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1/23/13 8:27 AM
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Dougie
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So the owner of the brand says that Hawn's corner didn't wear his shirts.

As per the agreement for the money.

And that they did not post the entire email.

 

Any truth?

Can we see the entire email?

If Hawn and his cornerman didn't wear the shirts they were suppose to as in the contract, does he have a good reason not to pay?

 

No truth. His email claimed as much, but knowing that Firas Zahabi has an exclusive deal with Headrush (which he has had for some time) and that we weren't acting as an agent for anyone but Rick (as we have no legal right to do so), we couldn't and wouldn't guarantee that the two other corners would wear his shirt and hat. Mark asked if he should send extra shirts and hats and Rick's reply verbatim was "sure."

 

Rick's other cornermen, however, wanted to help Rick promote the brand they thought were supporting their fighter in good faith, so they chose to wear the HTFU shirts provided by the sponsor.

Here is the entire email, including him complaining that Rick (who was rehydrating and had to see the Bellator doctor before he came down from his room to meet said sponsor) was not accomodating enough.

Rick, who the sponsor seemed to forget was fighting for a world title,  gave the guy two of his cageside tickets (one that was meant fro his little brother, so another one had to be purchased to accomodate him). When he saw that Rick's parents had all access passes, he had the nerve to ask Rick's fiancee why they had passes and he only had "two crappy $130 tickets?"

 

Mike, 
 
Can you tell me why one of his corners wasn't wearing a shirt and why none of his corners were wearing the hat?  
 
This was part of the agreement which Rick and his camp did not fulfill.  With regards to everything I have done.  I sent Rick a couple thousand dollars worth of clothes (Fedex overnight cost $200).  I bought I ticket out to support his fight, hotels, rental cars.  I made a shirt which cost me almost a $1000 to make.  I had to shut down a printer to do it and take away resources to fulfill the order.  
 
I arrived in Irvine on Wednesday to his camp.  Shook Rick's hand and that was about it for a relationship.  Rick and his camp advised me to meet up with him later after the weigh in. I waited for a couple hours with my girlfriend, re-arranged plans and never saw Rick come down to say hello.  I had to find him eating in another room with his friends.  In fact, his girlfriend was more accommodating and sincere than Rick.  
 
I will not comment on Rick and his fight.  That is not my place.  But what I will tell you is this:  I took a huge chance with him.  TV exposure was great…but it only holds weight if he wins or puts on a good show.  Neither happened.  At the end of the day…not one sole will run to the HTFU store and buy product because they  saw Rick walk out in my shirt and loose the fight.  I've made it my career and business to know what nets a return on investment for the brand…and this is the number 1 reason why I DO NOT hand out money or product to fighters.  
 
With regards to the check I sent Rick.  At this point, a stop payment has been placed on check which cannot be cashed or deposited now.  
 
Sincerely, 
 
Mark R Gingrich  |  Founder / CEO
H T F U  L L C 
Boutique Clothing Brand Dedicated to the Extreme Athlete Community

 

Actions speak louder than words. The second Rick lost his fight, the guy who was supposed to be supporting Rick, grabbed his girlfriend's hand and booked it out of the arena and proceeded to ignore all calls and text messages from Rick and the FundaFighter rep we sent to the fight specifically to make sure he was included in the experience, which alone should have more than earned Rick his $1500.

Keep in mind also, the shirt he "made for Rick" was actually a generic one he had designed that he is now selling as "The Factory" model. There is no way in hell it cost him $1000 for 5 shirts when he had to change one screen. He also sent about 1/2 of the product Rick was promised.

 


Jeebus Allah, This guy whines more than my 3 year old nieces, wait, they barely whine, so this guy takes the cake. Did he expect Rick to cup his balls and carry them for him too?

I used to have my own screen printing company and I could design and knock off 5 shirts in 15 mins and that includes the cooking. If it's costing him 1000 bucks to make 5 t-shirts then no wonder he has a "business mindset that cannot be taught." Heck, my minimum order requirements was 12 pieces. I can only assume that he is calculating the costs of the items at retail prices and not his manufacturing costs.

His choice to come out to the fights was HIS choice! He paid the money for flight, hotel, rental car blah blah blah. That's not on Rick or his team to cover you for! When I go to the UFC I don't expect Dana to cover me for anything. (Oddly enough though you can find Dana walking and hanging out with the fans) All this aside, you can write these items off to a certain degree anyway as a business expense due to the sponsorship! However, since Mark has yet to pay, Rick and Mike should let the IRS know that an audit is in order if Mark tries to claim it because without the sponsorship payment I am pretty sure it's no longer a business expense but a personal leisure expense.

Having sponsored sports teams myself, albeit they were kids hockey teams, any real sponsor know that a relationship with a team/athlete and sponsor is one built up over time.

I would call this guy a retard, but that's insulting to the intellectually disabled.

1/23/13 8:31 AM
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Stan The Man - Oh man. I saw this thread when I got home after work 4 hours ago, and I just finished reading through the entire story. There were ups and downs, and we are all better people in the end. Except for that HTFU guy, he'll always be a douche.

Stan! You're alive!

1/23/13 9:00 AM
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Is Jeremy still listed on his website....i didn't find the pictures
1/23/13 9:25 AM
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Mike Gingrich trolled everyone. This guy is a genius. Even though he didnt do it on purpose, trolling us that is. Or looking like a genius for that matter, that was a mistake also. But honestly. How many of you heard about his brand before this anyways?

Not many....

Glad to see that was taken care of.
1/23/13 9:52 AM
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Willy Navarro - Mike Gingrich trolled everyone. This guy is a genius. Even though he didnt do it on purpose, trolling us that is. Or looking like a genius for that matter, that was a mistake also. But honestly. How many of you heard about his brand before this anyways?

Not many....

Glad to see that was taken care of.

What a dumb post by a dumb person.
1/23/13 12:13 PM
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looks like he pulled Jeremy's picture/page....lol

 

fucker is going to have nightmares for days..

 

http://www.htfu.com/athletes.html


it great success !

1/23/13 12:16 PM
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moral of the story...enter into written agreements that specifically outiline each party's obligations and rights

1/23/13 12:32 PM
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Don't have time to read the whole thread but what is the name of the company? I want to spread the word to my friends and relatives to never buy a single item from them.
1/23/13 12:46 PM
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this will pop back up next week when the check does not show up

1/23/13 12:50 PM
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UGK4Life - Don't have time to read the whole thread but what is the name of the company? I want to spread the word to my friends and relatives to never buy a single item from them.

www.htfu.com

1/23/13 12:58 PM
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As much as I have to get on all of your asses for the ridiculous things you post... It's good to see you rally for the good of a fighter in need. Phone Post
1/23/13 12:59 PM
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Billy Bunter - Thank goodness Bec Hyatt and her people saw through this "fundafighter" fuck up, so far every controversy related to MMA fighters emanates from this thinly disguised operation. Everyone was presented under the guidance of "fundafighter" Heun's "woe be me" story about Zuffa not paying for his surgery, when in fact they paid for more than he's worth. Carefully and cunningly structured communications release by this "fundafighter" painted the picture accordingly, until push came to shove and it ultimately was revealed that Zuffa had indeed paid more than anyone for any fighter on their roster, beyond. The guidance of "fundafighter" - so called MMA marketing experts, advised him to scream blue murder in the public realm, which he did do. Turned out of course that what he claimed was not true at all. Now we have this 'another' fundafighter' embroiled in dubious activities again under the guidance of this "fundafighter". According the the informations provided by "fundafighter" they negotiated the sponsorship of the company in question, seemingly content with "verbal" agreements. Suddenly it becomes a "miscommunication" when the agreement acknowledgement by both sides is that the corner will wear the garments as provided "sure" says the fighter himself, then the unprofessional "fundafighter" claims impossible after the fact.

Two controversies initiated and under the auspices of "fundafighter" to date. The modus operandi becomes clear, the cry foul and invoke the wrath of the MMA community with incomplete correspondences in order to mislead everyone to bully and force a solution to their incompetence on everyone else.

Thank which ever deity you believe in that the youngster Bec Hyatt and her team were wide awake to steer far and wide and clear of this bottom of the barrel operation "fundafighter".

Be aware.
Sorry you feel this way
Fundafighter is simply a platform, if you don't want to back a fighter no one is forcing you. In fact many ug ers seemed to be willing to back bec on a fundafighter. I think the only thing stopping more fighters from joining are managers who would have difficulty charging their fees for money raised on fundafighter, but if you have any questions about what we do I'd be happy to discuss it, you can email me at info@fundafighter.com Phone Post

info@fundafighter.com

Seems legit. lol. Why not have a personal email address if you are trying to look like a real company? If you are the face, tell us your name. Are you Robert Stein? The registrant of the website? Put yourself out there as any professional would do. Why the need for anonymity? Anytime I'm solicited by or working with someone with an info@ or similar looking email address (with not additional details in the signature), I always assume are going to be scammers. More often than not, I am correct.

I don't know anything about the company. I'm just offering my two cents into the matter.
1/23/13 1:07 PM
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In for the UG justice. And popcorn. Phone Post
1/23/13 1:10 PM
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Fighters Only, web/editorial
^ are you serious? What percentage of companies have "info@..." as an address? We have "contact@fightersonly" or something, are we on hideout as well? info@nike.com is another.. they not a real company?

some really odd paranoias cropping up here
1/23/13 1:19 PM
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Hey Mark Gingrich,

You are a coward for not posting as yourself. A coward.
1/23/13 1:20 PM
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Yeah, agreed on "info@...". You can't be jerking people around re: contact info so you take a generic address for your company that will never change. 

More on topic: Good to see this guy curled up in the fetal position. That's the flipside of casting yourself as a superhuman badass -- when reality slaps you in the face you've got nothing left to hang on to.

1/23/13 1:21 PM
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Why not have a personal email address if you are trying to look like a real company?

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Why not have a personal email address if you are trying to look like a real company?

 

 

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Why not have a personal email address if you are trying to look like a real company?
 

 

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Why not have a personal email address if you are trying to look like a real company?
 

 

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Why not have a personal email address if you are trying to look like a real company?
 

 

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edit nevermind I'm not getting involved.
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Mark Gingrich cell phone number. If you call him, dial *67 because he will call back.
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Did anyone from here talk to him?
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Why not have a personal email address if you are trying to look like a real company?
 

 


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