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1/22/13 11:48 PM
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Willin -  Comparing the Arona slam to the below-the-knee oblique kick is daft. The slam has counters and many ways to even prevent being put in that situation. Not to mention most humans can't execute it effectively due to the brute power required.

The oblique is very difficult to counter in MMA due to the speed of it and because of the weight placed on the front foot to shoot takedowns or sprawl for the recipient. Hyperextending knees and risking injury ain't worth it. Phone Post

It is a ridiculous comparison. That head-butt could have killed Arona, and it wasn't legal according to the rules. Leg kicks are legal.
Now you be trollin. The headbutt was clearly momentum and not intented. Phone Post

It's not that he meant to head-butt him, it's just that the motion of his head directly toward Arona's head forced them to collide unintentionally... Arona's head was just, in the way, or something.

He didn't mean to smash Wanderlei's brains out while he was asleep and helpless, it was momentum, or, it was the Ref's fault.
You need to work on your logician skills. None of this is relevant to Rampage's point, you're just making ad hominem attacks at Rampage. Phone Post

Yeah, it is relevant. JBJ is allowed to use low kicks. And the danger is minor compared to all of the illegal and indefensible shit that Quinton pulls at every single opportunity.

Time for him to f' off to boxing where someone else can listen to his never ending whining and crying.
1/23/13 12:08 AM
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Why is it called the Oblique kick? Obliques are the side of the abs aren't they?
1/23/13 12:13 AM
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Acexnz - Why is it called the Oblique kick? Obliques are the side of the abs aren't they?

1/23/13 12:31 AM
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Acexnz - Why is it called the Oblique kick? Obliques are the side of the abs aren't they?



Because you turn side on to throw it, giving ringside cameramen an awesome shot of you flexing your obliques.

Its also called the 6pack kick.
1/23/13 1:49 AM
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It's a cheap shot bitch move.
1/23/13 1:59 AM
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GriffinQ - Headbutting opponents when you slam them shouldn't get you wins either, but here we are.. Phone Post
This. Phone Post
1/23/13 2:24 AM
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Acexnz - Why is it called the Oblique kick? Obliques are the side of the abs aren't they?



Because you turn side on to throw it, giving ringside cameramen an awesome shot of you flexing your obliques.

Its also called the 6pack kick.
I hope you're not serious Phone Post
1/23/13 2:24 AM
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If its to the knee its a cheap shot. I don't know if getting slammed by anyone is a cheap move.
1/23/13 3:01 AM
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Messing up someone's knee is like elbowing the back of someone's funny bone it's dirty and can cause too much damage or end a career. Having nerve damage sucks Phone Post
1/23/13 11:25 AM
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This is not like the NFL where someone is hitting you in the knee blindsided. The guy is right in front of you. Close the range and he can't do it. Stay out of range and he can't do it.

It is important to be able to slow down powerful wrestlers and clinch fighters when you are neither of those things.

Deal with it, game plan for it. Stop whining.
1/23/13 11:31 AM
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OmaGogo - This is not like the NFL where someone is hitting you in the knee blindsided. The guy is right in front of you. Close the range and he can't do it. Stay out of range and he can't do it.

It is important to be able to slow down powerful wrestlers and clinch fighters when you are neither of those things.

Deal with it, game plan for it. Stop whining.
Close the range and you lose your knee dude. The second you step in he throws it Phone Post
1/23/13 11:33 AM
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I agree with that kick being bullshit. I dont want to see anyone get a career ending injury. Its a sport. I dont know why he singled Jones out though. Condit and many other fighters use it
1/23/13 11:54 AM
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OmaGogo - This is not like the NFL where someone is hitting you in the knee blindsided. The guy is right in front of you. Close the range and he can't do it. Stay out of range and he can't do it.

It is important to be able to slow down powerful wrestlers and clinch fighters when you are neither of those things.

Deal with it, game plan for it. Stop whining.
Close the range and you lose your knee dude. The second you step in he throws it Phone Post

If you sit in front of him mesmerized, yes. If you actually CLOSE THE RANGE, no. By definition, he cannot do it when you close the range.

You need to create angles, use feints, and other techniques. It is a complaint of the lazy.
1/23/13 1:43 PM
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Lol its a kick to the knee in a sport where people get bashed in the head on regular basis.


What next you want leg and arm locks banned?


1/23/13 2:04 PM
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I think Wing Chun and Savate should be banned from the UFC. Too dangerous?
1/23/13 3:29 PM
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"Erickson asked what combative sports disallow this maneuver. It was noted that these kicks are not allowed in kick boxing but that is due to the fact that kicks below the waist are not allowed."

that is news to me.
Is K1 not kickboxing?
1/23/13 3:47 PM
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JLau'sWarmnessSpewingAllOverMyFace - I can't wait for G-lover Tex to serve this chump ass his walking papers.
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1/23/13 4:03 PM
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Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned
Agree Phone Post
1/23/13 9:02 PM
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Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned

In fairness folks have only been complaining since Jones started using it.

Anderson was using it to avoid engaging grapplers ages before Jones started.

1/23/13 9:04 PM
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Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned

In fairness folks have only been complaining since Jones started using it.

Anderson was using it to avoid engaging grapplers ages before Jones started.



TTT for GIF's
1/23/13 9:14 PM
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The kick to the knee is banned under the CSAC. That's what the Commission told us when I used to fight at Tachi Palace. Phone Post
1/24/13 12:34 PM
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True daf Rampage! We need much safer shyts in cage like the Arona slam!

on a side note one day slamming dudes on their heads will be banned.  and it will likely be due to something horrific that happened (probably on national tv).  imagine the worst case scenario on that.  neck bone / spinal cord broken off and visible through the neck.  blood spurting everywhere.  murica, fuck yeah!

 

1/24/13 12:44 PM
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IDOHARM - Fighting should be banned as well, just in case. Phone Post
Boom

















Hahaha Phone Post
1/24/13 12:46 PM
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This thread is a prime example of how weed was made illegal and how the myths were taken by the masses so easily.

No proof its really any more dangerous than any other technique and 90 percent of people talk about it like its an instant career ender.Ive seen it thrown at least a hundred times total in mma without an injury. Unbelievable how idiotic most people are about the sport and how willing they are to ban shit with nothing but a false non researched opinion.

Its actually frightening.DERP KICK LOOK LIKE IT MAKE KNEE GO WRONG WAY.THAT NO GOOD IN FIGHTING SPORT
1/24/13 12:49 PM
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rowil - I'm kind of conflicted about this, one the one hand yeah it's kind of shitty move, on the other hand, I can't really think of a good reason to ban it.

Has anyone ever actually gotten hurt from that? Een the guy in the gif I doubt was injured from that, he doesn't seem to have the majority of his body weight on the left leg and it didn't bend backwards too badly.
The "guy" in the gif???

That's the Dean of Mean, bro...

I mean come on man! Phone Post

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