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1/14/13 5:31 PM
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Dirk Bevlin -  My question is why does anyone guage distance with their fingers out anyway?

What good does it do except hopefully "accidentally" poke your opponent in the eye?

If it's not illegal, it should be. Phone Post

experienced strikers frequently do it; the extra 2 - 4 inches of distance-gauging with fingers as opposed to closed fist can be a big difference. Consider that a proper slip is meant to evade a strike by millimeters not by miles. Small distances can make a difference to the experienced user;

and with open fingers the hand is also more articulate if you need to transition into a parry, underhook etc. Or at least, feels more articulate.

Dion was clearly gauging with the left and looking to land heavy with the right; he wasnt looking to use the left in an aggressive way; it was his antennae
1/14/13 7:09 PM
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I don't get it. If your intention is to gauge the distance you'll need to close in order to connect with a closed fist, why not gauge the distance with a closed fist. Boxers and kick-boxers seem to gauge distance just fine without stretching out their fingers.

So many fucking eye pokes, every fucking card one or more guys gets poked in the eye. I'm sick of it. I'd really like to see a few things added to the rules, including outstretched fingers. Phone Post
1/14/13 7:13 PM
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Open hands while striking should not by any means be illegal. Slapping the hands of oncoming punches has been used in many striking martial arts for defense.

However, I think there's a difference between open handed blocking or deflecting as compared to open handed distance gauging. Besides, if using the fingers helps gauge that distance by millimeters, it isn't going to matter throwing the next strike when your fist is closed and those precious millimeters no longer matter.

Regardless, just like when we get pulled over for a ticket, it's the official's call and any uproar doesn't usually change anything. How many times have we seen poked eyes? It just doesn't add up in the long run.

Let the ref do his job.
1/14/13 7:14 PM
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Dirk Bevlin -  I don't get it. If your intention is to gauge the distance you'll need to close in order to connect with a closed fist, why not gauge the distance with a closed fist. Boxers and kick-boxers seem to gauge distance just fine without stretching out their fingers.

So many fucking eye pokes, every fucking card one or more guys gets poked in the eye. I'm sick of it. I'd really like to see a few things added to the rules, including outstretched fingers. Phone Post

Thank you, that's pretty much what I was thinking but you got it first.
1/14/13 7:14 PM
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BJM is a legend in this sport. Don't understand the hate.
1/14/13 7:55 PM
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this.

1/14/13 8:01 PM
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The only thing I can think keeping the fingers extended is for, is to make your opponent flinch from wanting to avoid being poked in the eye by accident or otherwise. It probably affects how the other fighter uses head movement and strikes as he doesn't want his eyes to end up full of fingers. 

However the use of it is essentially cheap and trying to set yourself up for a built in 'accidental' poke excuse if you do poke the eye (which I think is what Kos in particular does much less gage distance) and I think Big Joh n has figured this out and is going to prevent it going forward. I like it and wish more refs would do it. 

 

Extending the hand like that is tantamount to pretending to gage distance with the intention of poking the eye or affecting a fighter's composure without overtly doing a poking motion.

1/14/13 8:11 PM
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Are you kidding me? One of the nicest most approachable guys you'll ever meet. This thread is full of idiots. Phone Post
Exactly. I've been around him and talked with him on several occasions. He has been nothing but respectful and polite to fighters and the rest of the public Phone Post
1/14/13 8:29 PM
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Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes. 


This, he's just trying to prevent eye pokes.

I understand that but if your not throwing strikes why the fuck would you be required to close your fist? Phone Post

eye pokes.
I understand preventing eye pokes and I must of missed the "pawing" that lead to the warning. But my point is I've seen guys do the pawing of sorts to gauge range and distance with no warning (I.e. Diaz brothers), so is it just a rule that is rarely called out?

I understand this could of been discussed prefight in the locker room as well. Phone Post
1/14/13 8:46 PM
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ChaosOverkill - 

The only thing I can think keeping the fingers extended is for, is to make your opponent flinch from wanting to avoid being poked in the eye by accident or otherwise. It probably affects how the other fighter uses head movement and strikes as he doesn't want his eyes to end up full of fingers. 

However the use of it is essentially cheap and trying to set yourself up for a built in 'accidental' poke excuse if you do poke the eye (which I think is what Kos in particular does much less gage distance) and I think Big Joh n has figured this out and is going to prevent it going forward. I like it and wish more refs would do it. 

 

Extending the hand like that is tantamount to pretending to gage distance with the intention of poking the eye or affecting a fighter's composure without overtly doing a poking motion.


Yeah, all this.
1/14/13 10:33 PM
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Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes. 

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1/26/13 8:36 PM
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Big John got on to Lamas for open finger range gauging.

Sounds like Rogan agrees, said something like "that's something we really need to do something about."

It looked like Koch took a little bit of a poke, he rubbed at his right eye for a second but shook it off.


1/26/13 8:58 PM
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Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes. 


This, he's just trying to prevent eye pokes.

I understand that but if your not throwing strikes why the fuck would you be required to close your fist? Phone Post

eye pokes.
I understand preventing eye pokes and I must of missed the "pawing" that lead to the warning. But my point is I've seen guys do the pawing of sorts to gauge range and distance with no warning (I.e. Diaz brothers), so is it just a rule that is rarely called out?

I understand this could of been discussed prefight in the locker room as well. Phone Post

they don't have to "paw" with their fists open. First must be closed whenever the arms are extended.
1/26/13 9:00 PM
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John knows Mma better than most fighters let alone most fans. He's reffed so many big fights its easy to pick out mistakes. Best in the business IMHO Phone Post
1/26/13 10:59 PM
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Jerry Bohlander - John knows Mma better than most fighters let alone most fans. He's reffed so many big fights its easy to pick out mistakes. Best in the business IMHO Phone Post
Exactly. Great to see you on here Jerry. Phone Post
1/26/13 11:00 PM
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1/27/13 12:14 AM
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1/27/13 12:45 AM
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1/27/13 1:03 AM
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Dont punch with fingers. End of story Phone Post
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My beef is that he doesn't say "Let's get it on" loud and forcefully any more.
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Dirk Bevlin - 
Big John got on to Lamas for open finger range gauging.

Sounds like Rogan agrees, said something like "that's something we really need to do something about."

It looked like Koch took a little bit of a poke, he rubbed at his right eye for a second but shook it off.



And Big John did it PRIOR to having a finger-poke and an early stoppage due to flagrant foul and subsequent injury. He properly warned the fighter that was perilously close to committing a foul.
1/27/13 12:27 PM
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Well, I think he was concerned about eye pokes. 


This, he's just trying to prevent eye pokes.

I understand that but if your not throwing strikes why the fuck would you be required to close your fist? Phone Post

eye pokes.
I understand preventing eye pokes and I must of missed the "pawing" that lead to the warning. But my point is I've seen guys do the pawing of sorts to gauge range and distance with no warning (I.e. Diaz brothers), so is it just a rule that is rarely called out?

I understand this could of been discussed prefight in the locker room as well. Phone Post

they don't have to "paw" with their fists open. First must be closed whenever the arms are extended.
Good to know. I've seen so many fighters do this for years without repercussions. Glad to start seeing them come down on this. Phone Post
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This thread is full of morons. You faggots make me ashamed to be a part of this forum. BJM literally wrote the rules for MMA. Get a fucking clue. Phone Post
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Tom O'BJPenn=Legend - This thread is full of morons. You faggots make me ashamed to be a part of this forum. BJM literally wrote the rules for MMA. Get a fucking clue. Phone Post
He literally wrote them. So he sat down with a pen and paper and decided himself what should be allowed to go on. The athletic commission and the ufc had no say in the subject. Not even the other refs helped it was just him deciding.

I think your mom fell down a flight of stairs while pregnant man Phone Post

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