. 

What do the contracts say about how long a fighter has to sit out before signing with another org? Like if a guy has a deal for 6 fights and 2 years, let's say he fights 3 times in the first year and then is fed up with his pay and wants to fight somewhere else because the UFC won't renegotiate. Does he just have to wait until the 2 years or up before he can sign elsewhere? Or is there an additional period after that?


zero obligation but much more incentive..if they have a champ that has fought the last fight of his extended term, then you bet your ass they have a very good incentive to gicve the fighter a new contract and on richer terms than if the champ was still bound to fight 5x more...

for alvarez's contract he is bound to stay with the ufc for the earlier of 40 months after his first fight or 8 fights...plus ufc has right to match for 1 year after that..so really, if you wanted to sit out a contract like that it would take you like 4 years if you are early on

1/12/13 5:21 PM
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If a fighter's contract says $30k to show, $30k to win, but in an interview he says he made $140k for his last fight, how is that disclosing terms of his contract? 

1/12/13 5:23 PM
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I'm going to withdraw from the debate because honestly I barely remember the topic. I was apparently wrong on the NDA although many fighters have said how much they make, sometimes in explicit detail of the breakdown.

1/12/13 5:24 PM
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1/12/13 5:24 PM
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If a fighter's contract says $30k to show, $30k to win, but in an interview he says he made $140k for his last fight, how is that disclosing terms of his contract? 


fighters arent prohibited from disclosing the terms, they are prohibited from disclosing "any information with respect to the terms and provisions" of the agreement, which is broader than just the terms....by talking about his aggregate pay, he is implicitly giving information with respect to the terms of his contract...now the reality is that zuffa isnt going to sue or cut a fighter for this, but technically you would have a good argument the fighter is in breach

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