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4/2/13 10:39 AM
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Combat Sport Fan - dont allow jury questions if you dont want incriminating questions. Stupid process. Juries should nto have the right to ask any questions.

I think the issue actually came up when discussing the prosecutor taking pictures with fans out front and whether or not the jury saw it.
4/2/13 2:26 PM
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Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?
4/2/13 2:28 PM
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Rhymenoceros - Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?

Mistrial denied but juror #5 excused.
4/2/13 2:33 PM
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lol @ the prosecutor getting his panties in a bunch and objecting to almost every question the defense is asking this witness.   

4/2/13 2:37 PM
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DirkRice - 
Rhymenoceros - Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?

Mistrial denied but juror #5 excused.

thats why they give 6 extras
4/2/13 2:37 PM
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DirkRice - 
Rhymenoceros - Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?

Mistrial denied but juror #5 excused.

thats why they give 6 extras
4/2/13 2:41 PM
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You know she has some good pussy!!!! Phone Post 3.0
4/2/13 2:57 PM
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Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

dude, STFU already!!!!!

4/2/13 3:00 PM
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Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

dude, STFU already!!!!!


We've missed you.
4/2/13 3:02 PM
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Ruthless Rye - ^^^

The defense does not have to prove anything. That is up to the state.

It is Jodi's word against Travis, and, he is no longer able to defend himself.
Lol, it's already been proven she killed him. Pretty sure the defense has to prove she did it in self defense Phone Post
4/2/13 3:02 PM
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this expert has perhaps the worst fashion sense of all time.
4/2/13 3:03 PM
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good god... 15 minutes of testimony and already a lunch break????

4/2/13 3:42 PM
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Ruthless Rye - ^^^

The defense does not have to prove anything. That is up to the state.

It is Jodi's word against Travis, and, he is no longer able to defend himself.
Lol, it's already been proven she killed him. Pretty sure the defense has to prove she did it in self defense Phone Post

I am pretty sure you are wrong. Actually, I am 100% sure you are wrong.

The defense does not have to prove shit. All they have to do is raise a reasonable doubt.
4/2/13 3:46 PM
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4/2/13 4:11 PM
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Ruthless Rye - 
norcalbc - 
Ruthless Rye - ^^^

The defense does not have to prove anything. That is up to the state.

It is Jodi's word against Travis, and, he is no longer able to defend himself.
Lol, it's already been proven she killed him. Pretty sure the defense has to prove she did it in self defense Phone Post

I am pretty sure you are wrong. Actually, I am 100% sure you are wrong.

The defense does not have to prove shit. All they have to do is raise a reasonable doubt.

yes but they admitted to the killing and must prove self defense. They are in no way making any attempt at reasonable doubt that she killed travis
4/2/13 4:17 PM
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The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that murder 1 was accomplished.


So really they are striving for premeditation, and the self defense claim is being used as a way to create reasonable doubt that there was premeditation.


BUT

they must prove self defense properly which is generally reasonable force, equivalent to force applied.

the defense also tries to create reasonable doubt on the premeditation claims, gas cans, post killing escape, her cover up can possibly hint at pre meditation.


But what they have given up is any reasonable doubt that jodi arias killed travis.
4/2/13 4:17 PM
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but self defense if proven means not guilty.
4/2/13 4:17 PM
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Brother, I know that they already admitted that Jodi killed him. I have been following this trial from the get go.

The burden of proof is on the State to convince the jury that it was not self defense.

Kirk and Jennifer are trying to lay ground work that it was self defense. All it takes is one juror to believe it was possible.

IMO, as I have stated NUMEROUS times in this very thread, is that it was not self defense.
4/2/13 5:18 PM
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Ruthless Rye - Brother, I know that they already admitted that Jodi killed him. I have been following this trial from the get go.

The burden of proof is on the State to convince the jury that it was not self defense.

Kirk and Jennifer are trying to lay ground work that it was self defense. All it takes is one juror to believe it was possible.

IMO, as I have stated NUMEROUS times in this very thread, is that it was not self defense.

Its kind of crazy really.

In most common law jurisdictions, once the elements of the crime have been proved, the burden is on the defense to show on a preponderance of the evidence that it was self defense. If she was being tried in one of those states, she'd be done 99.999%.

But not in Arizona.
4/2/13 5:27 PM
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Ruthless Rye - Brother, I know that they already admitted that Jodi killed him. I have been following this trial from the get go.

The burden of proof is on the State to convince the jury that it was not self defense.

Kirk and Jennifer are trying to lay ground work that it was self defense. All it takes is one juror to believe it was possible.

IMO, as I have stated NUMEROUS times in this very thread, is that it was not self defense.

Its kind of crazy really.

In most common law jurisdictions, once the elements of the crime have been proved, the burden is on the defense to show on a preponderance of the evidence that it was self defense. If she was being tried in one of those states, she'd be done 99.999%.

But not in Arizona.

you are right, there is no burden shift in arizona.


what a derp state.


13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention; applicability

A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904 or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.

B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.

C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if the person is acting to prevent what the person reasonably believes is the imminent or actual commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.

D. This section includes the use or threatened use of physical force or deadly physical force in a person's home, residence, place of business, land the person owns or leases, conveyance of any kind, or any other place in this state where a person has a right to be.
4/2/13 5:35 PM
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How the fuck do these retarded states presume self defense.


Its not like preponderance of the evidence is that hard to overcome.

this crap just allows morons like jodi arias to mutilate a man and say self defense prove it isnt...which there is plenty of evidence to do.


Man. i hate arizona
4/2/13 5:37 PM
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I think at the end of the day regarding this trial and this issue, is that we answer the all important question: where is the uncensored version of that pic?
4/2/13 5:57 PM
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Ruthless Rye - Brother, I know that they already admitted that Jodi killed him. I have been following this trial from the get go.

The burden of proof is on the State to convince the jury that it was not self defense.

Kirk and Jennifer are trying to lay ground work that it was self defense. All it takes is one juror to believe it was possible.

IMO, as I have stated NUMEROUS times in this very thread, is that it was not self defense.

Its kind of crazy really.

In most common law jurisdictions, once the elements of the crime have been proved, the burden is on the defense to show on a preponderance of the evidence that it was self defense. If she was being tried in one of those states, she'd be done 99.999%.

But not in Arizona.

"But not in Arizona".

Not in Massachusetts, either. The prosecution must disprove (self defense) beyond a reasonable doubt if the defendant and defense has shown that to be the case.


I am trying to find other states.

I know that there are about 24 States that have some very liberal views on self defense.
4/2/13 6:20 PM
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4/2/13 6:22 PM
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"Objection!  The defendant's attorney is trying to present a defense your honor!  Are they allowed to do that?"  --  Martinez


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