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1/13/13 7:44 PM
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ChrissyP
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Was wondering if anyone has ever competed KO karate with face punches? I'm very interested is but trying to find some basic information:

What styles/orgnizations do this?

Is it more similar to fighting Kyokushin/muay thai/ mma? Just wondering what i'd be getting myself into competing under these rules.
1/14/13 10:31 AM
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Check out Kudo Daido Juku. Kyokushin-kan has shinken shobu rules(face punches). Some smaller Knockdown orgs have face punching as well but not many.
1/15/13 12:34 PM
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Shotokan allows you to punch (controlled) to the face.

* Sorry, you were looking for KO/Full contact.

1/15/13 4:39 PM
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Some French event you might like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfm-GtBBoZg
1/16/13 4:09 AM
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khd29 - Shotokan allows you to punch (controlled) to the face.

* Sorry, you were looking for KO/Full contact.


Its funny that you mention shotokan... my martial arts history is, i've train mostly Muay Thai...and do to travel and cost, i cannnot however afford to train in it...

There is a very good shotokan school in my area, which I can learn for very cheap to free. They spar using full range of targets, but not full force...

my idea was, to learn/cross train the shotokan techniques, and kinda "kyokushin" it...train shotokan hard, like I would my muay thai and learn boxing.

Idk your martial arts history, but do you have an opinion on this approch/training?in my mind, i'm kidna gonna self train myself in a "dutch style kickboxing"
I honestly do not know much about kyokushin, other then that shotokan was one of the base arts for it, and they train and fight very hard, like any full contact fighter/kickboxer.

My question is this: Other then the fighting stance/style, and how one trains for full contact...are the basic techniques the same? what I learn the same stuff for the most part, just be trained to use it diffrently?
1/16/13 6:13 AM
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The kyokushin faction known as kyokushin-kan, arrange a tournament format known as shinken shobu (other styles use the same name for other things). It is kyokushin rules but with small/soft gloves, and allowing face punches, (and I think elbows to the face aswell, but I have not seen it done) and throws and clinch.

The idea behind the rules is to recreate the sparring that was done in kyokushin before the knockdown rules (bare fists, but fists and elbows must hit below the neck. Head attacks are restricted to kicks and knees) now that a reasonably safe alternative to bulky boxing gloves exist.

The tournament format is still small compared to trad kyokushin knockdown rules (even in kyokushin-kan), but it is slowly growing (especially in east europe).

The trouble is that so far the established high ranking knockdown fighters have shown a big lack of interest in the rules and continue to focus on knockdown rules, and the shinken shobu fighters are either  lesser skilled, coming in from more of a kickboxer background or are coming up from scratch with a long way to go. No known names or "star quality" =little interest among audience. And to be honest, still not ready to be called world level in skill -but things will improve.

Here we have full shinken shobu in the recent kyokushin-kan world tournament

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1/16/13 6:19 AM
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Sajite - Some French event you might like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfm-GtBBoZg

1/16/13 6:20 AM
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There is also japanese pro karatedo

1/16/13 6:41 AM
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Or why not glove karate?

Looking a lot like kickboxing, but is actually kyokushin rules modified to wearing boxing gloves.

 

As done in the shin-karate organization (shin-karate , or "new"-karate, is both a separate style -kyokushin offshoot- and a sport federation for anyone wanting to compete with glove karate rules, no matter what style they do)

 

 

And Shidokan karate (kyokushin offshoot).

 

1/16/13 12:38 PM
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ChrissyP - 
khd29 - Shotokan allows you to punch (controlled) to the face.

* Sorry, you were looking for KO/Full contact.


Its funny that you mention shotokan... my martial arts history is, i've train mostly Muay Thai...and do to travel and cost, i cannnot however afford to train in it...

There is a very good shotokan school in my area, which I can learn for very cheap to free. They spar using full range of targets, but not full force...

my idea was, to learn/cross train the shotokan techniques, and kinda "kyokushin" it...train shotokan hard, like I would my muay thai and learn boxing.

Idk your martial arts history, but do you have an opinion on this approch/training?in my mind, i'm kidna gonna self train myself in a "dutch style kickboxing"
I honestly do not know much about kyokushin, other then that shotokan was one of the base arts for it, and they train and fight very hard, like any full contact fighter/kickboxer.

My question is this: Other then the fighting stance/style, and how one trains for full contact...are the basic techniques the same? what I learn the same stuff for the most part, just be trained to use it diffrently?

I'm more a judoka. My exposure to Shotokan (JKA) was short - 6 months. I was with Kyokushin (IKO1) and World Oyama Karate (WOK) - which is baiscally KK, together for 4 yrs. Been a while since I've trained, though.

The differences are very slight but techniques are the same. I found the difference more obvious in the Katas. The basic katas of KK are the same in Shotokan.

I found shotokan very linear and hard and Kyokushin with more circular movements and hard. The stances in Shotokan I found to be deeper. The chamber of the fist is lower in Shotokan, too.

1/16/13 12:51 PM
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Oh, get used to kicking with the ball of your foot for- especially with the roundhouse kick (mawashi geri).

I read somewhere the mawashi geri was a variation of mae geri (front or front snap kick).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MgBFVGjiE
1/25/13 12:16 AM
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Kolsyrade - 
Sajite - Some French event you might like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfm-GtBBoZg


I want to fight in this so so so bad. Why cant they run a event in the US ?
2/5/13 11:01 AM
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Does anyone know of any shinken shobu/ or knockdown w/face punch tournaments here in the US?!?!?
2/5/13 3:59 PM
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There are no shinken shobu rules Knockdown in the US just MMA or Kickboxing. Some Shidokan dojo's probably do in house smoker matches. There is a Kudo Daido Juku tournament in November which will be in Detroit. check out www.detroitkudo.com
2/17/13 10:18 PM
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Check out Kudo - http://www.ku-do.com/eng/kudo/index.html

We will be hosting a seminar on Kudo this April

http://www.fusionmma.com/kudo_seminar_2013/
https://www.facebook.com/events/340872306017954/

Thanks,
Z
3/26/13 4:36 PM
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Pro karate-Do, latest event

http://efight.jp/result-20130321_13864

Teaser for the event held in Osaka 3/17 2013

 

No vid from the completed event yet.

Oh, and in addition to punches without gloves to the head, elbows and headbutts to the face are allowed too.

3/26/13 5:30 PM
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zeerebel - Check out Kudo - http://www.ku-do.com/eng/kudo/index.html

We will be hosting a seminar on Kudo this April

http://www.fusionmma.com/kudo_seminar_2013/
https://www.facebook.com/events/340872306017954/

Thanks,
Z

 

Kudo (Daido juku) is nice. Kyokushin karate +judo mix.

 

Officially, they no longer call themselves "karate" in Japan -officially being a new art.

However most daido juku dojo outside of japan still regard themselves, and call themselves, karate.

 

 

4/2/13 3:06 AM
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Hi All,
I will be giving out a book on grappling "Training for Competition: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Submission Grappling" a $25 value

Hope to see you there.
Thanks,
z
http://www.fusionmma.com/kudo_seminar_2013/
4/14/13 6:25 AM
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7/16/13 11:35 PM
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this is UKADO (unified karate do). It is growing in eastern europe, apparently.

full contact headpunches allowed, wearing fairly big gloves. throws, takedowns and what appears to be limited grapping is also allowed.

 

7/16/13 11:41 PM
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one of the many small karate  tournament format s in japan

 

same helmets as daido juku, but without the grappling on the ground..

7/17/13 12:06 PM
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Kolsyrade - 

Or why not glove karate?

Looking a lot like kickboxing, but is actually kyokushin rules modified to wearing boxing gloves.

 

As done in the shin-karate organization (shin-karate , or "new"-karate, is both a separate style -kyokushin offshoot- and a sport federation for anyone wanting to compete with glove karate rules, no matter what style they do)

 

 

And Shidokan karate (kyokushin offshoot).

 


The K-2 [G-2 now I believe] is great. Some of the Kyokushin guys here in Ireland compete in it.
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since the thread was revived.
Here is a more trad form of full contact with face punches (and where a KO is= win).
Bogu karate. "Bogu" meaning armoured.
It started out before WW2 with kendo armour and got a upswing when kendo armours was cheap due to kendo being temporarily banned after the war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6WPICeaxJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJVXaLkrp2A
Im a mudnamer again, so if some bluenamer could please help out embedding...

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